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Thought your story would end with the two of you's banging them both!! were they hot?


One of my fave players in the 80's was Miroslav "The Big Cat" Mecir, he moved so smooth around the court with ease, a shame he didn't win a GS.
 

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http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2018/02/50-greatest-players-open-era-m-no-4-pete-sampras/72400/

It's always fun to debate the rankings of players.

I was too young to fully appreciate Borg, Connors and McEnroe. I thought Pete Sampras was overrated. His game was strictly serve and volley. Very one dimensional although really great at that one dimension. I think the previous Big 3 and the current Big 3 would have bested him in most (not all) matches.
I agree re:Sampras. I think he played in a weak era.

Loved Borg. Despised Connors until McEnroe came along to show me new levels of loathing. I will say about Connors that I don't think I saw an athlete, in any sport, that was more intense and determined than he. Maybe some matched him, but nobody has ever tried harder. Even at age 39.

https://youtu.be/PlgJtyUIhqM?t=81
 

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Tennis was my favorite sport.

One time I was playing a match against my friend Neil.
He hit a shot and rushed the net.
I fired the ball back and it was a rocket.
The ball hit Neil in his privates.
He dropped like a rock and was writhing on the ground.
It so happened there were two young women in the next court.
One of the women ran over to tend to Neil.
After Neil recovered we invited the women over to
our court and we played a bit of mixed doubles.
Neil went on to sire two kids so no permanent damage.

After Borg, Connors and McEnroe and before the current Big 3, there were Agassi and Sampras. I think Agassi had the better all round game and won all 4 Slams in his career.

Tennis was my favorite sport as well and your story (can relate as I had an opponent hit me there as well) set me to recalling one of my own.

I was playing with my best friend, Lloyd. We were both fairly skilled A club players. This particular time we were playing on a public court with a couple of young rogues on the adjacent court. They seemed to be beginners as they were spraying the ball all over the place. I guess one of them must have noted our skill level because he asked us "How do you guys hit the ball so hard and still keep it in play?" So Lloyd replies to him "You've got to put some topspin on it boy". Without so much as batting an eyelash the guy shouts over to his partner "Hey Johnny put some topspin on it!", as if this was the most straightforward thing on the planet.
For years afterwards whenever we wanted a bit of a laugh, we could recount this story to one another.
 

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I agree re:Sampras. I think he played in a weak era.

Loved Borg. Despised Connors until McEnroe came along to show me new levels of loathing. I will say about Connors that I don't think I saw an athlete, in any sport, that was more intense and determined than he. Maybe some matched him, but nobody has ever tried harder. Even at age 39.

https://youtu.be/PlgJtyUIhqM?t=81
McEnroe was volatile but you cannot deny his shotmaking skills. I loved watching him probably for both of those things.

As for intensity and trying hard, Nadal matches Connors on that front.
 

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So Lloyd replies to him "You've got to put some topspin on it boy".
Normally, I do hit with some topspin. However, in this particular incident Neil's approach shot wasn't very deep and it had a high bounce (about waist high, same height as the net). So, I held the racket with 2 hands and hit the ball flat. It cleared the net by about an inch at just the right height to hit Neil you know where.

BTW: I think Borg had the best topspin forehand of any player I ever saw live or on video.

Question: As an A club player, did you ever play any pros? Our club hosted a tournament of the ladies' "satellite" players. Some of them played with some club members for fun. Jeannie Evert (Chris' younger sister) was one of the ladies and our best male club player challenged her to a match and won. Somehow, we suspected she allowed him to win.
 

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Trivia question: Did you know that both Nadal and the great Ken Rosewall are natural righhanders? (I hate playing against lefties.)
 

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As for intensity and trying hard, Nadal matches Connors on that front.
No argument here. Connors had this habit of hitting his forehand flat and it would hit the net instead of crossing over the net. He never did master the topspin forehand. Plus, he played with that weird Wilson 2000 racket.
 

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Trivia question: Did you know that both Nadal and the great Ken Rosewall are natural righhanders? (I hate playing against lefties.)
trivia: name players who hit the forehand and backhand with both hands on racket , obvious answer is Monica Seles, but who was the male player that played this way?
 

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trivia: name players who hit the forehand and backhand with both hands on racket , obvious answer is Monica Seles, but who was the male player that played this way?
I vaguely remember that the player had a Latino/Spanish sounding name. My guess is Pancho Gonzales or Pancho Sequra.
 

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The first that I saw was watching doubles at the Cricket Club around 1970, where they held the Canadian Open every second year. His name was Frew MacMillan (I think South African) and his partner was Bob Hewitt.

I saw Pancho Gonzales the same year, and pretty sure he hit one hand off both sides. He had a very classic style, but a real temper. He got pissed and he smashed a ball over the main building that must have landed on Wilson Avenue.
 

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Question: As an A club player, did you ever play any pros?

No Darts, I never had the no doubt humbling experience of playing a pro. I played some matches at the Ontario Racquet Club one summer and during one Grant Connell was hitting with a partner on the next court over. Connell was one of Canada's best at the time. So that's as close as I got to a pro. I remember he seemed like a really nice guy based on a couple of interactions we had in retrieving stray balls.
 

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Trivia question: Did you know that both Nadal and the great Ken Rosewall are natural righhanders? (I hate playing against lefties.)
I have heard the story of Nadal being converted in childhood I think but did not know that Rosewall was. For that matter my memory of Rosewall is so hazy I'd be hard-pressed to even recall which hand he played with.
 

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https://www.tennisfame.com/hall-of-famers/inductees/frew-mcmillan

On the court, there was no mistaking which player was Frew Donald McMillian. He was the one wearing his trademark white driving cap and hitting blistering ground strokes off both sides with two hands. While major singles championships eluded him, major doubles championships did not. He won ten, five each in men’s and mixed doubles competition. While it’s not entirely accurate to suggest McMillian couldn’t play singles – he did win indoors at Munich in 1974 and in Nuremberg in 1976 and played in five career finals – doubles was undoubtedly his specialty as he copped championships five straight times. He won 63 doubles titles gallivanting around the globe and was a career finalist in 40 others.

The only 2 fister from both sides in the Tennis Hall of Fame.
 

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Real men play singles. Other than mixed doubles, I just can't play (or watch) doubles. The few times I played doubles I kept hitting my partner with my shots. On at least a couple of occasions I've hit my partner in the back of the head with my serve.

Frew McMillan was largely a niche player (doubles).

Eddie Dibbs and Harold Solomon were also largely niche players. Their best surface by far was clay. At my club we called them "Dirt Devils".

Question: Do they still have the seniors tour?
 

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Never heard of him, looked him up and yes he did hit both sides with 2 hands, however there is only one other male that did this also, it was Hans Gildemeister from Chile.
Hans Gildemeister - now that's a helluva handle. Sounds like he should of been part of a 90's SNL Rob Schneider skit :) The Gilde Meister
 
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