Quality of SPs gone down?

[legmann]

I've always felt you get better service going independent but perhaps I should really start thinking about agencies.

Why not? Agencies tend to offer greater convenience, variety, and value for money in my experience.

There are also fewer agencies operating downtown which may create perception of reduced quality due to limited talent pool. Back in the day you had Roommates, Bonbons, Sassy Angels (under old management), High Society Girls (now outcall only with outrageous prices), Dream Makers. It was a lot more fun to hobby downtown.

This is one thing I've definitely noticed also. And even many of the agencies still operating downtown have their existing rosters spread thinner over other incall locations across the city.

stay away from the perceived Twitter stars. The ladies that want to date (to take more money with less sex), be taken out for 3 hours to only bang for 30 minutes of that $1000 fee.

when I first graced TERB "3 bills" was the elite. Now it's just about anyone that decides to put the term "Courtesan" in front of her name.

To some extent, yes. There has certainly been a proliferation of, but still remains a broad market for anyone not into longer/more involved engagements.

 

[Mr.lover]

Yes, quality definitely down.
I have been searching for a nice PSE, have tried a lot of the recommended ones here. But none as pretty as the ones during the EE era. Nor the recent Kimchi queens era.
I saw a few ladies recently and decided not to write a bad review, because I hate doing that. Some from well known agencies look like street walkers to me. Teeth are heavily stained dark eyes, drooping tits. Seriously... it's time to quit this hobby.

 

[Richard.TO]

How do you define “quality”? IMHO it’s quite subjective. As another OP stated, it’s in the eye of the beholder. From my own experience, and in my opinion, “quality” of service has actually improved because SP’s are more aware of how their reputation can be tarnished on websites like this if they receive poor reviews. Similarly, attractiveness is predicated on personal taste. I’ve thoroughly appreciated the beauty of most of the SPs I’ve visited. Sometimes I have to wait to find a gem but I’m usually happy with their appearance. Having said that, prices have definitely increased given the same level of service. But in the end the price is determined simply by supply and demand. SP’s provide a service and set a price they feel is fair. An OP can choose to pay it or not.

 

[oil&gas]

Impression of price increase talked about here and in some
other related thread seems to have been exaggerated
by proliferation of independents in the high-price category. Certainly prices have increased across the industry but the same can be said of other businesses.
If you look past those 'established' independents on TERB who raised their rates after going indy there are no lack
of providers in the mid-price range like $200-$300.

 

[freedom3]

OP: The Toronto escort scene is at all an all time low and has been for about three years. There are no stars at agencies. There are only a few good looking independents and they charge about $500 per hour. The good years ended when Exquisite closed. It wasn't the greatest agency in the world but it did have some solid escorts. Prior to that, High Society Girls closed. It had some awesome escorts. Nowadays, the number of escorts is low but, more importantly, their beauty is abysmal. As soon as I see the escort, I know I would rather has stayed home and watched porn.


When I think back, agencies that were run by former escorts were the best one and there currently aren't any.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

OP: The Toronto escort scene is at all an all time low and has been for about three years. There are no stars at agencies. There are only a few good looking independents and they charge about $500 per hour. The good years ended when Exquisite closed. It wasn't the greatest agency in the world but it did have some solid escorts

^^^^^ quoted for truth

Cachet Ladies is still good, but it tends to a bit of hit & miss these days.

Cachet is IMO is still the best in the business AFA pretty girls is though

 

[canada-man]

Long time hobbyist infrequent poster. Now before I begin I’ll aplogize in advance before all the white knight defenders crawl out and come roast me. Hoping to have more of an honest discussion here. Has anyone else noticed in the last year or so that the quality/attractiveness of SPs have gone considerably down hill? And rates continue to climb/remain high for even some questionable looking providers..I get it, beauty is subjective but let’s be honest here. Again, not meant to be a hurtful post I could very well be missing something completely as to where all those classically beautiful provides have gone since the beginning of the year..

so why are you ignoring agencies ike hush companions, toronto passions, selec company etc and others?

 

[freedom3]

^^^^^ quoted for truth

Cachet Ladies is still good, but it tends to a bit of hit & miss these days.

Cachet is IMO is still the best in the business AFA pretty girls is though

The problem with Cachet:

-No reviews.
-No incalls.
-No half hour rates.
-Escorts start at $400 per hour.

 

[squeezer]

^^^^^ quoted for truth

Cachet Ladies is still good, but it tends to a bit of hit & miss these days.

Cachet is IMO is still the best in the business AFA pretty girls is though

You're kidding, right? Overpriced ladies that want to party with coke heads that can't get it hard? No thanks, Cachet is the last agency I'd book an appointment with.

Hush, Toronto Passions, Mirage, Sexyfriends, JerseyGirls, Sassy's, Eyecandy, GOE, TGF, Select, Minx , Allegra all are great choices and all one needs in their phone contacts to have a great time. If you are into long dates, these agencies can provide this at a fair rate. All one needs to do is book the ladies for 30/60 to ensure chemistry first then the following sessions can be tailored to whatever fantasy you envision.

 

[legmann]

in the end the price is determined simply by supply and demand. SP’s provide a service and set a price they feel is fair.

By definition then, that is not a price set by supply/demand...

But none as pretty as the ones during the EE era.

That was certainly an idyllic period in the Toronto escort scene... there are far less East European girls these days, but part of the attraction back then, I think, was the novelty (and consistency) of the EE providers. Today, we have a much wider array of providers across thee spectrum, but with less of the predictability in appearance/price/service of the early East European SP's.

The Toronto escort scene is at all an all time low and has been for about three years. There are no stars at agencies.

I am honestly happy to say I have either been very lucky, or many of you simply have not. I can't complain (as yet) about any of the girls I've recently seen at agencies like Toronto Passions, Cupids and Mirage (for example), in both looks and service - and I've been doing this far too long to settle for or tolerate 'mediocre' in either.

 

[icedude]

I have to agree that quality has declined majorly in the past few years. One major thing is scheduling and consistency. I need to pre-book my sessions, at least 2-3 days in advance and recently its become impossible to do so... The new ladies working today are extremely inconsistent and flake / cancel regularly it's extremely common today, even well reviewed girls. Even with 5 star agencies such as Mirage. Mirage used to post their schedule every Sunday night and you used to be able to set your watch to that schedule. Now if you're lucky its updated on Tuesday morning and not even the main page schedule. I understand a cancellation here and there once and while but for me its become the rule rather than the exception. I get that the agency cant control when the girl cancels and that goes more toward what this thread is saying.. quality has gone down.

 

[legmann]

One major thing is scheduling and consistency. I need to pre-book my sessions, at least 2-3 days in advance and recently its become impossible to do so...

I don't doubt. Am going to say that with the sheer increase in the number of SP's and agencies operating, you're going to see an increase in number of cancellations/flakes/etc.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I have to agree that quality has declined majorly in the past few years. One major thing is scheduling and consistency

What also plays a major factor is the cost of rental units (incall) in Toronto has gone WAY up over the last 5 years, so you have to figure that into the cost as well

 

[harryass]

There will always be real gems to lumps of coal for any hobby period. Good that the lumps of coals don't last long in the biz anyhow. Do your homework is not new to find your gems.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Cachet is the last agency I'd book an appointment with

Well.......not everyone can afford them.

I do somewhat agree with you though, $500/hr is getting pricey

 

[squeezer]

Well.......not everyone can afford them.

I do somewhat agree with you though, $500/hr is getting pricey

I can afford them, it's common sense and better choices out there that stop me from being foolish and allowing me to enjoy my disposable income on other comforts life has to offer.

I don't understand why you think there is a dip in quality. You are talking about literal human beings. I personally find this whole thread incredibly offensive.

You can be as offended as you like but this is a review board and we discuss the ladies, services and menus.
Therefore please stay in your own lane. (kidding, I just had to fire that line back at you)

I don't agree on the dip in quality within agencies I do however agree within the independants, the prices definitely exceeds the reality in many many cases.

People keep saying how the elite girls were $300 ten years ago......10 years ago gas was like 65-80 cents a litre. Y'all are still driving and buying ridiculous gas guzzling cars that you dont need....yet you complain if a human person decides to give themselves a raise.


10 years ago you could buy a house in Hamilton for like $80,000.....now theyre going for $300,000+

Even therapy is more expensive as compared to 10 years ago!!

Way to many older, 6/10s are calling themselves "elite" when in reality are really backpage quality. $300 is too much, I'd even say $250 is too much in some cases.

Get the fuck over it lol.

Also, out of all of the places I have travelled, Canada has the cheapest rates for sex workers. I know of SSBBW providers in Australia that charge $400 per hour but here you're lucky if you get like $200 per hour if you are a SSBBW. I have friends in the UK that are 1000 (pounds sterling) per hour and they are constantly booked solid....and no one complains about it.

You ever travel to Montreal, Panama, Cuba, Aruba, Bogata Colombia, Mexico and check out prices? You should really ask and find out what is really out there and stop focusing on the US where the prices are inflated due to the illagality of prostitution.


Vio

My Lawyer charges me $350/hr. She has many years of University under her belt and has performed very well over the last 5 years so I happily pay the fee but If a lawyer comes along and proves to me they can do the same job for the $200 , do you not believe I'll start sending this new hungry aggressive lawyer my business, the answer is YES I would!

You complain about a fee of $300/hr as if it's not enough, let's see.

3 days a week, 3 clients a day= 9 clients at only an hour each would be $2700 cash a week. As an Indy, that's all yours minus advertising costs. Some ladies work from home other may have a incall cost, still it's decent money and I would bet most decent looking ladies charging $300 would probably see more than 9 clients a week if they chose too. I dunno about you but most people do not make this weekly salary in Canada.

Please merge back into the lane, don't come in like a freight liner, thank you!

 

[oil&gas]

Your lawyer would not be willing to do an escort's
job for $350/hr even if she has the goods. I will be in
trouble if I offer my female colleagues $500
for a BJ. Personally I am thankful for
getting the kind of services received from my
regular MPAs for less than $200/hr.

 

[squeezer]

Your lawyer would not be willing to do an escort's
job for $350/hr even if she has the goods. I will be in
trouble if I offer my female colleagues $500
for a BJ. Personally I am thankful for
getting the kind of services received from my
regular MPAs for less than $200/hr.

Platinum is $180 for a great time. Seduction spa is pretty good to although a bit more of a hit and miss with the ladies.

I don't know this for sure but I suspect my lawyer was in the sex industry in her younger days. Maybe that's the reason I enjoy the occasional visit with her even though it's not sexual in nature, unfortunately.

I would gladly throw my Lawyer and a few civvies I know $500 an hour for a BJ and FS but they are like a forbidden fruit worth the extra dollars.

 

[Mr.lover]

The point is, I am a customer. I am paying for a fantasy. The agency misrepresented the girls, the girls did not look anything like her pics. I have seen the ads for those girls in the UK for $1000 GBP.. I would be willing to pay that, because those girls are 9s compared to the 5s or 4s I have seen recently, and paying $250/hr.. are you freaking kidding me? Sorry, I am paying for a fantasy of a hot girl, who is pretending to be my lover. I am not paying for a street Walker at that price. Some of the asian agencies have new girls @$600+ but they are at least beautiful. Service wise, they are also better.

 

[freedom3]

Some of the asian agencies have new girls @$600+ but they are at least beautiful. Service wise, they are also better.

In Toronto? Which ones?