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In Trump win, Canada, U.S. deal saves NAFTA as trilateral pact

Butler1000

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How about this. A little bit of win for all sides. No real losses. Some updates.

Isn't that what's supposed to happen once the postering is done.

Credit to the negotiators for keeping it real.
 

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It is a Trump win and Canada took a hit.

Trump gets trade win with new NAFTA deal

Trade ministers from the U.S., Mexico and Canada have reached a deal to revamp the North American Free Trade Agreement, the Trump administration announced late Sunday night.

The new pact, which is being called the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, is a major step toward completing one of Trump’s signature campaign promises and gives the president a concrete policy win to tout on the campaign trail this fall. It also sets the stage for what is sure to be a high-stakes fight to get the agreement passed by Congress before it can become law.

The Trump administration formally notified Congress at the end of August of its plans to sign a new pact and faced a deadline of the end of September to provide a draft of the agreement.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said in late August that officials are planning to sign with their Canadian and Mexican counterparts by the end of November — a date that would also satisfy Mexico, which is eager to have current President Enrique Peña Nieto sign the deal before his successor takes over December 1.

“It’s a great win for the president and a validation for his strategy in the area of international trade,” a senior administration official said on a call with reporters late Sunday.

People briefed on the outlines of a revamped deal described changes in language governing dairy imports, dispute resolution between countries, limits on online shopping that can be done tax-free, and limits on the U.S. threat of auto tariffs.

“It’s a good day for Canada,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said as he left the office late Sunday night. He said he would save other comments for an official announcement on Monday.

A formal vote in Congress won’t be held until 2019, and it is still an open question whether lawmakers — including members of the president’s own party who have often clashed with him on trade — will fall in line to support the deal.
Republicans are expected to pay close attention to the final details regarding dispute settlement and intellectual property issues, while Democrats will likely be looking for stricter labor and environmental standards.

Lawmakers from both parties, along with powerful business and industry groups, are also examining whether new provisions, such as stricter automotive rules, may end up making life more difficult for domestic companies rather than easier.

A senior administration official highlighted the “great result” on dairy issues that was achieved. The pact opens up the Canadian dairy market to U.S. exports at a level higher than the 3.25 percent market share the Obama administration negotiated under the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

The official also said that Canada agreed to eliminate a recent milk-ingredient pricing program that U.S. farmers complained has dried up demand for their exports of the product.

In exchange, Canada was able to preserve dispute settlement language. Canada has historically insisted on an international panel to judge whether the U.S. improperly uses duties as a commercial weapon.

Canada also agreed to an “accommodation” to its auto exports in response to tariffs Trump is expected to impose on vehicle imports for national security reasons, the senior administration official said. That arrangement will likely involve Canada agreeing to a side deal that would restrict its auto exports to a level well above the current volume of trade that flows south of the border, sources close to the talks said.

Lighthizer had hoped to reach an agreement by the end of 2017, a timeline that was extended until the end of March. The three nations failed to make that deadline but have been meeting almost continuously in Washington since as they sought to reach compromises on issues that have been both technically and politically challenging for all three countries.

Now, depending on the outcome of November’s midterm elections, control of the House of Representatives may well turn over to Democrats, who may have little incentive to work with a president from the opposite party to ratify a deal that they may not like.

One strategy that circulated earlier this year was a plan to force a vote by withdrawing from the existing NAFTA agreement before the new one takes effect — thus forcing members of Congress to choose between the renegotiated deal or no deal at all.

Trump indicated last month that he would pursue such tactics, telling reporters in the Oval Office that he would “be terminating the existing deal and going into this deal.”

Several prominent lawmakers, however, expressed cautious optimism with the new pact.

“Maintaining a trilateral North American deal is an important prerequisite to preserving and extending those gains and the Trump administration has achieved that goal,” said Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), chairman of the Senate finance committee. “I look forward to reviewing this deal to confirm it meets the high standards of Trade Promotion Authority.”

Under the TPA, Congress will take a straight up-or-down vote without amendments. Those rules also have a series of other steps that also must be followed before the deal can be passed.

Even without congressional approval, having the preliminary deal in hand will give the administration and vulnerable Republicans up for reelection at least the skeleton of a policy achievement to use on the trail.

Officials have said that changes made to automotive rules to increase the amount of content that must be sourced from within NAFTA countries should play well in manufacturing states concerned about the offshoring of jobs.

Meanwhile, leading congressional Democrats say they’re not yet convinced that the new deal represents a significant shift from past trade policies that have rarely earned their support.

“The bar for supporting a new NAFTA will be high,” said Representative Richard Neal (D-Mass.), the ranking member on the House ways and means committee.

Democrats and their backers in labor unions and environment groups will be looking for a deal they feel can be adequately enforced in terms of upholding worker rights and environmental protections.

Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said the ability of the deal to enforce those provisions will be a “crucial test” for a new agreement.

The country’s largest organized labor group also stressed that it will be studying the labor language closely.

“The text we have reviewed, even before the confirmation that Canada will remain part of NAFTA, affirms that too many details still need to be worked out before working people make a final judgment on a deal,” AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said in a statement.

It remains unclear at this point what the preliminary deal means for the steel and aluminum tariffs the Trump administration has put in place as well as the retaliatory duties Canada and Mexico imposed. Many industry sources and others close to the talks have long expected that reaching a deal would lead the U.S. to lift the tariffs, a move that would lead Canada and Mexico to follow suit.

A senior U.S. administration official said a possible exemption for Canada remains on a separate track from the broader trade negotiations and there was no agreement yet on that issue.

Mexican Economy Secretary Ildefonso Guajardo said in late August that those tariffs — as well as Mexico’s retaliatory duties on $3 billion in U.S. products like agricultural goods — would be enforced until the countries are closer to signing an agreement later this year.

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-...ng-trump-crucial-trade-win-mexico-lighthizer/
Your article doesn't say that Canada took a hit, Conil.

We conceded slightly on dairy as the cost of doing business. Everything else pretty much as is.

Good work by Trudeau.
 

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Your article doesn't say that Canada took a hit, Conil.

We conceded slightly on dairy as the cost of doing business. Everything else pretty much as is.

Good work by Trudeau.
Unfortunately it will be the taxpayers who will be on the hook for subsidizing our dairy farmers.
 

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He did as well as any other actor who was given a script, flubbed his lines with ad libs, tripped up the other actors, and then showed up at curtain call to take the biggest bow of all.
He deserves an Academy Award for putting up with Trump's assholish insanity without losing his cool . Freeland was also impeccable!
 

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All's well that ends well, Pluggy. Sounds like all the gloom and doom that the cowardly alt righties and CPC traitors were weeping was unfounded.

I think Justin just came of age. He took on the challenge. Didn't cave in. And came out on top. Sort of like a NAFTA Top Gun or Star Wars sequel.

He did pretty well with that Prince Mohammed asshole too. Just stared that Saudi jerk down until he backed away with his tail between his burka.

Betcha Scheer's pretty embarrassed today. Did the po-faced little fucker even show up in the House?? I'm guessing no. Back in the day, he would have been tarred and feathered by the constituents. Or worse. I bet Justin just smiles at him the next time that they're both in the House and Scheer can't meet his eye. Sad.

Ready. Fire. Aim. The motto of the CPC.
I wasn't predicting doom and gloom. I was predicting these modest adjustments with the focus of substantive change being on auto trade with Mexico.

I also am (and was) of the opinion that the US told the Canadians exactly how this would go, and it went down exactly as planned by the Americans.

However, in the meantime Trudeau and his team did their level best to say the wrong things, do the wrong things, and generally forget their lines, unnecessarily upsetting the Canadian markets and the public. In short, he is incompetent. The fact that the US made this happen doesn't change that. The US, as I've said previously, has no interest in Canada failing.
 

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He deserves an Academy Award for putting up with Trump's assholish insanity without losing his cool . Freeland was also impeccable!
The Liberals will be pleased to note your low expectations.
 

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I wasn't predicting doom and gloom. I was predicting these modest adjustments with the focus of substantive change being on auto trade with Mexico.

I also am (and was) of the opinion that the US told the Canadians exactly how this would go, and it went down exactly as planned by the Americans.

However, in the meantime Trudeau and his team did their level best to say the wrong things, do the wrong things, and generally forget their lines, unnecessarily upsetting the Canadian markets and the public. In short, he is incompetent. The fact that the US made this happen doesn't change that. The US, as I've said previously, has no interest in Canada failing.

Bud - I love how you shamelessly declare yourself correct after the fact - even though the facts don't back up your claims. It's one of your most hilarious traits.
 

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Bud - I love how you shamelessly declare yourself correct after the fact - even though the facts don't back up your claims. It's one of your most hilarious traits.
Go back and look. Re-post everything I said about the shape of the deal the Trump administration was looking for.

I love that no matter how many times I am proven right about any particular topic, you'll never adjust your own thinking. It's not really hilarious. It's a handicap.
 

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Go back and look. Re-post everything I said about the shape of the deal the Trump administration was looking for.

I love that no matter how many times I am proven right about any particular topic, you'll never adjust your own thinking. It's not really hilarious. It's a handicap.
LOL! You're like the Black Knight from Monty Python.

Bud Plug:
 

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LOL! You're like the Black Knight from Monty Python.
You could make correct predictions as well, if you just embraced two principles:

1. Stick to making predictions only about topics that you really know a lot about.

2. Resist injecting your personal or political philosophical ideals into your predictions.​

Give it a try. I'm 100% sure (so it must be true) that you will be satisfied with the results!
 

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You could make correct predictions as well, if you just embraced two principles:

1. Stick to making predictions only about topics that you really know a lot about.

2. Resist injecting your personal or political philosophical ideals into your predictions.​

Give it a try. I'm 100% sure (so it must be true) that you will be satisfied with the results!
No Bud, you don't understand. I get a kick over how YOU declare yourself correct after the fact even when the facts don't back you up. You know what I'm talking about.

Why don't you let others do that for you? Wouldn't that be more credible if it were to ever occur? Or don't you like the sound of crickets?
 

Bud Plug

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No Bud, you don't understand. I get a kick over how YOU declare yourself correct after the fact even when the facts don't back you up. You know what I'm talking about.

Why don't you let others do that for you? Wouldn't that be more credible if it were to ever occur? Or don't you like the sound of crickets?
Well, when you're right, you're right. Should I have waited for you to say so? It doesn't seem that was forthcoming. LOL!

However, I didn't return to this topic just to point out that I was right, I did it to respond to Oagre claiming that all the criticism of JT was unfair, because he had exceeded expectations. My point was simply that the deal was what it was always going to be. You might be able to claim I was being revisionist, had I not described the scope of the deal in advance (while complaining about JT not reading the script at the time). Go back and read it. I'm sure if you thought I said otherwise, you would have posted it, rather than your Monty Python meme.

As to the "glory" of being right around here, let's just say that a one eyed man is king in the land of the blind.
 

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