Brett Kavanaugh and His Accuser Say They’re Willing to Testify

Aardvark154

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Those calling for polygraphs. You do realize that polygraphs are inadmissible in court for a reason. A polygraph is not a "lie detector" rather it is more a moral compass, psychopathy detector. Those with a very strong moral compass can "falsely fail" polygraphs while those high on the psychopathy scale can "falsely pass" polygraphs.
 

toguy5252

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He said - "I’ll do whatever the committee wants."
He said that with the full knowledge that Grassley would never allow it. Can anyone seriously (and I mean that rhetorically because everyone one of the Trumpanistas will disagree) seriously suggest that an attempt to get at the truth can be had without hearing the evidence of Judge.
 

Anbarandy

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Epic? All he did was insure himself a few more rides on Air Force One and few more rounds of golf with the PGOTUS.
Epic hypocrisy.

He must have been looking at himself in the mirror and railing against what he has become.
 

Anbarandy

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I think there is too much doubt to nominate Kavanaugh. The job is too important and he should not be nominated. In addition, he will be forever weakened unless he can clear his name and there are 2 ways he could do that. 1. Request an FBI investigation and 2. Take a lie detector test. Both of which he has avoided doing. So the optics are he is hiding something.

There is also one big "hey wait" in all of this. When Ford first came forward, Kavanaugh was just one name of several. She spoke out against HIM saying what he had done to her. This was BEFORE he was the nominee. She didn't lay charge against the others on the list, just him and her point was that he, not the others, was not fit to be on that list. So there is no political axe to grind here (which is how the Republicans are spinning it). If she had waited until it was known that he was the nominee, you'd have an argument. But that's not how it went down.

I would also toss him out based on his testimony frankly. All he did was yell and as soon as he brought up the Clinton's and foreign money (the implication being Soros) he jumped the shark.

I've been around the block enough times to know that the guy who starts yelling has just lost the argument. Anyone who thinks that his testimony somehow exonerated him because he was yelling is a child like dupe. I find it incredible that anyone thought he cleared his name because he was yelling. Laughable that you would think that.
Kavanaugh morphed into Donald Trump right before our eyes.

The moral and ethical decay that lay inside and underpins this indignant, railing white-privilege elitist came a-bubbling to the surface during his testimony.

Neither the judicial temperament and objectivity nor the moral compass he possesses to be a sitting judge anywhere.
 

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Kavanaugh morphed into Donald Trump right before our eyes.

The moral and ethical decay that lay inside and underpins this indignant, railing white-privilege elitist came a-bubbling to the surface during his testimony.

Neither the judicial temperament and objectivity nor the moral compass he possesses to be a sitting judge anywhere.
Trump is backing Kavanaugh now precisely because Trump identifies with him as someone who assaults women and his only defence is to loudly and angrily deny it.
The question now is whether the GOP are so desperate for power that they will institutionalize an accused rapist as their new barometer for morality.
 

toguy5252

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Kavanaugh morphed into Donald Trump right before our eyes.

The moral and ethical decay that lay inside and underpins this indignant, railing white-privilege elitist came a-bubbling to the surface during his testimony.

Neither the judicial temperament and objectivity nor the moral compass he possesses to be a sitting judge anywhere.
Trump had been critical of his weak performance in that Fox interview and Trump appeared to be wavering. His performance was intended to shore up his support form the PGOTUS and in that respect it was very successful. Witness Graham who has become Trumps surrogate in the Senate.
 

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Kavanaugh morphed into Donald Trump right before our eyes.

The moral and ethical decay that lay inside and underpins this indignant, railing white-privilege elitist came a-bubbling to the surface during his testimony.

Neither the judicial temperament and objectivity nor the moral compass he possesses to be a sitting judge anywhere.
How damn stupid ^.

If you were falsely accused of something that happened when you were 17 years-old, allegations which are not supported by those the accusers name as witnesses. You had been hung out to dry, YOU wouldn't be angry and upset?
 

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How damn stupid ^.

If you were falsely accused of something that happened when you were 17 years-old, allegations which are not supported by those the accusers name as witnesses. You had been hung out to dry, YOU wouldn't be angry and upset?
If.

But this is now 4 women accusing Kavanaugh of being a mean drunk who raped girls.
Kavanaugh showed he has the temper he's accused of having during the interview.
 

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Trump is backing Kavanaugh now precisely because Trump identifies with him as someone who assaults women and his only defence is to loudly and angrily deny it.
The question now is whether the GOP are so desperate for power that they will institutionalize an accused rapist as their new barometer for morality.
But this is now 4 women accusing Kavanaugh of being a mean drunk who raped girls.
Kavanaugh showed he has the temper he's accused of having during the interview.
This is the sort of thing that happens now he is labled "an accused rapist," even though no one has accused him of rape. Further all of the witnesses mentioned by the accusers deny that anything happened! Then we have the conflation: one of his suitemates his Freshman year at Yale didn't get along with the other two suitemates he says Judge Kavanaugh was a mean drunk, this is one person not scores of people. None of you ever had a suite or roommate that you were like oil and water?
 

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This is the sort of thing that happens now he is labled "an accused rapist," even though no one has accused him of rape. Further all of the witnesses mentioned by the accusers deny that anything happened! Then we have the conflation: one of his suitemates his Freshman year at Yale didn't get along with the other two suitemates he says Judge Kavanaugh was a mean drunk, this is one person not scores of people. None of you ever had a suite or roommate that you were like oil and water?
Sorry dude, but Ford just accused Kavanaugh of rape publicly in the most serious way next to a court of law.



Do you think an accused rapist is judge for life material at the highest position in the country?
 

toguy5252

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How damn stupid ^.

If you were falsely accused of something that happened when you were 17 years-old, allegations which are not supported by those the accusers name as witnesses. You had been hung out to dry, YOU wouldn't be angry and upset?
Your response in based upon you assumption that he was falsely accused. I have no idea what happened but the best anyone can say is that he may have done what he is accused of. The Senate committee has done everything in its power to insure that the truth is not found. Probably because they are afraid of what a fulsome investigation would reveal. The senate was content to have a vacancy on the Court during the Garland episode for 18 months but now there is an urgency that cant wait. The entire hearing was a charade.
 

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I'd say you are about as hateful and abhorrent as any left wing kook on this forum. Post #377 is a shining example of that.
Do tell how that is so? Because I called Clarence an Uncle Tom? Why do you think I made that observation? You think it's based on 'hate'? If so, hate based on what? Let's hear it.

Further, no one can beat you and your friends when it comes to hate. I mean, you're not known as KKKDouglas for nothing.
 

Anbarandy

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How damn stupid ^.

If you were falsely accused of something that happened when you were 17 years-old, allegations which are not supported by those the accusers name as witnesses. You had been hung out to dry, YOU wouldn't be angry and upset?
Hahaha.

You're pulling a fuckin 'Kavanaugh' on me.

'Kavanaughing' is the new synonym for hypocritical, righteous indignation.
 

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How damn stupid ^.

If you were falsely accused of something that happened when you were 17 years-old, allegations which are not supported by those the accusers name as witnesses. You had been hung out to dry, YOU wouldn't be angry and upset?
All you're saying is that anyone might lose his temper in such an instance. But a judge isn't just anyone, and a Supreme Court Justice isn't just any judge.

What do you think a Justice Kavanaugh would say to anyone in his Court whose response to a witness account was only a brief intemperate denial without substantiation, mostly an angry partisan harangue, and an attack on the other side's politics?

I very much doubt it would be approving.
 

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If truth was the goal, the democrats wouldn't have sat in the info acquired so long (Blame Feinstein). They would have talked to Kavanugh much sooner, privately, and sought to launch an investigation weeks ago.

Ford stated a decent case, in the end, I think she believes someone assaulted her. But friends said to be present, are unable to support claims. She has selective, and convenient memory blocks.
Kavanaugh, I felt absolute confidence in. He took every question no matter how personal, and explained in detail all that was asked. He went much further ( opening statement ) in doing his own research.

I think the Democrats showed they didn't care about 'truth' at all when faced with asking Kavanaugh anything about this matter, many chose to waste their time bringing up the FBI. They tried to pressure him into requesting the FBI be brought in, like he had the power to do that... this after suggested he withdraw his nomination.

But the height, had to be Dianne Feinstein throwing Ford under the bus blaming HER friends for the leak. She flip flopped about herself not being the leak, believed her staff didn't leak.. then was sure they didn't, it had to be Ford's friends.
Feinstein even invited Alyssa Milano to the hearing.. why? The answer is obviously political based, and sadly Milano ( Who supports Ford without having heard both even speak ) had to be told by security to stop filming with her phone.

It was horrible to watch. The democrats could have done an investigation long ago, they could have kept the privacy of both Ford and Kavanaugh, and could have used the time yesterday to conduct their investigation and ask questions.

In the end, none brought it home better than Lindsey Graham.
The simple explaination is they knew it was a nothing burger so they didn’t use it because if there was time to dig into it it would unravel. When the end-of-days Roe v Wade strategy didn’t work this was their Hail Mary to stall for time.

They may have rallied a fractured GOP and energized its base, talk about unintended consequences.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EWEricks...es/2018/09/28/wapo-bush-barricades-kavanaugh/
 

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Kavanaugh, I felt absolute confidence in. He took every question no matter how personal, and explained in detail all that was asked.
Except that he largely evaded a number of questions asked (i.e. Would he want Mark Judge to testify? Would he welcome an FBI investigation?), failed to provide direct answers, and resorted to affirming his innocence ("I am innocent") over and over.

He did much the same in his initial confirmation hearings (re: evading direct questions) and has been shown to have lied to Congress previously.

Furthermore, a man of 'confidence' doesn't bark and sneer his way through questioning: "What do you drink?" he sarcastically asked one Senator; "You never played quarters?" he asked another - not to mention his exchanges with Feinstein and Klobuchar, among others.


Confidence? Please.
 

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All you're saying is that anyone might lose his temper in such an instance. But a judge isn't just anyone, and a Supreme Court Justice isn't just any judge.

What do you think a Justice Kavanaugh would say to anyone in his Court whose whole response to a witness account was only a brief intemperate denial without substantiation, but mostly an angry partisan harangue, and an attack on the other side's politics?

I very much doubt it would be approving.
Interesting, because my point, over and over again, is that judges are precisely "just anyone's", subject only to the distinction that they are educated in the laws, and more importantly, in the particular discipline of analysis required by the law. Knowledge of the law doesn't imbue anyone with analytical judgement, which is the real characteristic required to instill confidence in the legal system.

A person's emotional reaction to having their life of accomplishment (against incredible odds) smeared by what they are adamant is a completely false allegation, in my view, casts no disparagement on what I consider to be the essential characteristics of a judge. I think that most people would lack an appreciation for the dedication, hard work and determination it took for Kavanaugh to achieve the legal career he has had. I think most people would lack an appreciation for the close scrutiny that his behaviour has been under for his entire professional life. He has more than proved just how respectfully he treats women both as a judge on the bench and in his professional and personal life generally. I find his response to the sleazy sham that this hearing has turned into to be entirely understandable. Obviously, politicians are not holding themselves anything close to the standards they purport to hold judges to.

And if you think that judges are not prone to outburst of emotion, you've not spent much time in courts or even paid much attention to recent events. What do think a cheeky reference to "crickets" in an important ruling is? Of course, Belobaba could be excused for the emotion, had he only analyzed the legal issue correctly!
 

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I sure hope so. In light of all that was said yesterday, I'd find it refreshing to not just have the confirmation done, but for a couple Democrats to now vote yes to this nomination.
And if a couple of Republicans went the other way we might actually stop holding our breath about whether this vital matter of good, impartial judgment by high-principled leaders had deteriorated into just another political mud-match between hacks.

Nice to see some still have hope.
 
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