can anyone explain Ford changing the council size?

[LT56]

It’s petty and vindictive on Ford’s part. He and his brother got shown the door by City Council so now he’s trying to even the score and willing to use the Notwithstanding clause to do it.

Saving $25 million is a drop in the bucket for the City of Toronto’s budget...and if the efficiency of municipal government is such a burning issue then why is Ford only looking at the City of Toronto?

It’s poor leadership and juvenile behaviour on Ford’s part, none of which is surprising. This kinda stupid bs will endear him to his base of red neck yahoos but will alienate him from everyone else. So as far as I’m concerned Ford should keep abusing his authority as much as possible...See you at the next election.

 

[LT56]

Half of council got eaten by a shark..lol.
I bet you now they don't give a shit about shark fin soup anymore when their job got chomped by a shark!! LOL!!

It looks to me like Doug Ford are the shark...and it’s fin...and the bowl it was served in...and the waiter who served it.

 

[explorerzip]

Think about what you are saying and what you have been fooled into believing. Think. Where did the $25 million dollar annual savings come from? THINK. Ford pulled a number out of a hat with absolutely no justification and fools have bought it hook, line and sinker. Why not save $50 mln a year by eliminating Council completely? LOL!

Asking him to think is like asking your dog to learn to drive. Actually, you'd have better luck getting your dog to drive.

 

[LT56]

Asking him to think is like asking your dog to learn to drive. Actually, you'd have better luck getting your dog to drive.

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

[Frankfooter]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4451050/doug-ford-toronto-city-council-fight/


This is what Ford said,
“I’ve sat down at city council and we’ve debated shark fin soup for 12 hours. You’ve got to be kidding me,” he said.

That helps explain why council is so much more productive since the Fords left.
First the Fords killed off a really good transit plan, then they took over council debates with nonsense about shark fin soup and defending the use of crack while mayor.
Council is actually working fine right now.

Check CBC's note about their last meeting in July.

At their July meeting, their last regular meeting of this council term, councillors adopted 398 items. Of those, 197 were adopted without any debate. Decisions were definitely made.

Council was dysfunctional, but since the Rob and Doug show left its been running fine.
Now the only thing threatening to screw it up is Doug, who is in the process of totally fucking up our election.

 

[PornAddict]

That helps explain why council is so much more productive since the Fords left.
First they killed off a really good transit plan, then the took over council debates with nonsense about shark fin soup and defending the use of crack while mayor.
Council is actually working fine right now.

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Trying to be sneak eh! Blaming council debates on shark fin soup on Mayor Ford It the leftie councillor bought in the debate about banning shark fin soup and then they council debate and argue for 12 hours on shark fin soup!
Bottom line The debates should have taken 10 min at most on shark fin soup!! council is dysfunctional and the faster we get rid of them the better Toronto will be for it!

 

[wilbur]

Ford pulled a number out of a hat with absolutely no justification and fools have bought it hook, line and sinker. LOL!

No he didn't pull a number out of a hat. The number of councillors reflects the number of federal/provincial ridings within Toronto.

 

[westendman]

Because of larger ward sizes each councilor will need larger staffs so probably not much of a saving at all. Plus all the money both the province and city have used in the court battle. My guess no savings at all. Doug Ford being petty and vindictive because he is an asshole and a bully.

 

[essguy_]

No he didn't pull a number out of a hat. The number of councillors reflects the number of federal/provincial ridings within Toronto.

Well first of all, the number I was referring to was the $25 mln “savings”. Totally made up. But since you think it was the Ward map and number of councillors - why should or would a municipal election Ward map and number of councillors match Provincial or Federal riding maps? Municipal councillors deal with and municipal politics contains micro-issues for homeowners and local business. So why would a map from a higher layer of political oversight be appropriate? Justify the change beyond the fiction of $25 mln “savings”. And name another major city where an electoral map matches that for a higher level of Govt. Totally ridiculous argument.

 

[oldjones]

That helps explain why council is so much more productive since the Fords left.
First the Fords killed off a really good transit plan, then they took over council debates with nonsense about shark fin soup and defending the use of crack while mayor.
Council is actually working fine right now.

Check CBC's note about their last meeting in July.


Council was dysfunctional, but since the Rob and Doug show left its been running fine.
Now the only thing threatening to screw it up is Doug, who is in the process of totally fucking up our election.

Considering Rob was Mayor, leading the Council and setting its Agenda and Doug was his Good Right Hand (with a dozen or so staunch right-wingers they could count on) they weren't without power to limit, or — more likely — to prolong the debate.

The motion passed 38-4

 

[GameBoy27]

I think reducing the number to 25 is a good idea. You can debate all you want on how they're going about it, but it's going to get done no matter how much people kick and scream.

The real fun begins when all of the Councillors who currently stand united in trying to stop the reduction, concede and begin stabbing one another in the back as they fight for their jobs. Because they know they're not going to find another job that pays $112,000 plus, plus, plus, plus...

This is going to fun to watch.

 

[Bud Plug]

I think reducing the number to 25 is a good idea. You can debate all you want on how they're going about it, but it's going to get done no matter how much people kick and scream.

The real fun begins when all of the Councillors who currently stand united in trying to stop the reduction, concede and begin stabbing one another in the back as they fight for their jobs. Because they know they're not going to find another job that pays $112,000 plus, plus, plus, plus...

This is going to fun to watch.

Maybe some of the lefty candidates can agree to a job sharing arrangement? LOL!

 

[Anbarandy]

Officially reduce size of governments to make it run more efficiently. Example if you have 47 of the smartest people in the room ..nothing get done They will be always arguing! So hopefully 25 councillor which is the same number of seat as Federal MP and Ontario MMP things will get done. The boundaries are the same as federal and Ontario no advantage in redistribution of vote. Plus 22 less councillors equal less spending and saving of $25 million dollars.. Also nothing was getting done in council too much debates and arguments.

Unofficially payback is a bitch..lol..
So he get to kill two bird with one stone . LOL... Time to let those leftie squirms and cry !

Every sentence in this post is a falsehood, a myth, a fabrication, a lie and not supported by fact, evidence nor realty.

A reflection of the modus operandi of The Emperor of Ontario.

 

[Frankfooter]

Every sentence in this post is a falsehood, a myth, a fabrication, a lie and not supported by fact, evidence nor realty.

A reflection of the modus operandi of The Emperor of Ontario.

Ford has admitted its an attack on the city and more specifically the downtown with his comments that only the NDP are against it.

 

[GameBoy27]

I'd support the reduction regardless of which party was going to do it. It's about time!

 

[K Douglas]

Do you have any evidence of this? Latest news articles say the size is same as most major cities and lots gets done, most decisions are made, new infrastructure etc.
Or are you a Trump guy?

Actually cities like New York, Los Angeles & Houston operate with far less city council members per capita. Only Chicago has more per capita.

 

[bver_hunter]

At 1 councillor representing close to 57,000 people, only Calgary and Edmonton have a higher figure at 83,000and 69,000 respectively. So it was NOT A BIG ISSUE, like Dumb DOFO misleadingly implicated as the reason he had to take action. If this whole ridiculous bit of Legislation happens to be approved, then at 105,000 it will be a huge task. Obviously Dumb DOFO has not spelt out the precise manner in which there will be a smooth transition.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-doesnt-actually-have-all-that-many-city-councillors

 

[explorerzip]

Actually cities like New York, Los Angeles & Houston operate with far less city council members per capita. Only Chicago has more per capita.

You have to look at the entire state of the city to know what is really going on. The number of city employees including councilors, is going to be different for each city because they have different sources of revenue, local laws, autonomy, etc. If these cities had the same governance structure, level of autonomy, relationship with upper levels and government, etc. then we conclude that Toronto should do the same. I would hope that's how a logical business person would approach making an organization more efficient. But we don't know this information about these other cities.

It's like evaluating a company based on only their balance sheet. It only tells you part of the story.

 

[Boober69]

At 1 councillor representing close to 57,000 people, only Calgary and Edmonton have a higher figure at 83,000and 69,000 respectively. So it was NOT A BIG ISSUE, like Dumb DOFO misleadingly implicated as the reason he had to take action. If this whole ridiculous bit of Legislation happens to be approved, then at 105,000 it will be a huge task. Obviously Dumb DOFO has not spelt out the precise manner in which there will be a smooth transition.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-doesnt-actually-have-all-that-many-city-councillors

It will mean the councillors will have to (GASP!)...actually do some work and not daydream about their next pet project.

There will be no shortage of councillors & new candidates clawing each other's eyes out to win their ward...if it was going to be so bad why would anyone want the job?

 

[Boober69]

Ford has admitted its an attack on the city and more specifically the downtown with his comments that only the NDP are against it.

Well considering the NDP make up the majority of the opposition he's right.

I think it's funny Horwath came out to commend the protesters telling them she's proud of them for coming out at night even though it was a workday the next day.
Hey Horwath, no one in that crowd works.
Anyone who actually works wouldn't be out at night shouting about something they can't do anything about.