Gunfire erupts inside Yorkdale mall

[Charlemagne]

No, this is not common knowledge. Only badmind utterances by those from the Eastern Caribbean who still blame Jamaicans for the failure of the West Indian Federation. Small minded.

There are far more Jamaicans or people of Jamaican origin than any other Caribbean people, so it stands to reason there would be more criminals. There are also far more accomplished ones like Michael Lee-Chin and the late G Raymond Chang, both of whom came to Canada as adults but are rarely referred to as Jamaicans, if at all...in the case of Chang...who isn't even a black Jamaican, just to illustrate how silly this is.

Your police chief is of Jamaican origin, but is he really a Jamaican? The man who he beat for the job (Peter Sloly) is from Jamaica though. So too the first black police chief of a major Canadian city - Devon Culnis (Winnipeg). Most of the newscasters, bank managers, doctors (related to and know a few of these) etc etc etc.

General Colin Powell is of Jamaican descent. Is he lauded as a Jamaican by those on the other side who wish to prop him up? Or just plain ole American...and Republican at that.

Canadian of Jamaican origin is a weak way of blaming Jamaicans for Canadian problems. How far back do you go to trace Jamaican origin? 2 or 3 generations? Any other qualifiers? Just one parent? If the other parent is Irish, stick with the Jamaican one for the label? Look at which parent is the mother or the father? Why not stick to born and raised Jamaicans and then label the rest what they are - Canadian? Most of those dudes have never even been to Jamaica.

I am not going to mention Canadian sport because you'll just auto file that under the less likely to finish high school

Shall we call Malcolm Gladwell a Jamaican?

I mean, what do you consider PK Subban???

Is Andre DeGrasse Trini or Bajan? Or is he just plain ole Canadian?

Maybe you should worry about black people as a whole instead of worrying about which corner of the globe some of them may come from. Maybe that way you can fix the problem. All those dudes I see popping up on my TV are probably just plain ole Afro-Canadians until you tell me they are immigrants.

Most people from The West Indies do not want Jamaicans in their country according to the news outlets from The Caribbean. It seems that The West is following suit.

LOL you just made a whole post tooting your own horn. Most Jamaicans I've spoken to admit there is a problem in your community that needs to be addressed, you are out touch with reality. Those same numbers from StatsCan are not identical to other black groups in Toronto. You want sweep the problem under the rug rather than address it.

The TDSB also recognized there was a problem with Somali youth not graduating so they decided to study the problem and make recommendations, Google it as it was a few years ago. I think this is a good idea.

 

[Charlemagne]

Another Saturday night in the GTA. Several shot and 3 dead (2 in Brampton and 1 in Scarborough). This is not the Brampton that your father knew.

Speaking of mall shootings, anybody remember Sheridan Mall? They chased the victim down and then proceeded to shoot him to death.
https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1200216

Looks like London England is also less safe now too. "Make London safe again."
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...o-allow-trump-baby-to-fly-above-a3923216.html

The suspect in The Brampton shooting is white btw.

 

[derrick76]

Most of your post sounds foolish but this one point is just plain bizarre

You make a false equation that higher population must equal higher number of criminals?

1- Other races (Chinese, Indian) have far more immigrants than Jamaica and yet none of them elect to contribute to criminal stats in anyway near as significant numbers
2- Jamaica is not even largest Caribbean pop for that matter (Cuba, Haiti, and DR are all way larger and yet, again not as big a crime issue)

It is a culture issue for places like Jamaica but trying to write it off by raw population as "expected" is absurd

If you are going to enter a convo then know what it's about before you end up looking like an idiot. This is not about the immigrants. This is addressing the population of Caribbean people, and most notably black Caribbean people, as it pertains to the crime they are committing.

Again, please learn to read and comprehend! Geez.

Then again, you had sympathy for an adult having sex with a 14 year old so I don't even know why I am bothering with you.

 

[derrick76]

.......and what’s the point??? Is it that Toronto has a gang problem that nobody is willing to admit because if they do admit it they’ll then have to deal with it in a meaningful way? Or is it that our politicians are scared shitless of having to take on BLM if the police are turned loose on the gangs? How about the other elephant in the room, the pipeline of illegal guns running through the reserves in he Cornwall/Montreal region. Anyone willing to take on the natives over that one?? I doubt it. But hey, let’s ban handguns because it’s low hanging fruit and the ones who turn their pistols in are not the ones doing the shooting, so that will be just another popcorn fart and nothing will change. The gangland shootings will continue unabated and politicians will continue scratching their empty heads wondering where we went wrong? Here’s a hint, killing TAVIS, ending street checks, removing resource officers from schools and the general malaise of not wanting to do anything
real.

I gave you the point. Re-read.

 

[derrick76]

Most people from The West Indies do not want Jamaicans in their country according to the news outlets from The Caribbean. It seems that The West is following suit.

LOL you just made a whole post tooting your own horn. Most Jamaicans I've spoken to admit there is a problem in your community that needs to be addressed, you are out touch with reality. Those same numbers from StatsCan are not identical to other black groups in Toronto. You want sweep the problem under the rug rather than address it.

The TDSB also recognized there was a problem with Somali youth not graduating so they decided to study the problem and make recommendations, Google it as it was a few years ago. I think this is a good idea.

Most people from the West Indies don't what? Then why are they recruiting professionals from Jamaica to come to their country? Same with the West. The recruitment drive is still going strong. It's what is contributing to what they call the 'brain drain' in both Jamaica and Guyana. The main thing the other Caribbean countries were fighting was letting Jamaican businesses in because they were jealous of prosperous Jamaicans making money in their country, just like how the Trinis tried to block Michael Lee-Chin setting up shop there; and Butch Stewart bringing Sandals to Barbados. Some of the citizens were also upset better educated and harder working Jamaicans came in and gained employment. Contrast this with their governments begging for their products to be sold in Jamaica (the biggest market for those EC countries).

Maybe you should read those papers a little more closely and read between the lines.

I made a post with facts and you can't counter that so you make up nonsense like a true bigot. You don't like the facts, but too bad.

You still cannot answer my questions because you know the truth deep down. Keep running scared and telling this message board lies.

PS: As for your LOL-ing. That sounds like someone else saying "LOL Read the USA papers. They don't want black people, Latinos or Muslims in their country and Canada is following suit." If you can't see the parallel between you and the bigots judge the majority based on the actions of a few then the joke is on you. You're what they some call a coon. Keep at it what "No massa, We not like them dudes over there sir, we's good peoples here sir."

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

And another person shot dead. This one was in broad daylight right near the Ex:

https://www.cp24.com/news/male-dead-after-shooting-at-park-near-downtown-waterfront-1.4077744

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

We need to be on the lookout for a man wearing a grey Nike hoodie with a black stripe on the chest. That's the only description they provide from a busy park in the daylight.

 

[Orion1027]

We need to be on the lookout for a man wearing a grey Nike hoodie with a black stripe on the chest. That's the only description they provide from a busy park in the daylight.

Like I said, nobody has the stomach or balls to tackle this problem because of the negative press it’ll generate. Had this been a gang war between the Italian or Russian mobs, the police would be all over it because “they look just like us” so there’s no notion of racism or racial profiling. Toronto is headed in th same direction and status of Baltimore, East St Louis or Detroit. Let’s keep up the good work of being inclusive and accepting and allow the shootings to continue unabated...... this could have been averted if we didn’t have such weak knee leadership

 

[lomotil]

No, this is not common knowledge. Only badmind utterances by those from the Eastern Caribbean who still blame Jamaicans for the failure of the West Indian Federation. Small minded.

There are far more Jamaicans or people of Jamaican origin than any other Caribbean people, so it stands to reason there would be more criminals. There are also far more accomplished ones like Michael Lee-Chin and the late G Raymond Chang, both of whom came to Canada as adults but are rarely referred to as Jamaicans, if at all...in the case of Chang...who isn't even a black Jamaican, just to illustrate how silly this is.

Your police chief is of Jamaican origin, but is he really a Jamaican? The man who he beat for the job (Peter Sloly) is from Jamaica though. So too the first black police chief of a major Canadian city - Devon Culnis (Winnipeg). Most of the newscasters, bank managers, doctors (related to and know a few of these) etc etc etc.

General Colin Powell is of Jamaican descent. Is he lauded as a Jamaican by those on the other side who wish to prop him up? Or just plain ole American...and Republican at that.

Canadian of Jamaican origin is a weak way of blaming Jamaicans for Canadian problems. How far back do you go to trace Jamaican origin? 2 or 3 generations? Any other qualifiers? Just one parent? If the other parent is Irish, stick with the Jamaican one for the label? Look at which parent is the mother or the father? Why not stick to born and raised Jamaicans and then label the rest what they are - Canadian? Most of those dudes have never even been to Jamaica.

I am not going to mention Canadian sport because you'll just auto file that under the less likely to finish high school

Shall we call Malcolm Gladwell a Jamaican?

I mean, what do you consider PK Subban???

Is Andre DeGrasse Trini or Bajan? Or is he just plain ole Canadian?

Maybe you should worry about black people as a whole instead of worrying about which corner of the globe some of them may come from. Maybe that way you can fix the problem. All those dudes I see popping up on my TV are probably just plain ole Afro-Canadians until you tell me they are immigrants.

The Jamaican gene pool is diverse, mostly African but quite alot of UK genes, some Hakka Chinese and India in the mix as well . It is in obviously in vogue in some circles in Canada to link crimes with ethnicity but to conveniently ignore hybridization when the conditions are right.

 

[canada-man]

Most people from The West Indies do not want Jamaicans in their country according to the news outlets from The Caribbean. It seems that The West is following suit.

LOL you just made a whole post tooting your own horn. Most Jamaicans I've spoken to admit there is a problem in your community that needs to be addressed, you are out touch with reality. Those same numbers from StatsCan are not identical to other black groups in Toronto. You want sweep the problem under the rug rather than address it.

The TDSB also recognized there was a problem with Somali youth not graduating so they decided to study the problem and make recommendations, Google it as it was a few years ago. I think this is a good idea.

eh em!

An estimated 30,000 Jamaicans legally reside in other CARICOM member states,[26] mainly in the Bahamas (5,600),[27] Antigua & Barbuda (estimated 12,000),[28] Barbados and Trinidad & Tobago).[26] Also, an estimated 150 Jamaicans live and work in Montserrat.[28

 

[Smallcock]

The Jamaican gene pool is diverse, mostly African but quite alot of UK genes, some Hakka Chinese and India in the mix as well . It is in obviously in vogue in some circles in Canada to link crimes with ethnicity but to conveniently ignore hybridization when the conditions are right.

True, Jamaican genetic admixture is on average 75% African 25% European/other (native), which is similar to the genetic composition of Black Americans. Conversely, in places like Haiti the admixture is 95% African.

 

[Smallcock]

Like I said, nobody has the stomach or balls to tackle this problem because of the negative press it’ll generate. Had this been a gang war between the Italian or Russian mobs, the police would be all over it because “they look just like us” so there’s no notion of racism or racial profiling. Toronto is headed in th same direction and status of Baltimore, East St Louis or Detroit. Let’s keep up the good work of being inclusive and accepting and allow the shootings to continue unabated...... this could have been averted if we didn’t have such weak knee leadership

We should be mindful and honest but at the same time not alarmist. Toronto homicide rates are nowhere near places like Detroit or Baltimore. There is a reason why the average house in Toronto costs a million dollars while you can pick up a house in Detroit for $5k.

 

[TeeJay]

We should be mindful and honest but at the same time not alarmist. Toronto homicide rates are nowhere near places like Detroit or Baltimore. There is a reason why the average house in Toronto costs a million dollars while you can pick up a house in Detroit for $5k.

Oh cmon the $5K houses in Detroit would also sell for $5K in Toronto
Have you *seen* what condition most of them are in??? Check out the pics

Not to mention threat of bank repossession, squatters, fire damage, utility bills etc

https://www.realtor.com/realestatea...comb-St_Detroit_MI_48214_M41254-78579?view=qv
https://www.realtor.com/realestatea...nade-St_Detroit_MI_48224_M41887-88341?view=qv
https://www.realtor.com/realestatea...dale-St_Detroit_MI_48217_M30641-76024?view=qv
https://www.realtor.com/realestatea...t_Highland-Park_MI_48203_M35969-89246?view=qv

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

^^^^ no they wouldnt, the land alone would cost you half a mill in Toronto

 

[TeeJay]

^^^^ no they wouldnt, the land alone would cost you half a mill in Toronto

No it would not
Because said land has an entire street of houses that look like that

Many of them with no services (Detroit has shut off utilities and no longer provides services such as garbage collection or snow clearing)

If any area of Toronto was so distressed it would be valueless
We already saw a HUGE drop in Toronto real estate prices just last year over tiny changes to rules and interest

 

[Ref]

https://www.realtor.com/realestatea...comb-St_Detroit_MI_48214_M41254-78579?view=qv

Handyman special - LOL!

 

[Smallcock]

No it would not
Because said land has an entire street of houses that look like that

Many of them with no services (Detroit has shut off utilities and no longer provides services such as garbage collection or snow clearing)

If any area of Toronto was so distressed it would be valueless
We already saw a HUGE drop in Toronto real estate prices just last year over tiny changes to rules and interest

That's the point - Toronto is NOT like Detroit. Not even close. Never will be in your lifetime.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No it would not
Because said land has an entire street of houses that look like that

Many of them with no services (Detroit has shut off utilities and no longer provides services such as garbage collection or snow clearing)

If any area of Toronto was so distressed it would be valueless
We already saw a HUGE drop in Toronto real estate prices just last year over tiny changes to rules and interest

If you can find me land like that costs less then $500K in Toronto please let me know, buddy.

I'll be on that like a motherfucker :nod:

 

[SWP]

It's a well known fact that most of these guys are Jamaican and Somali for the most part, the local Toronto caribbean newspapers mention this quite a bit as those from the "black" community do know this, as do the police. It's also a very well known fact that these groups also have high drop out rates from secondary school. Being politically correct does not help this situation, being CORRECT does. Obviously there is a specific problem that is affecting these two groups that is not prevalent in other "black" groups for whatever reason.

Why are guys who are of Trinidadian, Guyanese, Grenadian, Bajan, Ghanian, Nigerian, South African (etc, etc) not as heavily represented in the same crimes that Jamaican and Somali's are?

Cause Jamaicans adopted white-trash culture from Scots-Irish peoples.

 

[SWP]

That is not proof. Caribbean newspapers with probably one artice written by a Trini or a Bajan giving their opinion rather than facts? How are these guys Jamaicans? THese guys we see on the news being arrested recently. Are they from Jamaica?

Jamaicans are among, if not the, most educated and accomplished Caribbean people in Toronto. More than Trinis, Grenadian, Guyanese and Bajans. The population of Barbados, Grenada and Trinidad and TObago added up still doesn't reach Jamaica's. And I believe there are far more Jamaicans in Canada than all of those put together. By the way - Many Trinis in crime here. They even seem to be able to find Canadians to kill in T&T. Open your eyes. Are you Trini? Sure hope not.

It's not about being politically correct or not. It's about being factual. How are some of these guys Jamaican?? How are you different from others on TERB? They say it's not all the humans. It's the black ones. You say it's not all the black ones, it's the Jamaican and Somali ones. What next? We wait for Canada Man to say it's not al the Jamaican ones, just the ones for West Kingston?

Testing one-two. Let me see if I understand you. What is PK Subban? What is Andre DeGrasse? What is General Colin Powell?

Maybe Guyanese, but not Trini, Bajans or SVG in terms of education and economic attainment.