Blue Jays 2018 Season (Good Riddance 2017)

[Perry Mason]

Actually, Cleveland makes a lot of sense.

The Indians are practically guaranteed into the post season. No one in the Central Division is going to catch them. Their need is not "urgent." They don't need Donaldson to produce immediately. He has a month to get in shape for the post season...

I expect that he will prove he still has a lot to offer. I wish him the best of luck. He could be just what the Indians need to win the WS!

Perry

 

[Dawgger]

Granderson traded as well, rumored going to the Brewers

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Indians took a chance on JD.
Smart move I think, since he's fairly young.

No return players known as of right now.

I will miss him

 

[Zoot Allures]

Totally fucked up. They could have moved him a couple of years ago and got a bunch for him, Happ, Estrada etc instead they kept them in a foolish move to fill seats when the writing was clearly on the wall that we were not a serious contender


Now what? A couple of hotshots in the minors but little pitching . Can anyone see a bright future ?


Good move by Indians to excite fans and if he can heal by playoffs he could definitley help if he gets hot


Best move Jays ever made was to trade for JD. Worse was to keep him too long

 

[Insidious Von]

I'm pissed! Why didn't they trade him to the Yankees for Aaron Judge?

 

[mandrill]

Totally fucked up. They could have moved him a couple of years ago and got a bunch for him, Happ, Estrada etc instead they kept them in a foolish move to fill seats when the writing was clearly on the wall that we were not a serious contender


Now what? A couple of hotshots in the minors but little pitching . Can anyone see a bright future ?


Good move by Indians to excite fans and if he can heal by playoffs he could definitley help if he gets hot


Best move Jays ever made was to trade for JD. Worse was to keep him too long

Another member of the "wise after the fact" club .

JD could have been traded for major return at any point this season - IF he was unhurt and playing like the JD of 2015. No one foresaw that he might be injured continuously this year.

 

[Insidious Von]

Shapeyero made it clear last December that Donaldson was not returning for 2019, what happened falls on him. I don't expect him or Atkins to be around long, Rogers are too impatient.

They are even more to blame for this fiasco, they wanted another shot at the playoffs when the numbers showed they weren't good enough.

 

[HOLLYWOODG]

This is a horrible trade. All the Jays got back is the Indians paying $1 M of Donaldson's $23 M contract and a player to be named later who will likely be an average prospect at best.

Given Shapiro and Atkins connection to Cleveland I wonder who they were working for when they orchestrated this trade.

If I am the Rogers board they both get axed at the end of the season and we bring in new guys to rebuild.

Both Shapiro and Atkins failed miserably in determining what direction to take with this franchise. It's time for them to go. We really missed the boat on restocking our farm system with some of the valuable talent we had.

 

[black booty lover]

This is a horrible trade. All the Jays got back is the Indians paying $1 M of Donaldson's $23 M contract and a player to be named later who will likely be an average prospect at best.

Given Shapiro and Atkins connection to Cleveland I wonder who they were working for when they orchestrated this trade.

If I am the Rogers board they both get axed at the end of the season and we bring in new guys to rebuild.

Both Shapiro and Atkins failed miserably in determining what direction to take with this franchise. It's time for them to go. We really missed the boat on restocking our farm system with some of the valuable talent we had.

They will not get axed at season end, and weather the future looks bright or not, they get 5 years to show what they can do. That gives them two more years. I don't think in AA's third year, people were saying "the future looks bright".

 

[HOLLYWOODG]

They will not get axed at season end, and weather the future looks bright or not, they get 5 years to show what they can do. That gives them two more years. I don't think in AA's third year, people were saying "the future looks bright".

But AA did not make the same blunders these guys did in his third year. These guys have very bad judgment. There are so many holes to fill in this roster and we are getting worse by the day.

 

[Nad Smith]

hey Jays also get increased attendance for this weeks series against Cleveland. Stub Hub rejoices

 

[Ref]

This is a horrible trade. All the Jays got back is the Indians paying $1 M of Donaldson's $23 M contract and a player to be named later who will likely be an average prospect at best.

Given Shapiro and Atkins connection to Cleveland I wonder who they were working for when they orchestrated this trade.

If I am the Rogers board they both get axed at the end of the season and we bring in new guys to rebuild.

Both Shapiro and Atkins failed miserably in determining what direction to take with this franchise. It's time for them to go. We really missed the boat on restocking our farm system with some of the valuable talent we had.

Given the lateness of the opportunity to trade an asset that most teams were not certain if there would be any type of return on, they probably got the best they could.

They rolled the dice by signing him that come the trade deadline he would have been a much sought after player, but injuries fucked that up. A million plus a fringe possibility is better than watching him pout on the bench the rest of the year.

I am glad he was traded and I think it is worth the gamble by Cleveland. Donaldson is a gamer and wants to win. He motivates those around him and will bust a gut to win.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Jays got some Canadian kid in return for Granderson:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=orimol001dem

 

[shack]

I am glad he was traded and I think it is worth the gamble by Cleveland. Donaldson is a gamer and wants to win. He motivates those around him and will bust a gut to win.

And that is why I think he was worth a qualifying offer for next year.

 

[black booty lover]

But AA did not make the same blunders these guys did in his third year. These guys have very bad judgment. There are so many holes to fill in this roster and we are getting worse by the day.

It doesn't matter, they get 5 years. In 2020 if this teams sucks, these guy will be gone. It doesn't matter if the future looks bright or dim, it's what happens in the future.

 

[Dawgger]

It doesn't matter, they get 5 years. In 2020 if this teams sucks, these guy will be gone. It doesn't matter if the future looks bright or dim, it's what happens in the future.

caught the ass end of a interview with Atkins and he was indicating it would be 3 years before the Jays would be competitive again.

 

[mandrill]

And that is why I think he was worth a qualifying offer for next year.

The issue was that the offer would be $18 million and JD might accept and not be able to play next year - or not play up to his past potential.

With VG Jr possibly starting at 3B next year, JD was a walk-away in the Jay's plans.

 

[HOLLYWOODG]

And that is why I think he was worth a qualifying offer for next year.

Excellent point. If he redeemed himself next year the Jays may have also been able to trade him at the deadline for something meaningful.

I really think Atkins and Shapiro are friggin idiots.

 

[mandrill]

caught the ass end of a interview with Atkins and he was indicating it would be 3 years before the Jays would be competitive again.

Various nuances. First Bosox appear to be a generational team this year. How long are they going to be this good?

Second, NYY also appears potentially very good. And very YOUNG. The Yanks appear to have netted about 50% of the potential superstar rookies in MLB. The Yanks could be as good as the Bosox - and for a very long time.

Third. The Jays no longer have a starting rotation that can play in the major leagues. Who saw THAT coming? And how long is it going to last?

The position players and hitters are not bad. Grichuk is coming along nicely. Gurriel is promising. Hernandez has regressed, but could come around w work. Travis is improving. And Diaz looks quite decent. In a normal division and with good pitching, I could make a pennant run with those guys - and VG Jr and his buddies - next year or the year after. But how are they going to stack up against the Yanks and Sox and where is the pitching going to come from if Sanchez, Stro and Estrada are all done?

 

[shack]

The issue was that the offer would be $18 million and JD might accept and not be able to play next year - or not play up to his past potential.

With VG Jr possibly starting at 3B next year, JD was a walk-away in the Jay's plans.

IMO, I think he was worth that gamble. Last year and a half notwithstanding, he has been very durable and I think that there is an excellent chance of a rebound year. Dump Morales and his salary, play JD at first/DH (much easier on his body) along with Smoak.

I feel he has a lot of productivity left (I'd speculate 20-25 HR, .270 and 85 RBIs) and a mentor to the youngsters. And if they sign him and trade him next year, they'd probably get a much better return.

I have not heard where his injuries are career ending.

I think shapeero would be more than happy if there were zero players that were acquired by AA. A total purge.