Ford Scraps New Sex Ed

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This sex-ed curriculum was supposed to embrace all different genders and same sex marriage. Ontario public schools will revert for now to the 1998 curriculum, a 42-page document that refers to the Internet as the “World Wide Web,” conjuring an era when social media and cyber-bullying were unknown to most parents. Going back in time has drawn concern from educators. Many consider it a disservice to students, and some are saying they will continue teaching the 2015 curriculum.

Sam Hammond, the president of the Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario (ETFO), said in a statement that teachers can use their “professional judgement” when delivering the 1998 curriculum and “what things they may explore with students above and beyond” the old document. “ETFO will need to review the situation as to how teachers can deliver the old curriculum while still protecting the safety of students,” he said.

Obviously Ford does not have a clue as to the modern times and how children have been evolving through the sex education. He is stuck in the previous century, while teasing as well as bullying of kids that are "transgender" and "gay" are on the decline. Now we could see that change once again.

Ford only has the knowledge and experience of "illegal" marijuana. There are certain QA standards that the marijuana has to meet before going on to the market. Well his family has a certain history that to me is worrying considering that they were addicted to drugs, and associated with mobs and even the extreme right wing racists. Not calling him personally as a racist but there are certain stances that he is taking that explains his political motives.

Per the sex ed curriculum, unfortunately you are fighting on behalf of adults who have their shorts twisted in a knot on this issue. The kids, whom this program is aimed at, do not give a shit. It is the adults who are all perplexed over this. It is the adults who are having trouble understanding the new sexuality that is out there. It is the adults who are trapped between the new world of sexuality and their own values and/or culture. The kids are fine. They are probably laughing at the old people. The kids are the only sane group in this argument.

Per illegal drugs, please give your head a shake. Doug may have been a hash dealer back in day. Big fucking deal. He wasn't Pablo Escobar, he was a small time dealer selling enough so he smoked for free. The Ford family itself has had its skeletons dragged out on public display. Aside from his hash dealing days as a youngster I have not heard of any addictions or other nefarious things relating to Doug (have you?). I personally have a cousin who has done time in jail, have had other relatives who were alcoholics, no doubt there must have been a wife beater and drug addict in that mix, but what does that have to do with me and my ability to perform my current job? Absolutely nothing! Same as Doug Ford.

Hatred is a nasty emotion because it is so easy to vent because it feels good. Hatred is a drug in itself.

 

[JohnLarue]

I said according to the charges.
I'm sure we won't know for sure until the court case, unless Doug settles out of court.

And until then he is presumed to be innocent like everyone else.
Please slither away now

 

[Frankfooter]

And until then he is presumed to be innocent like everyone else.

I assume you also say the same thing about any 'groping' claims against Trudeau?

 

[bver_hunter]

Per the sex ed curriculum, unfortunately you are fighting on behalf of adults who have their shorts twisted in a knot on this issue. The kids, whom this program is aimed at, do not give a shit. It is the adults who are all perplexed over this. It is the adults who are having trouble understanding the new sexuality that is out there. It is the adults who are trapped between the new world of sexuality and their own values and/or culture. The kids are fine. They are probably laughing at the old people. The kids are the only sane group in this argument.

Per illegal drugs, please give your head a shake. Doug may have been a hash dealer back in day. Big fucking deal. He wasn't Pablo Escobar, he was a small time dealer selling enough so he smoked for free. The Ford family itself has had its skeletons dragged out on public display. Aside from his hash dealing days as a youngster I have not heard of any addictions or other nefarious things relating to Doug (have you?). I personally have a cousin who has done time in jail, have had other relatives who were alcoholics, no doubt there must have been a wife beater and drug addict in that mix, but what does that have to do with me and my ability to perform my current job? Absolutely nothing! Same as Doug Ford.

Hatred is a nasty emotion because it is so easy to vent because it feels good. Hatred is a drug in itself.

Maybe you should give your head a very big shake. Do you know the number of people losing their lives thanks to the quality of some of these illegal drugs sold on the street. Here you are making excuses for what is a crime.... selling these drugs. At one time the right wingers were even criticizing the PM for saying that he once smoked this marijuana. He was not addicted to it, but all of us have tried it, as it was available. Just stop making excuses for Dumb Ford's illegal activities. But you are telling me that without consulting the school teachers etc, his lack of education makes him an expert on pulling out a sex-ed plan that seems to make children aware of transgenders and gays and to treat them the same as anyone else. Is that right?? What has that got to do with alcoholics?? Anyway, you right wingers make excuses for someones past crimes but in the case of the PM, where there was no evidence of crime, all you right wingers want him to resign, step down and goodness knows what else. Am just digging out the hypocrisy that exists with all the right wingers!! It is very simple to do so.

 

[Boober69]

Maybe you should give your head a very big shake. Do you know the number of people losing their lives thanks to the quality of some of these illegal drugs sold on the street. Here you are making excuses for what is a crime.... selling these drugs. At one time the right wingers were even criticizing the PM for saying that he once smoked this marijuana. He was not addicted to it, but all of us have tried it, as it was available. Just stop making excuses for Dumb Ford's illegal activities. But you are telling me that without consulting the school teachers etc, his lack of education makes him an expert on pulling out a sex-ed plan that seems to make children aware of transgenders and gays and to treat them the same as anyone else. Is that right?? What has that got to do with alcoholics?? Anyway, you right wingers make excuses for someones past crimes but in the case of the PM, where there was no evidence of crime, all you right wingers want him to resign, step down and goodness knows what else. Am just digging out the hypocrisy that exists with all the right wingers!! It is very simple to do so.

You mention “crime” but no charges.
How does that work?

 

[Polaris]

Actually you are likely to be completely wrong. Any competent parent takes information from experts, regardless if they have children themselves.

Doctors, police officers, nurses, psychologists, teachers, etc.. to throw out a blanket statement that one has to shut up if they don’t have kids is just ignorant or combative.

The world is getting stupider and antivaxxers and racism can’t be curbed if only the parents are the ultimate judges to how to function in society.

I think that is completely wrong to believe a parent takes anyone else word over their own, on what they decide what is best for their child.

Furthermore, the results of this election, and that the people complaining about the sex ed are not the parents, that is all we really need to know.

Experts have a say. The parent has the final say. Ford was elected. End of story.

 

[Polaris]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

There's shit loads of bad parents out there. Abusive parents, deadbeat parents, superstitious parents, religious whack job parents, over protective parents, missing parents, uninformed parents, ignorant parents, racist parents, the list is endless.

As a progressive western society we are supposed to be able to come up with a system for sex education that is based in reality and not the way it should be.

As far as the "new sex Ed" goes, only one of my kids is still at that level and frankly she is far more informed and knowledgeable about the issue than the program itself. I'm not worried about her. I only worry about my sons being stung in a me too moment. That's what I worry about and I tell them they need to be so fucking careful in how they behave. It's not like it was for me when I was in university when no meant try harder.

What the hell is wrong with YOU???

If you are a deviant, then you are a deviant.

But to suggest that this person is a wife beater, or that parent abuses their kid, that is gross.

Give me frigging break.

I'll give you a clue. People have kids, because they see hope, they see hope in the world. They see hope for their kids. Hope for the future.

Not this kind darkest you're pushing.

No fucking thanks, thank you.

 

[Ref]

Maybe you should give your head a very big shake. Do you know the number of people losing their lives thanks to the quality of some of these illegal drugs sold on the street. Here you are making excuses for what is a crime.... selling these drugs. At one time the right wingers were even criticizing the PM for saying that he once smoked this marijuana. He was not addicted to it, but all of us have tried it, as it was available. Just stop making excuses for Dumb Ford's illegal activities. But you are telling me that without consulting the school teachers etc, his lack of education makes him an expert on pulling out a sex-ed plan that seems to make children aware of transgenders and gays and to treat them the same as anyone else. Is that right?? What has that got to do with alcoholics?? Anyway, you right wingers make excuses for someones past crimes but in the case of the PM, where there was no evidence of crime, all you right wingers want him to resign, step down and goodness knows what else. Am just digging out the hypocrisy that exists with all the right wingers!! It is very simple to do so.

Please quote me some statistics on the number of people losing their lives over marijuana. This is what Ford was dealing, not hard drugs (even the well researched articles noted that). I do not care if any politician has smoked weed. I am not making excuses that he was doing something illegal in selling weed. The big thing is I do not care that he was doing it whereas after 30 plus years this issue still bothers you. Doug did not campaign on having zero tolerance towards marijuana nor did he trumpet that he was against people who have been marijuana dealers. If he had, then I would look at the evidence and call him a hypocrite.

If you would turn off your anger for a moment you should have read that I am not a fan of Ford pulling back the new education reforms and returning to the old format. As I have written, this issue is causing stress among adults, not the kids. You are hell bent on keeping the new curriculum whereas I couldn't care less what curriculum there is because the kids will figure it out themselves. Homosexuality and transgenderism is the new norm for today's kids and they will easily adapt to that norm. They have no agenda, religion or personal bias whereas the adults are carrying that baggage and are experiencing the angst that goes with change.

As per our beloved PM, let's keep his indiscretions in the groping thread okay?

 

[Polaris]

And I guess we shouldn't allow doctors to treat traumatic injuries unless they've been shot or stabbed, no more male OBGYNs since they've never given birth, and no more funeral directors or morticians unless they've been dead before.

Having seen how some parents raise their kids, maybe they shouldn't have that right either. Blowing your load in a woman doesn't make you suddenly become a competent parent and thankfully the government is willing to step in and try and fix some of the problems bad parents cause.

And better the kids learn stuff from a well trained person rather than just perpetuating whatever idiocy their parents learned in the previous century.

Would you for once stop insulting people and parents who voted for Ford, and decimated the Liberals.

They voted for Ford. He won.

Just more sour grapes.

 

[bver_hunter]

You mention “crime” but no charges.
How does that work?

So stealing if you are not caught is not a crime, because you have got away with it. Yes / No??

 

[Polaris]

IF you are a parent (and I have two kids) then where does this BS about "what is best for their kid" get mixed up with sex ed? Schools do NOT raise your kid, unless you are a bad/lazy parent. If you do your job as a parent then school is just ONE influence in a world filled with many. The notion that killing this curriculum somehow is in kids' best interests is burying your head in the sand.

One question. You do not have to answer.

Do you have a kitchen table.

Do you ever discuss with family members what happened at school/work today at the kitchen table.

Does the state override the kitchen table? I doubt it.

 

[bver_hunter]

Please quote me some statistics on the number of people losing their lives over marijuana. This is what Ford was dealing, not hard drugs (even the well researched articles noted that). I do not care if any politician has smoked weed. I am not making excuses that he was doing something illegal in selling weed. The big thing is I do not care that he was doing it whereas after 30 plus years this issue still bothers you. Doug did not campaign on having zero tolerance towards marijuana nor did he trumpet that he was against people who have been marijuana dealers. If he had, then I would look at the evidence and call him a hypocrite.

If you would turn off your anger for a moment you should have read that I am not a fan of Ford pulling back the new education reforms and returning to the old format. As I have written, this issue is causing stress among adults, not the kids. You are hell bent on keeping the new curriculum whereas I couldn't care less what curriculum there is because the kids will figure it out themselves. Homosexuality and transgenderism is the new norm for today's kids and they will easily adapt to that norm. They have no agenda, religion or personal bias whereas the adults are carrying that baggage and are experiencing the angst that goes with change.

As per our beloved PM, let's keep his indiscretions in the groping thread okay?

Who cares about the zero tolerance, as you are the one who brings it up. Thirty years ago is no big deal, but about twenty years ago is a very big deal to you and the rest of the right wingers. You guys display your anger from day 1 of Trudeau's inauguration. So stop being hypocritical as you guys did go on and on about how he was incapable to be a PM but only got in because of his name......Duh this Dumb Ford who is less educated and has zero political experience, but has the "Ford" name that actually got him elected. But if he is criticized, suddenly it is "hatred". This is the biggest level of hypocrisy.

Health effects of moldy and poor quality marijuana:

https://mmjdoctoronline.com/health-news/why-smoking-moldy-weed-is-bad-bad-news

Dangers of driving for People impaired with Marijuana are twice as likely to be involved in fatal crashes:

https://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e536

You are hell bent on keeping the new curriculum whereas I couldn't care less what curriculum there is because the kids will figure it out themselves

That is a very ridiculous statement. Really, why not let kids decide it then?? Why do we have so much of bullying and kids committing suicides as they were gay / transgender, not comfortable with themselves etc. We have to come up with a sex-ed curriculum that kids are going to learn from and help grow their respect for all types of kids. Not one that panders to certain very old fundamental conservative values that has not been inclusive to all the kids.

 

[wigglee]

Beaver - Great post on the history of the Fords. With marijuana becoming legal in October our new premier certainly has the knowledge and experience of the drug trade to make better informed decisions on how to manage the provincial program. He also brings in some street cred (though it may now be outdated).

I will not dispute Ford's past as I experienced it in a different town. There were the local dealers and the game was pretty much the same, just different players. Afghanistan gold seal black hash was all the rage and as the article stated, someone stole the triple beam scale at our high school (no doubt dealers).

In my opinion, the Ford brothers were just another family growing up in Ontario. They each had their own personalities and no doubt differences in the family, just like many people had. Aside from dealing drugs, which was illegal at the time, at least they were not cannibalistic murderers.

I know that people have a serious hate on for him and it is hard for them to get past that hate.

Looking at him now, he appears to be normal and has a good looking family of girls. His immediate kids seem normal and I have not heard of any drama/bull shit about his wife or kids. If he was a fucked up person, chances are his own kids would follow suit. That does not seem to be the case.

Normal? Is it normal for a political leader to be a homophobic greaser with zero communication skills in 2018? The guy sounds like Tracy Morgan when he speaks ( which is ok for a comedian but not for a Premier).

 

[Ref]

Normal? Is it normal for a political leader to be a homophobic greaser with zero communication skills in 2018? The guy sounds like Tracy Morgan when he speaks ( which is ok for a comedian but not for a Premier).

Can you provide some examples of where Ford has exhibited homophobic behaviors as premier? Changing a curriculum is not an example. I am looking for examples such as "we need to wipe out homosexuality" or "death to all fags". Something concrete.

 

[Ref]

Who cares about the zero tolerance, as you are the one who brings it up. Thirty years ago is no big deal, but about twenty years ago is a very big deal to you and the rest of the right wingers. You guys display your anger from day 1 of Trudeau's inauguration. So stop being hypocritical as you guys did go on and on about how he was incapable to be a PM but only got in because of his name......Duh this Dumb Ford who is less educated and has zero political experience, but has the "Ford" name that actually got him elected. But if he is criticized, suddenly it is "hatred". This is the biggest level of hypocrisy.

Health effects of moldy and poor quality marijuana:

https://mmjdoctoronline.com/health-news/why-smoking-moldy-weed-is-bad-bad-news

Dangers of driving for People impaired with Marijuana are twice as likely to be involved in fatal crashes:

https://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.e536



That is a very ridiculous statement. Really, why not let kids decide it then?? Why do we have so much of bullying and kids committing suicides as they were gay / transgender, not comfortable with themselves etc. We have to come up with a sex-ed curriculum that kids are going to learn from and help grow their respect for all types of kids. Not one that panders to certain very old fundamental conservative values that has not been inclusive to all the kids.

Let's keep the Trudeau vs. Ford comparisons to the appropriate thread(s) okay?

Per your marijuana concerns I agree with you. I think we have rushed into this whole legalization process don't you? For instance, how are we going to measure marijuana in people that are suspected to be driving under the influence? I also share your concerns with "street weed", however that business will never go away. The new rules around legalization also state that people will be allowed to grow up to four plants. How is quality and/or mold issues going to be addressed with that?

Question - Are you content with legalizing marijuana or do you think it should be delayed until all governments and society in general is ready to have it legalized?

You are confusing yourself with sex ed and bullying. Kids have taught themselves and will continue to do so. The basics on sex ed will not change as it covers the reproductive process. As kids grow and develop they are aware of homosexuality and transgenderism and it becomes part of their normal (my dad would not have understood what I was taught in school, just as our generation will be concerned). But kids learn way more on the playground, television, internet and from siblings as this is reality and not a text book version of things.

Bullying is a completely separate topic. It has been around since man had someone to pick on and it will never go away. When I was young the typical kids that were bullied were fat kids, ugly kids, poor kids, stupid kids and kids from different ethnic backgrounds. In today's world that group now includes kids who are gay or transgendered. You mention that suicides are way up, even though our educational system has supposedly implemented zero tolerance bullying programs. Why is that? It is because human behavior in kids will not change. We are who we are. I understand your angst (and maybe you were bullied as a youngster), but basic human behaviors will not change. Parents who feel their child is being bullied or segregated due to their beliefs are responsible for taking control of the situation and managing it. The school system is not.

Again, think back to when you were a kid. The environment has changed, but kid behaviors are still the same.

 

[basketcase]

In this day and age do you really think that any anti-homosexual group has enough power to sway the majority of kids over to their agenda? ....

Parents do. Good thing schools still talk about treating people with respect and "liberal" media is helping to sway the predominant cultural viewpoint.

'But I have way more faith in urban youth than I do in the old fashioned politicians of Ford's.

 

[basketcase]

Per the sex ed curriculum, unfortunately you are fighting on behalf of adults who have their shorts twisted in a knot on this issue. The kids, whom this program is aimed at, do not give a shit. ...

I'm still amazed at this viewpoint. Do you really think that kids learn this stuff through osmosis? As I said before the stories I've heard show a massive amount of ignorance from high school students. Unfortunately not all kids have well informed and open minded parents who they feel comfortable talking with..

 

[basketcase]

Would you for once stop insulting people and parents who voted for Ford, and decimated the Liberals.

They voted for Ford. He won.

Just more sour grapes.

Umm...I didn't make any comment about Ford voters or the elction. I guess that diversion means you are unable to address any of the points I made.

Thankfully we have schools, children's aid, and other services to help kids overcome the outdated views of less than capable parents (or even the well meaning but poorly informed ones).

 

[Ref]

Parents do. Good thing schools still talk about treating people with respect and "liberal" media is helping to sway the predominant cultural viewpoint.

'But I have way more faith in urban youth than I do in the old fashioned politicians of Ford's.

There are good parents and bad parents out there, plus there are good teachers and bad teachers. They do not all agree on the same thing and will slant the topic towards their view/opinion. Schools have always had a basis of respect and saying that the "Liberal" media is helping to sway that is utter bull shit. Main stream media networks that are both left and right leaning understand the values of respect.

I have more faith in youth than I do in any politician.

 

[Ref]

I'm still amazed at this viewpoint. Do you really think that kids learn this stuff through osmosis? As I said before the stories I've heard show a massive amount of ignorance from high school students. Unfortunately not all kids have well informed and open minded parents who they feel comfortable talking with..

Do you remember how you learned about sex ed when you were young? For me it was not through the school (maybe it was osmosis). Kids today have so much information at their fingertips. It amazes me to hear from you that there are tons of kids who are that ignorant - About the subject and/or how to learn it about it on their own. Maybe you are right and the education system is letting the kids down.