Canadians Now Paying Lower Income Taxes Than Americans, OECD Data Shows

[oldjones]

Even if it was 10%, which it isn't close to, it's still 43% higher than the average US rate. That isn't far off in your books? You are no doubt a Liberal.

However, the average sales tax rate in Canada's 10 provinces is 12.9% which is 84% higher than the average sales tax rate in the United States.

Goodness you forget what you said fast. You carefully stated above that the "Average state/local sales tax rate is approx 7%". So the proper comparison is the Canadian provincial/local rate. Which is 8% in Ontario.

Now you're wanting to say it's about total sales tax, comparing our federal/provincial/local average with the US federal/state/local tax averages. Forgetting that you've changed the terms and are ignoring that the US doesn't have a federal sales tax (but does have many municipal sales taxes levied by cities, where we don't).

When the countries are so different, it certainly makes more sense to compare a general category than specifics, but do remember it was your idea to compare our Mac apples to their Navel oranges when you really should have discussed fruit in general. It's good you got there at last, but slagging people for addressing your own topic and not keeping up with your shifts makes you look bad.
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PS: Don't I remember Donny musing about a federal consumption/sales tax, during the primary debates, as a good way to get the US out of the deficits he and the GOP just added to?

 

[Frankfooter]

Even if it was 10%, which it isn't close to, it's still 43% higher than the average US rate. That isn't far off in your books? You are no doubt a Liberal.

However, the average sales tax rate in Canada's 10 provinces is 12.9% which is 84% higher than the average sales tax rate in the United States.

Do the math, we have 4 provinces with 0 sales tax.

 

[JohnLarue]

I divided by the number of provinces, as they calculate avg sales taxes in the states.
If you can find other comparisons where they divide by population you can make your point.
Otherwise you're just trying to move the goal posts.

Feel free to add up those sales taxes and divide by the number of provinces and check my numbers.

Oh Boy. I like I said

frankfooter tried to pull a fast one by averaging each of province & territory sales tax evenly or if you feel he is trustworthy then the only explanation left is that he is just plain stupid

So you weighted the sales rate in the Yukon the same as Ontario and Quebec?????
Any chances the dollar sales volume in the Yukon is the same as from Ontario ?

Kitchener alone likely generates more sales than the Yukon

All the provinces & territories pay a min GST of 5%
Only Alberta & the territories have zero provincial sales tax (what maybe 10-15% of the population in total)
All the rest pay 10% or higher
the biggies Quebec @ 15%, BC @ 12% and Ont @ 13% all pay 12% or higher
Since Ont , B.C. & Que represent 60% of the population and therefore the sales, it is mathematically impossible that the average Canadian pays less than 12% sales tax

We had to solve problems like this in grade eight, but you want me to produce a web reference??

So clearly your math skills are not even at a high school level, or you were just plain lying & hoping nobody would check?

it is one or the other, so why should anyone trust you when you claim "Canadians have a lower tax burden than the Americans"?

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh Boy. I like I said


So you weighted the sales rate in the Yukon the same as Ontario and Quebec?????
Any chances the dollar sales volume in the Yukon is the same as from Ontario ?

Kitchener alone likely generates more sales than the Yukon

All the provinces & territories pay a min GST of 5%
Only Alberta & the territories have zero provincial sales tax (what maybe 10-15% of the population in total)
All the rest pay 10% or higher
the biggies Quebec @ 15%, BC @ 12% and Ont @ 13% all pay 12% or higher
Since Ont , B.C. & Que represent 60% of the population and therefore the sales, it is mathematically impossible that the average Canadian pays less than 12% sales tax

We had to solve problems like this in grade eight, but you want me to produce a web reference??

So clearly your math skills are not even at a high school level, or you were just plain lying & hoping nobody would check?

it is one or the other, so why should anyone trust you when you claim "Canadians have a lower tax burden than the Americans"?

Like I said, if you can prove that stats used in the US or elsewhere for comparison are similarly weighted then you have a case.
Otherwise you're just whining about having lost another point.

 

[JohnLarue]

Like I said, if you can prove that stats used in the US or elsewhere for comparison are similarly weighted then you have a case.
Otherwise you're just whining about having lost another point.

How stupid are you ??

This is very basic high school math you can not seem to understand and choose to just ignore
WTF ???
But for you the truth is not important is it?

Your the same lying bullshit artist who claims he fully understands the atmospheric chemistry related to climate change ?
Those calculations are quite a bit more difficult to understand than a simple weighted average


Frankfooter proven a damn lying fool once again (I have lost count)
Go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on

 

[Frankfooter]

How smart are you ??

This is very basic high school math you can not seem to understand and choose to just ignore

I didn't think you'd be able to show that the typical stats used for these comparisons are population weighted.
Thanks for confirming that through your lack of evidence and increase in insults.

 

[K Douglas]

Goodness you forget what you said fast. You carefully stated above that the "Average state/local sales tax rate is approx 7%". So the proper comparison is the Canadian provincial/local rate. Which is 8% in Ontario.

Now you're wanting to say it's about total sales tax, comparing our federal/provincial/local average with the US federal/state/local tax averages. Forgetting that you've changed the terms and are ignoring that the US doesn't have a federal sales tax (but does have many municipal sales taxes levied by cities, where we don't).

When the countries are so different, it certainly makes more sense to compare a general category than specifics, but do remember it was your idea to compare our Mac apples to their Navel oranges when you really should have discussed fruit in general. It's good you got there at last, but slagging people for addressing your own topic and not keeping up with your shifts makes you look bad.
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PS: Don't I remember Donny musing about a federal consumption/sales tax, during the primary debates, as a good way to get the US out of the deficits he and the GOP just added to?

Um, no. The proper comparison is what is the total sales tax burden between the average Canadian province and the average United state.
You're right though we should compare the general so here you go. Tax Freedom Day in the United States is April 23. In Canada it's June 9

 

[nottyboi]

Any benefit from the child benefit program will be offset by the carbon tax
As hard as you may want to spread false information, the fact of the matter is we have a much higher tax burden than the Americans
It is not even close

carbon tax is a future theoretical tax, not yet in place. We are talking about 2017. Taxs are in flux so you can only really compare a set period of time.

 

[nottyboi]

Um, no. The proper comparison is what is the total sales tax burden between the average Canadian province and the average United state.
You're right though we should compare the general so here you go. Tax Freedom Day in the United States is April 23. In Canada it's June 9

The calculation offsets the benefits for the taxes. So once again you are not correct.

 

[Frankfooter]

Um, no. The proper comparison is what is the total sales tax burden between the average Canadian province and the average United state.
You're right though we should compare the general so here you go. Tax Freedom Day in the United States is April 23. In Canada it's June 9

The whole point of the study is to also take benefits from the government into account.
Tax freedom day misses that point as well.

 

[JohnLarue]

carbon tax is a future theoretical tax, not yet in place. We are talking about 2017. Taxs are in flux so you can only really compare a set period of time.

Oh Boy!
Include your add on but exclude mine to support your story???
Yeah right I do not think so

Back date , for your convince?
I do not think so, the relevant issue is what we pay on the incremental dollar

http://www.news1130.com/2018/01/14/get-ready-pay-gas-carbon-tax-soon-introduced/
BC implemented therir caron tax on gasline April 1.
So yeah Canadians are paying carbon taxes

In addition The US allows the interest on mortgages to be tax deductible, Canada does not . That is a huge difference

In addition Canadian Household debt is 100% of GDP , while american household debt is 80%
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/...ll-other-countries-in-oecd-report_a_23286624/

therefore your relative spending is levered up more, with 20% more relative debt supported spending, which is incremental to out take home pay.
This incremental spending is subject to a 12+ % sales tax, vs the US 7%
So even more tax payed by Canadians

In addition over and above normal sales taxes, sin taxes (booze, gambling, cigarettes & soon dope) for Canadians are astronomical. 50%??

As hard as you may want to spread false information, the fact of the matter is we have a much higher tax burden than the Americans
It is not even close

 

[JohnLarue]

The whole point of the study is to also take benefits from the government into account.
Tax freedom day misses that point as well.

The whole point of the study titled "Canadians Now Paying Lower Income Taxes Than Americans, OECD Data Shows" is to mislead people
Note they used the word Income tax, when it is total tax burden which all that really matters.

Besides if you can not calculate a simple weighted average, how qualified are you to define what the point of any article is?

Tax freedom day is when you stop paying the government , plain and simple
It is in April for the US, June for Canadians

 

[Frankfooter]

The whole point of the study titled "Canadians Now Paying Lower Income Taxes Than Americans, OECD Data Shows" is to mislead people
Note they used the word Income tax, when it is total tax burden which all that really matters.

Calculating total tax burden also means including benefits from the government.
Try again.

 

[Orion1027]

Unfortunately income taxes are but one of a thousand taxes in Canada. When you add the HST, excise taxes, payroll taxes, fees, carbon taxes we are miles ahead of the Americans in taxes paid. And don’t forget, Americans are able to deduct their mortgage interest,

 

[Frankfooter]

Unfortunately income taxes are but one of a thousand taxes in Canada. When you add the HST, excise taxes, payroll taxes, fees, carbon taxes we are miles ahead of the Americans in taxes paid. And don’t forget, Americans are able to deduct their mortgage interest,

You and larue want to include only the taxes paid out while ignoring the benefits paid back to families.

 

[Orion1027]

You and larue want to include only the taxes paid out while ignoring the benefits paid back to families.

I’m all for paying my fair share, but what we pay in taxes in this country is obscene! You are either gullible, blind or just plain ignorant. For what we pay, we are not getting value for our money..full stop!!

 

[shack]

You and larue want to include only the taxes paid out while ignoring the benefits paid back to families.

Gotta disagree. Taxes are taxes and benefits are benefits. Whether we receive fair benefits for what we pay in taxes is a totally different discussion.

Canadians PAY much more in taxes. We also get more benefits. Both statements on their own are undeniable. Trying to weight them against each other is harder, if not impossible, to quantify.

 

[JohnLarue]

Calculating total tax burden also means including benefits from the government.
Try again.

Your arrogance almost exceeds your incompetence & your need to mis-lead others
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/tax-burden

noun
tax
the amount of tax paid by a person, company, or country in a specified period considered as a proportion of total income in that period.

no mention of benefits in the definition

including benefits in a tax burden comparison is totally inappropriate,. That is a separate issue.
Lumping together is even more inappropriate when one considers the Canadians who bear the majority of the burden also receive significantly lower relative benefits
ie the top 20% who pay 56% of taxes

You want it both ways, have the rich pay the majority of the tax and attribute benefits to them they do not use

I suggest you stop with the arrogant "try again" until you finally get something (anything?) right

How is that critique of the atmospheric scientist work coming along?
Did she stump you with a weighted average?
Or did she use terminology which you could not look up on goggle?

Who do you think you are fooling?

 

[Frankfooter]

Your arrogance almost exceeds your incompetence & your need to mis-lead others
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/tax-burden

And I'm sure when you're running your business, while you calculate lemonade sales you don't include benefits like, say, sales?

 

[Orion1027]

And I'm sure when you're running your business, while you calculate lemonade sales you don't include benefits like, say, sales?

What we do look at are source deductions (which include CPP, EI, federal& provincial tax) health tax, HST, WSIB premiums, carbon tax, union remittances. Those are just off the top of my head, if I keep thinking i’ll Come up with more instances of government’s hand in our pocket. So when someone offers to cut the corporate tax by 1 %, it doesn’t add up to much because there isn’t a whole lot left to save tax on.