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Moviefan-2

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Its a screen grab of the NASA chart we bet on, as posted at the end of our bet.
But here, you can still click on the live link we used in the bet and see how you lost.

This was the bet:




Click on the link in the bet above to see who won the bet!
Liar! The graph we bet on -- the one that has the same numbers as the ones described in the terms of the bet -- is the graph on the left in this image created by NASA:

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png

Thanks, Frankfooter, for once again publicly confirming that you're lying and you know it.
 

nottyboi

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Your real problem is you don’t have any high value brands, you do component assembly and raw materials exports.
Does not matter, we can force them to build plants here buy putting tariffs in place. Canada still is a 2m/year car market which is still worth a few bucks. We can go to an auto pact style protectionism. For each car exported from Canada they can import one tax free.
 

PornAddict

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Its a screen grab of the NASA chart we bet on, as posted at the end of our bet.
But here, you can still click on the live link we used in the bet and see how you lost.

This was the bet:





Click on the link in the bet above to see who won the bet!

Your such as liar!! What a loser you are!! Admit you lost to Moviefan !!
 

JohnLarue

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Does not matter, we can force them to build plants here buy putting tariffs in place. Canada still is a 2m/year car market which is still worth a few bucks. We can go to an auto pact style protectionism. For each car exported from Canada they can import one tax free.
As the dummy Donald will find out Tariffs do not work.
Free trade creates wealth, restricting trade destroys wealth creation

Protectionism has been shown to be a disaster

Why do the left leaning loonies believe the government can control everything ?
They can even manage to pay employs properly, yet you think they can micro-manage an economy?

A fool & his wealth are soon separated
 

JohnLarue

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Its a screen grab of the NASA chart we bet on, as posted at the end of our bet.
But here, you can still click on the live link we used in the bet and see how you lost.

This was the bet:




Click on the link in the bet above to see who won the bet!
Your reputation speaks loudly
No one believes you
 

Frankfooter

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Liar! The graph we bet on -- the one that has the same numbers as the ones described in the terms of the bet -- is the graph on the left in this image created by NASA:

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png

Thanks, Frankfooter, for once again publicly confirming that you're lying and you know it.
That's bait and switch.
The chart we bet on is included in the bet, but you keep trying to switch it out because you lost.
Here's the bet with the link to the live updated NASA chart that we bet on.
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
There you go, no screenshots needed.
That is the bet and please note that the chart in the bet is different from the one you tried to use.

Such a whiny little weasel of loser you are, moviefan.
Still trying to cheat and switch out the chart.
 

Moviefan-2

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Your reputation speaks loudly
No one believes you
Indeed, here are the full terms of the bet:

We might get a bet, once you agree to use one chart for recording the results.

For example, your NASA chart that shows 1995 at 0.43 degrees Celsius put 2014 at 0.68 degrees in 2014: http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
And yet ... when you open that link, it shows the temperature anomaly for 2014 as 0.73 degrees Celsius.

How did 0.68 C magically become 0.73 C?

There's no magic involved. It's a different graph, due to a change in methodology that was announced by NASA after we made the bet: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png

When you use the same graph to compare all of the numbers -- including the one in that link -- you find that NASA reported a temperature increase of 0.13 degrees C in 2015, which is less than the 0.15 degrees C minimum that we bet on.

Frankfooter lost.
 

Frankfooter

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Indeed, here are the full terms of the bet:



And yet ... when you open that link, it shows the temperature anomaly for 2014 as 0.73 degrees Celsius.

How did 0.68 C magically become 0.73 C?

There's no magic involved. It's a different graph, due to a change in methodology that was announced after we made the bet.

When you stick to the same graph, you discover that 0.13 really is less than 0.15. And that Frankfooter lost the bet.
You are an idiot.
The chart gets updated, that's the entire point of using it for the bet.

And note that we bet on what that chart would report for 2015, not for any other year.
The chart we bet on reports 0.86ºC for 2015, which means you lost the bet.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
Those were the terms.
You lost the bet.
 

Moviefan-2

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You are an idiot.
The chart gets updated, that's the entire point of using it for the bet.

And note that we bet on what that chart would report for 2015, not for any other year.
The chart we bet on reports 0.86ºC for 2015, which means you lost the bet.



Those were the terms.
You lost the bet.
It wasn't "updated." As NASA reported, it's a different graph: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/

0.13 is less than 0.15. That's not my opinion. It's a statement of fact.

You lost.
 

Frankfooter

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It wasn't "updated." As NASA reported, it's a different graph: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/updates_v3/ersst4vs3b/v3b+v4_lrg.png
That chart is a different chart that you agreed to use for the bet.
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
You are still trying to cheat the bet by switching out the chart.
You lost and you're still trying to weasel out of admitting it.

Do you think people are so stupid that they won't notice that you're trying to use a different chart?
 

Moviefan-2

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Do you think people are so stupid that they won't notice that you're trying to use a different chart?
Here's the terms of the bet, explicitly stating that the graph in question had a temperature anomaly of 0.68 C in 2014:

We might get a bet, once you agree to use one chart for recording the results.

For example, your NASA chart that shows 1995 at 0.43 degrees Celsius put 2014 at 0.68 degrees in 2014: http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
The graph I posted showed a temperature anomaly of 0.68 for 2014.

The graph Frankfooter is using shows a temperature anomaly of 0.73 for 2014.

I think most intelligent people can figure out that the graph with 0.68 in it is the one we bet on. :thumb:
 

Frankfooter

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Here's the terms of the bet, explicitly stating that the graph in question had a temperature anomaly of 0.68 C in 2014:



The graph I posted showed a temperature anomaly of 0.68 for 2014.

The graph Frankfooter is using shows a temperature anomaly of 0.73 for 2014.

I think most intelligent people can figure out that the graph with 0.68 in it is the one we bet on. :thumb:
I think that most intelligent people understand that the chart we bet on would be updated because you can't bet on a static chart. It hast to be updated with the latest numbers or you end up betting on a picture.

The bet you lost was really simple, you bet that you didn't think the global temp anomaly would hit 0.83ºC in 2015.
NASA shows that the temp anomaly hit 0.87ºC for 205.

You lost the bet,
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
 

Orion1027

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Does not matter, we can force them to build plants here buy putting tariffs in place. Canada still is a 2m/year car market which is still worth a few bucks. We can go to an auto pact style protectionism. For each car exported from Canada they can import one tax free.
What a stupid notion!! What is it, the 1970’s again and Trudeau’s forced branch plant economy? Our auto industry will be reduced to a Tim Hortons style industry. Everything will arrive pre made for final assembly. Only in this case it’ll be auto components instead of frozen muffins and doughnuts. Imagine, no more engineering, meaning no engineers, no R&D and no value added work at all. All Canadian worked would do is “insert bolt here or place rivet here” and we’d only produce for the Canadian market so that would cut thousands of assembly jobs. Brilliant idea!!
 

JohnLarue

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Indeed, here are the full terms of the bet:
I have seen how you like stack the deck and propose a bet
Who do you think you are fooling?

As for the terms, I really do not care

Nobody is agreeing with & several have called you out

Your reputation speaks loudly
No one believes you
 

JohnLarue

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What a stupid notion!! What is it, the 1970’s again and Trudeau’s forced branch plant economy? Our auto industry will be reduced to a Tim Hortons style industry. Everything will arrive pre made for final assembly. Only in this case it’ll be auto components instead of frozen muffins and doughnuts. Imagine, no more engineering, meaning no engineers, no R&D and no value added work at all. All Canadian worked would do is “insert bolt here or place rivet here” and we’d only produce for the Canadian market so that would cut thousands of assembly jobs. Brilliant idea!!
He is not the sharpest knife in the drawer
 

Frankfooter

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I haven't updated Frankfooter's greatest hits on global warming in a while, but yesterday's inane comment -- that anyone who thinks 0.68 is the same number as 0.68 must be "so stupid" -- is simply irresistible.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...rbon-tax-lol&p=6097320&viewfull=1#post6097320

It will be added to the full list: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-to-Humanity&p=6086677&viewfull=1#post6086677
Please do.
Go ahead and claim that 0.68 isn't the same as 0.68.

That should really cement your standing as a math genius.
Should I start a 'greatest hits' quote for you with this one?
 

Frankfooter

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I'm guessing these comments were supposed to be directed at Frankfooter. I suspect many people believe that 0.13 is less than 0.15. Actually, it would be kinda crazy not to believe that.
That's some kind of weird denier math mantra, isn't it?
I have no idea why you love those numbers so much, but they really have nothing to do with the bet you lost.

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.
The only number we bet on was 0.83, as you confirmed with the bet.
Just as we know that NASA reported 2015's global temp anomaly as 0.86ºC, as you can see by clicking on the link in the bet.

You lost.
 
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