dougy want to fight the feds on carbon tax lol

[JohnLarue]

If the damn world is roasting, then you do something about, not whine that you don't have to because the US isn't.
Some moral code.

Do something about it???

All we are accomplishing is weakening our economy

You talk about morality?
You push falsehoods and misleading information onto others to try and trick them into buying your view
You have the integrity of a Trump

Do not dare to think you have the moral high road vs anything that does not slither along the ground

 

[Frankfooter]

Here is Franky greatest hit on global warming by Moviefan!
Look at how Moviefan destroyed Frankfooter arguments!

They are all bullshit, pick any one and I'll show you.
Just like most of what he posts.

 

[Frankfooter]

Do something about it???

All we are accomplishing is weakening our economy

As you said:

What is clear is it would be the biggest sin mankind (not person kind) has ever committed if we cause our own extinction & do not act

Doing something about it is better then complaining about it costing us something.

To me this really strikes at the heart of the conservative vs liberal mentality. Here you are admitting that it would be a massive sin not to act to end possible extinction of our race and children. On that point I totally agree, but where the difference lies is that the conservative mentality discounts anything that would benefit the community for what would benefit the individual. So here we have you saying something should be done, we should do it, but that we totally shouldn't do it if it personally costs you more then anyone else, or Canada more then the US. That's the heart of the difference between us. If it costs me a few hundred or thousand over the year I'm ok with it if we're trying to not fuck the world up. Because its true, decarbonizing our economy will be expensive and painful. But it'll still be less painful then screwing up the climate will be for our race.

 

[JohnLarue]

Doing something about it is better then complaining about it costing us something.

No doing something like protesting pipelines when the alternative produces more emissions is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Preaching fossil fuels will be obsolete in a couple of decades is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Doing something like making our business less competitive and our citizens poorer with taxation that is not spent on the issue is just plain stupid & irresponsible

 

[JohnLarue]

They are all bullshit, pick any one and I'll show you.
Just like most of what he posts.

Oh come on
You have been proven the fool so many times & by so many people it is a running joke.
People read your tripe just to see what nonsense you will trot out next.

The really sad part is that you do not get the joke

 

[Frankfooter]

No doing something like protesting pipelines when the alternative produces more emissions is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Preaching fossil fuels will be obsolete in a couple of decades is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Doing something like making our business less competitive and our citizens poorer with taxation that is not spent on the issue is just plain stupid & irresponsible

Really?

What is clear is it would be the biggest sin mankind (not person kind) has ever committed if we cause our own extinction & do not act

Sounds like doing nothing is really stupid.

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh come on
You have been proven the fool so many times & by so many people it is a running joke.
People read your tripe just to see what nonsense you will trot out next.

The really sad part is that you do not get the joke

Go ahead, pick any one of those claims by moviefan.
If I can prove it bullshit, then you need to create a signature that says I am smarter then you.
If I fail, I'll create a sig saying you're smarter.
Whichever way it goes, the sig stays for a month.
You game?

(by the way, will be travelling tomorrow, won't get back to this until monday)

 

[Moviefan-2]

Go ahead, pick any one of those claims by moviefan.
If I can prove it bullshit, then you need to create a signature that says I am smarter then you.

John Larue: If you want an easy one to win, choose the one from Nov. 29, 2015, where Frankfooter said the NASA and NOAA calculations of temperature anomalies don't include sea surface temperatures.

The Hadcrut numbers are lower then NOAA and NASA in general, since they include sea surface temperature while the others do air temperatures.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-Change&p=5411862&viewfull=1#post5411862

Now, let's see Franky prove that what I posted was "bullshit."

 

[JohnLarue]

Really?


Sounds like doing nothing is really stupid.

No doing something like protesting pipelines when the alternative produces more emissions is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Preaching fossil fuels will be obsolete in a couple of decades is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Doing something like making our business less competitive and our citizens poorer with taxation that is not spent on the issue is just plain stupid & irresponsible

 

[JohnLarue]

Go ahead, pick any one of those claims by moviefan.
If I can prove it bullshit, then you need to create a signature that says I am smarter then you.
If I fail, I'll create a sig saying you're smarter.
Whichever way it goes, the sig stays for a month.
You game?

(by the way, will be travelling tomorrow, won't get back to this until monday)

Too funny
It is common knowledge who is the stooge here.
There is no need for me to prove what is already known

You do not get it. You are a running joke, a source of amusement

 

[Orion1027]

No doing something like protesting pipelines when the alternative produces more emissions is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Preaching fossil fuels will be obsolete in a couple of decades is just plain stupid & irresponsible
Doing something like making our business less competitive and our citizens poorer with taxation that is not spent on the issue is just plain stupid & irresponsible

As an avid outdoorsman I’m all for the environment and protecting it. Our politicians are not doing anything of consequence they’ve embraced climate change as a means to tax without political consequences, after all who isn’t in favour of saving the environment? So they try to shame us into submission and you saw that from Catherine McKenna saying she has no time for carbon tax opponents . Virtue signaling and good intentions won’t pay your bills, put food on you table or a roof over your head. A different approach is needed and taxing us into the ground isn’t a solution to climate change. Just by chance have you looked at the magnitude of Chinese power output???? We don’t even factor into the equation without them first.....it’s just fact, you can’t fight the math.

 

[nottyboi]

As long as the US is the destination of the bulk of what we export it is important to Canada and if you’ve deluded yourself into believing otherwise explains why you support the sanctimonious liberals. Tell me, off the top of your head, who else can we do $266 billion in trade with ? Guess who’s buying the cars & trucks Canada produces? Who’s buying our oil & lumber? To say that we are branching off to lessen our dependence on US trade is nothing but liberal party platitudes and shows nothing but a flaccid trade doctrine.

Canada actually has a trade deficit in autos, so if the US put barriers to export vehicles, we would retaliate, and therefore more cars purchased here would be Canadian manufactured. Choice will diminish, and prices would be slightly higher, but that is what happens in an trade dispute. The US would have to purchase lumber from somewhere as they cannot supply their own market fully. In fact they are now importing lumber from Russia due to the tariffs is an example of this. Also more finished wood products are now being made in Canada due to the history if lumber disputes. Changing trading patterns takes quite a while. Canada actually has a deficit in the supply of goods, i.e we import more then we export. Very little of what we import cannot be made in Canada. Of course efficiencies of scale etc etc would drive up prices that is why trade is so important to consumers. But in the end if a trade war broke out, Canada can adjust. But we would be less well off without a doubt, but so would the Americans. Of course smaller countries will get hurt more then larger ones.

 

[onthebottom]

Canada actually has a trade deficit in autos, so if the US put barriers to export vehicles, we would retaliate, and therefore more cars purchased here would be Canadian manufactured. Choice will diminish, and prices would be slightly higher, but that is what happens in an trade dispute. The US would have to purchase lumber from somewhere as they cannot supply their own market fully. In fact they are now importing lumber from Russia due to the tariffs is an example of this. Also more finished wood products are now being made in Canada due to the history if lumber disputes. Changing trading patterns takes quite a while. Canada actually has a deficit in the supply of goods, i.e we import more then we export. Very little of what we import cannot be made in Canada. Of course efficiencies of scale etc etc would drive up prices that is why trade is so important to consumers. But in the end if a trade war broke out, Canada can adjust. But we would be less well off without a doubt, but so would the Americans. Of course smaller countries will get hurt more then larger ones.

Your real problem is you don’t have any high value brands, you do component assembly and raw materials exports.

 

[Moviefan-2]

There is no need for me to prove what is already known.

Indeed. As I noted in another thread (where Franky put the same challenge to me), he publicly acknowledged that his Nov. 29, 2015 post on sea surface temperatures was wrong.

Yup, you are correct, I made two mistakes in one day.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5412013#post5412013

It's a bit difficult to see how my post was "bullshit" when Frankfooter is already on record acknowledging that I was right and he was wrong.

 

[Frankfooter]

Indeed. As I noted in another thread (where Franky put the same challenge to me), he publicly acknowledged that his Nov. 29, 2015 post on sea surface temperatures was wrong.



https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=5412013#post5412013

It's a bit difficult to see how my post was "bullshit" when Frankfooter is already on record acknowledging that I was right and he was wrong.

I see you're giving up on your big 'hit list' and left noting that once I made two mistakes, admitted them and correcting them.
Thanks for proving that your 'hit list' is as shoddy as the rest of your climate change denials.

Even the very next post notes that you failed to read a chart correctly.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-Change&p=5412014&viewfull=1#post5412014

All part of the bet you lost but wouldn't admit.
Tsk, tsk.

 

[Moviefan-2]

All part of the bet you lost but wouldn't admit.

The fact that you still continue to claim that 0.13 is bigger than 0.15 speaks to the real problem with your posts.

Getting things wrong isn't an occasional feature in your posts. It's the standard. Most of what you post is wrong.

And for the most part, your erroneous posts aren't "mistakes" -- they are posts that are deliberately full of bullshit.

The bet that you lost is a perfect example.

Given your astonishing level of ignorance and the fact that you are poorly educated, I once gave you the benefit of the doubt and entertained the idea that maybe you really can't understand why you lost the bet.

That ended when I posted the graph that was the basis for the bet and you replied that it "wasn't" the graph.

That wasn't a "mistake," it was a total, bald-faced lie. It proved -- beyond any reasonable doubt -- that you know you are wrong and you are deliberately bullshitting.

As for your "greatest hits," every single one of them is supported by a link to the original quote. I stand by every word in my post.

 

[Frankfooter]

The fact that you still continue to claim that 0.13 is bigger than 0.15 speaks to the real problem with your posts.

The fact that you keep trying to pull bait and switch with imaginary numbers just to pretend you didn't lose a simple bet speaks of how sad your claims are.
Remember the bet?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

Those numbers have nothing to do with our bet.
The one you lost and weaseled out of.

 

[Moviefan-2]

The fact that you keep trying to pull bait and switch with imaginary numbers just to pretend you didn't lose a simple bet speaks of how sad your claims are.
Remember the bet?

Those numbers have nothing to do with our bet.
The one you lost and weaseled out of.

Your post confirms once again that you're lying and you know it. The graph that now appears in that link isn't the one that NASA was using at the time we made the bet -- and you know it.

But since you insist on repeating this nonsense, let's look at some of the arguments that you continue to insist we should accept.

- Jan. 10, 2016 -- Frankfooter said I was "lying" when I said that a temperature change from 0.68ºC to 0.83ºC is an increase of 0.15ºC: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-warming-bet&p=5445053&viewfull=1#post5445053

- Feb. 4, 2016 -- Frankfooter called it "lying your face off" when I said the difference between 0.43 and 0.68 is 0.25: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?550100-The-End-is-Near&p=5466781&viewfull=1#post5466781

- Feb. 20, 2016 -- Frankfooter said it was a "blatantly false claim" that the difference between 0.74 and 0.84 is 0.10: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-change-yet&p=5479780&viewfull=1#post5479780

- March 3, 2016 -- Frankfooter said it's "not possible" for 0.89 to equal 0.89: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...imate-change&p=5489838&viewfull=1#post5489838

I'll be interested to learn whether there is anyone on TERB other than Frankfooter who agrees with those statements.

--

By the way, for anyone who wants to see it, here is the February 2017 post where Franky publicly confirmed that he's lying about which graph we bet on:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...warming-data&p=5764682&viewfull=1#post5764682

 

[Moviefan-2]

In the National Post, economist Jack Mintz explains why carbon pricing as practised in Canada is nothing more than a tax grab:

http://business.financialpost.com/o...s-been-fully-exposed-as-just-another-tax-grab

Most people won't follow the economic arguments in any detail. But they instinctively draw the same conclusion -- the taxes/fees paid to government in the name of "carbon pricing" are going up, and there is nothing to show for it.

Certainly, there has no benefit at all to the environment or the planet's climate.

 

[Frankfooter]

Your post confirms once again that you're lying and you know it. The graph that now appears in that link isn't the one that NASA was using at the time we made the bet -- and you know it.

Its a screen grab of the NASA chart we bet on, as posted at the end of our bet.
But here, you can still click on the live link we used in the bet and see how you lost.

This was the bet:

So in order to win the bet, all the temperature has to do is hit 0.83ºC anomaly for the year of 2015, correct?

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

If that's the chart you're saying will hit 0.83 at the end of 2015, we definitely have a bet.

Click on the link in the bet above to see who won the bet!