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lomotil

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The power of the mind, faith healing and quackery has a steady market. Do not attempt to argue with these people, you will loose every time. Trump is the political equivalent of this phenomenon.
 

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The power of the mind, faith healing and quackery has a steady market. Do not attempt to argue with these people, you will loose every time. Trump is the political equivalent of this phenomenon.
I have a friend who, when she gets sick, she goes to see her herbalist. Never seen anyone get as sick or as often as she does...yet she swears by her herbalist.
 

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This thread makes me laugh

You all claim homeopathy is a fraud, yet somehow accept medical marijuana as fact?
(they are both frauds imo)
 

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You've all got it all wrong, since the idiot Ont. government created a watch dog agency,... according to some here,... that means it is right up there on par with the Ont. medical profession, staffed by doctors.

Right up there with the Ont. government creating the LCBO, because alcohol can cure a bad day.
 

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This thread makes me laugh

You all claim homeopathy is a fraud, yet somehow accept medical marijuana as fact?
(they are both frauds imo)


i see medical marijuana as an excuse to get High
 

lomotil

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This thread makes me laugh

You all claim homeopathy is a fraud, yet somehow accept medical marijuana as fact?
(they are both frauds imo)
Smoking medical marijuana for those with many ailments produces immediate and noticeable effects unlike much of the holistic preparations which they claim must be taken long term to be effective. There is substantial research on the useful effects of many chemicals found in cannabis, even with the THC removed to negate the euphoria effect. The federal government already deals medical marijuana and soon the same feds and this province will become the official dealer for medical and recreational marijuana. Just follow the money, if the government could make a profit off of the holistic concoctions then they would form a monopoly and deal it too.
 

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The only Herbalist for me is Albarosie


i see medical marijuana as an excuse to get High
Maybe you should hang out with people who use it to get well. Or are you talking about yourself?

The power of the mind, faith healing and quackery has a steady market. Do not attempt to argue with these people, you will loose every time. Trump is the political equivalent of this phenomenon.
:applouse: :encouragement:

I have a friend who, when she gets sick, she goes to see her herbalist. Never seen anyone get as sick or as often as she does...yet she swears by her herbalist.
I was going to post the same thing. Literally the most sickly person I know.

She’s only 100% when she takes a break from her herbalist BS and eats and parties like a normal degenerate.

This thread makes me laugh

You all claim homeopathy is a fraud, yet somehow accept medical marijuana as fact?
(they are both frauds imo)
Jesus Christ. This comparison is like saying “You all claim magic is a fraud, yet somehow accept particle physics as a fact?(they are both frauds IMO).

If you’re not a physician or a scientist, what does your opinion on a form of medical treatment matter?

Doctors Highlight Medical Marijuana’s Health Effects

Legalize with care to benefit Canadian society Physicians Say.

CBC News Apr 13, 2017


Canadian doctors say it's time to talk about the impacts of marijuana use on health.

The Canadian Medical Association called Thursday for a strong public health approach to legalizing marijuana.

The group aims to:
• Prevent drug abuse and dependency.
• Ensure assessment, counselling and treatment services are available for those who wish to stop using.
• Increase safety for vulnerable groups such as young people, pregnant women and those with psychological and psychiatric illnesses.

In people with psychological and psychiatric illnesses, marijuana can precipitate seizures and in some cases psychosis, said Dr. Granger Avery, CMA president. "That's why we made the recommendations about age and restricting access to certain groups."
• Liberals table legislation to legalize pot by July 2018
• Why it's so hard to fight drug-impaired driving

As legalization approaches, Dr. Robert Tanguay, a pain psychiatrist in Calgary, is focused on educating people as a form of prevention.

"I think the addiction medicine part of me is saying, 'You know, decriminalization is a good idea and legalization is a good idea,'" said Tanguay. "The psychiatrist in me is saying we have to be careful."

Contrary to perception among some, marijuana isn't neutral or inert in its effect on people, Tanguay said.

What are some of the harms and benefits?

Smoking marijuana can produce chronic bronchitis-like illness.

Cannabis interacts with almost all parts of nervous system and many tissues in the body, said Dr. Harold Kalant, a professor emeritus in the department of pharmacology and toxicology at the University of Toronto's medicine faculty,

Cannabis also increases the heart rate and workload on the heart. Physicians have reported instances of middle-aged men with narrowed arteries having heart attacks within an hour of toking.

"And even more worrying, I think, are young men, men in their early 20s, suffering strokes," Kalant said. The number of published incidents of that happening in the medical literature is small and how it seems to occur isn't yet clear, he said.

Within medicine, the strongest medical marijuana research points to positive effects to:
• Relieve chronic pain (lasting three months or more) in adults.
• Stimulate appetite in people with cancer, AIDS and other diseases.
• Ease nausea and vomiting during chemotherapy.

There are also potential benefits and ongoing clinical trials testing cannabis or its components to:
• Relieve muscle spasms in people with multiple sclerosis.
• Reduce seizures in children with epilepsy that can't be controlled with existing medication. The extracts contain very low levels of psychoactive THC favoured in recreational pot plants and higher cannabidiol or CBD.

Kalant thinks that when cannabis is legalized, there should be "very clear specification of what the maximum percentages are of THC and the minimum percentages of CBD for both medical and not medical use."
Apart from physical health, experts say legalization offers a chance to increase awareness and education among Canadians of all ages.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/marijuana-health-1.4070132
Is it magic? Nope. Like most effective forms of treatment, there are side-effects and risks.

But, between medical marijuana Andy homeopathy, only one of them is recommended by the CMA for any form of treatment.
 

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This thread makes me laugh

You all claim homeopathy is a fraud, yet somehow accept medical marijuana as fact?
(they are both frauds imo)
Homeopathy in it's original sense is the idea of taking a toxin, diluting it to some impossible level and then claiming that its consumption is beneficial. It is pure bullshit.

Natural medicine is another thing entirely which is the idea that there are medications from natural plants which is something humans have known forever. In the medical context it is about taking a plant instead of the refined active chemicals. In both cases the active components are generally known whether in it's natural form or processed.

As for weed I believe some in the medical community may see it as a way to treat symptoms but except for something like anxiety, not as a cure. It is also worth noting that there have been numerous medical trials on the effectiveness of marijuana in a medical context.
 

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Homeopathic Emergency Room by the British comedians Mitchell and Webb.

 

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Maybe you should hang out with people who use it to get well. Or are you talking about yourself?

no i read and hear what pot advocates say. no i don't hang out with potheads
 

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Homeopathy in it's original sense is the idea of taking a toxin, diluting it to some impossible level and then claiming that its consumption is beneficial. It is pure bullshit.
Which in an of itself causes no more harm other than people throwing away their money. Their products will not be toxic or damage the body.

Where it actually does cause harm, is where believers turn to homeopathy as a first choice treatment for a condition that can seriously worsen and become life threatening. An example would be an infection that could simply be treated with anti-biotics but instead, without that, the patient becomes septic. Or some endocrine/hormonal imbalance or they have some very early signs of cancer. And as far as I know, the homeoquacks do not have limitations on what they are allowed to treat.
 

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Homeopathy in it's original sense is the idea of taking a toxin, diluting it to some impossible level and then claiming that its consumption is beneficial. It is pure bullshit.
You basically just described how a vaccine is created
Taking minute inactive virus into your body


Although I do concede my impression of homeopathy is more in line with a natural organic health food type bs
I think more of herbs and spices

Not of those who claim weird things (eg bee venom) is somehow helpful for your health
 

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You basically just described how a vaccine is created...
Wow that is a horrible comparison that shows a lack of understanding of both toxins and how vaccines actually work.

First off, even if homoeopathic "solutions" had any toxins in them, our body does not build up an immunity to them (despite what the Dread Pirate Roberts said about iocane).
 

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You basically just described how a vaccine is created
Taking minute inactive virus into your body
The virus is attenuated or altered, so as not to be harmful, not repeatedly diluted to near undetectable amounts.

Actually, the virus in the vaccine is in sufficient concentration to stimulate a reaction of the immune system that creates antibodies to be formed by the body.

Another thing is that science know how the body's system works and how the vaccine creates the desired result. They know the mechanism of action. I don't believe the homequacks can tell you what their almost water like does to the body or the mechanism of action.
 

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The virus is attenuated or altered, so as not to be harmful, not repeatedly diluted to near undetectable amounts.
Actually there are scientific studies which have proven dilution of a vaccine seems to have no (or very negligible) effect on body reaction to it
1:1, 1:5, and even 1:10 makes no diff at all in clinical testing

Which indicates even if you believe in vaccination many of those shots have far more vaccine than what you actually need to build your immunity
Another interesting side note is that many vaccines are created decades before use and simply stored, with no apparent loss to potency
 

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Actually there are scientific studies which have proven dilution of a vaccine seems to have no (or very negligible) effect on body reaction to it
1:1, 1:5, and even 1:10 makes no diff at all in clinical testing

Which indicates even if you believe in vaccination many of those shots have far more vaccine than what you actually need to build your immunity
Another interesting side note is that many vaccines are created decades before use and simply stored, with no apparent loss to potency
Interesting stuff. Would you mind posting a link?
 

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This thread makes me laugh

You all claim homeopathy is a fraud, yet somehow accept medical marijuana as fact?
(they are both frauds imo)
I agree on the homoepathy being a FRAUD. The dosages are micro doses and they claim the smaller the stronger. Medical marijuana, on the other hand is legit. Some people may be motivated to apply so they can get high, but it does have a lot of legit uses. Helping people relax and/or sleep justifies its medical value, and there are plenty of other uses where pot can replace pharmaceuticals without the side effects. It cures a hangover and makes chemo bearable. It improves appetite and even makes sex better!
 

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I was going to post the same thing. Literally the most sickly person I know.

She’s only 100% when she takes a break from her herbalist BS and eats and parties like a normal degenerate.
The most healthy people are ones who go through life living normal. It builds up the immune system. I'm not saying go tell a child to roll around in dog shit, or live like a slob and never shower, but live life normal like most of us on this board did in the 70s or 80s. You don't even have to work out at a gym all day.

All the shit like homeopathy, making kids avoid foods and peanuts when they are born, over washing hands, and any other kind of superficial strategy is a recipe for doom. Ok, not deathly doom, but a decent probability of a shitty body.

That's why all the kids now are fucked up with allergies because mom and dad have tried to sterilize things so much, half these kids have probably never eaten a peanut until they are 8. And they wonder why their child has reactions to the fats and acids in a fucking peanut when just about every other person decades ago was fine. Go to some countries in the world where nuts are everyday life and nobody has a nut allergy.
 
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