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South African president wants to seize land from white farmers without compensation

danmand

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Oh I'm sure there are neutral real estate appraisers in South Africa (provided they have an offer of asylum)!
You know surprisingly little of the world.
 

danmand

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Well this is also a lesson to the naive and self hating white liberals of what will happen to your descendants if youre too nice and give away political power to people who are the real racists and have nothing but hate and comtempt in their hearts for you. One of the big preconditions of ending Apartheid was that this specifically would not happen, but 24 years later it's like it meant nothing.

When you reduce yourself to a tiny hated minority and let others rule over you, it seems they'll just launch a genocidal campaign against you full of rape, torture, and murder, then confiscate what's left of the productive civilization you created without compensation, and finally massacre what's left of you if you haven't already fled by then.
Come on, be realistic. You cannot expect to be a small minority oppressing the majority without it ending some day and your privileges and assets being taken away from you.

Everybody with any sense and knowledge of SA have known that this would come some day. A great many South Africans saw the writing on the wall in Zimbabwe and left the country.

I, myself, gave away my property in SA.
 

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Come on, be realistic. You cannot expect to be a small minority oppressing the majority without it ending some day and your privileges and assets being taken away from you.
Needless to say you can't if you have basically the entire civilized world attempting to undermine you.

As to the historical record -- if you are willing to spill blood the record is rather clear that you can.

Such regimes fail when, they develop moral scruples or the external pressures they face are such that they are unable to survive because they are not self supporting.
 

Aardvark154

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Gee Danmand perhaps you'd better make your plans to return to Denmark.

If Afrikaners who have been in South Africa for three centuries are illegitimate what does that make those of us in North America? And if we who have been here four centuries are illegitimate what does that make you (other than a hanger on to coattails)?
 

danmand

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Gee Danmand perhaps you'd better make your plans to return to Denmark.

If Afrikaners who have been in South Africa for three centuries are illegitimate what does that make those of us in North America? And if we who have been here four centuries are illegitimate what does that make you (other than a hanger on to coattails)?
Dream on about reinstatement of Apartheid. It is not going to happen. (PS: You have not been anywhere for 4 centuries.)

You seem not to have any understanding or knowledge of the sins that the Boers in South Africa committed during Apartheid, which was not centuries ago.

Everybody who had any knowledge of South Africa has known that the Boers were going to pay for their suppression of the black majority sooner or later. It was inevitable. Why do you think so many white South Africans left the country?
I thought it would happen as soon as Mandela passed away.

I might suggest that you read Nadine Gordimer. who won the Nobel Prize for Literature.
 

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Dream on about reinstatement of Apartheid. It is not going to happen.
Those in the West who lead the Anti-Apartheid movement made supposedly solemn promises about how the White minority in South Africa would be protected. If you and they are now going to go back on your word, what is your word worth?
 

danmand

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Those in the West who lead the Anti-Apartheid movement made supposedly solemn promises about how the White minority in South Africa would be protected. If you and they are now going to go back on your word, what is your word worth?
You would be well advise to stop your nonsense.
 

Aardvark154

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You would be well advise to stop your nonsense.
So as far as the Anti-Apartheid movement is concerned you have told us that your word as well as that of the ANC, and the likes of Leon Sullivan were worthless.

Good enough.
 

danmand

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So as far as the Anti-Apartheid movement is concerned you have told us that your word as well as that of the ANC, and the likes of Leon Sullivan were worthless.

Good enough.
I gave you my advice. You did not follow it. You are making yourself look foolish.
 

basketcase

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Why would there be outrage? Repairing the damage of Apartheid should please the Western anti-apartheid campaigners.
How does stealing from people who are not responsible for apartheid supposed to be an improvement?
 

basketcase

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Once the land is turned over to the previous occupants, how many years until they have to turn it over to the group that they took it from? Does anyone even know who first occupied the land?
Before Europeans there were no "previous owners" as the concept of private land ownership was unheard of.
 

basketcase

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We all knew you wouldn't understand. Or rather that you find it OK for white people to take land from black or brown people.
I understand that the land was 'taken' hundreds of years ago. The people who did it and the people who lost their traditional land usage are all long dead.

At least you admit that the land won't be given to benefit society but rather to reward the corrupt ANC stooges.
 

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Getting rid of Apartheid was the dumbest thing they could have done the way they were doing it.

For example, maybe the white people could have thought some kind of land reform before abolishing Apartheid.

In every socialist or communist revolution, first thing the new rulers implement is land reform.

And no one saw this coming.

Seems like a sell out to me.
 

jcpro

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Getting rid of Apartheid was the dumbest thing they could have done the way they were doing it.

For example, maybe the white people could have thought some kind of land reform before abolishing Apartheid.

In every socialist or communist revolution, first thing the new rulers implement is land reform.

And no one saw this coming.

Seems like a sell out to me.
Oh, I saw it coming. I was only wandering why it was taking so long? The ANC were and are an unrepentant bunch of commies with no concept how to run a free economy.
 

danmand

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Before Europeans there were no "previous owners" as the concept of private land ownership was unheard of.
nonsense. The Khoi people were hunter/gatherers, the Zulu's were farmers.
 

danmand

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You cannot expect to be a small minority oppressing the majority without it ending some day and your privileges and assets being taken away from you.

Everybody who had any knowledge of South Africa has known that the Boers were going to pay for their suppression of the black majority sooner or later. It was inevitable. A great many South Africans saw the writing on the wall in Zimbabwe. Why do you think so many white South Africans left the country? I thought it would happen as soon as Mandela passed away.

Why anybody would expect a different outcome in South Africa than in Rhodesia is puzzling to me. There are a lot of old sayings about expecting a different outcome from doing the same thing.
 

james t kirk

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Blame whitey.

It's always the same. Don't blame yourselves, blame the other guy.

Land seizures and asset stealing have never worked out well. This one will be a disaster too I'm sure.
 

danmand

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jcpro

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I laughed myself to tears when I read that Ramaphosa said that the expropriation without compensation will not affect jobs and investments. The ANC replaced one half-witt with another. Modern farming is incredibly capital intensive and no bank will invest in an enterprise that comes with an built in instability. That means no money for equipment, seeds, irrigation, etc. Basically, it will push the agricultural sector back to the 19th century.
 
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