What are the comparable statistics for native born Americans?
Actually it's continue Daca but put in place the means so it doesn't happen again.
Which might be an interesting figure -- however, the operative thing in your statement is native born, please name me a country in the world where people who are in the country illegally are granted the same privileges as those who are native born.What are the comparable statistics for native born Americans?
That isn't what I'd say.
That sounds perfect!That isn't what I'd say.
First almost immediate Citizenship for those serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. Expedited Citizenship for those with University Degrees (which of course includes the Medical Students and Residents one hears about). As to the rest those married to U.S. Citizens "Green Card" status the same as other spouses of U.S. Citizens, perhaps the same for those who have U.S. National children --- all the others . . . . convince me why they shouldn't be deported other than compassion.
Actually in this case I'd say compassion is a good one. Minus anyone with a criminal record.That isn't what I'd say.
First almost immediate Citizenship for those serving in the U.S. Armed Forces. Expedited Citizenship for those with University Degrees (which of course includes the Medical Students and Residents one hears about). As to the rest those married to U.S. Citizens "Green Card" status the same as other spouses of U.S. Citizens, perhaps the same for those who have U.S. National children --- all the others . . . . convince me why they shouldn't be deported other than compassion.
Trumpkins never fact check.This Susan woman is a blatant liar, in the way she concocts all the fake data about the DACA dreamers.
She claims that 83% of the Dreamers do not have a college degree. In fact 72% are in higher education. 9/10 of them have jobs and the US would lose $460 billion GDP in the next 10years if these Dreamers were removed from the USA. More than 1,800 governors, attorneys general, mayors, state representatives, judges, police chiefs and other leaders signed onto a letter supporting Dreamers and DACA recipients.
http://www.newsweek.com/dreamers-daca-statistics-trump-deadline-657201
This Susan woman is a blatant liar, in the way she concocts all the fake data about the DACA dreamers.
Thanks for saving me some time of posting a rebuttal with a ton of easily found supporting evidence. Susan's post is indeed largely full of false or misleading information worthy of Roger Stone. I was able to verify that most of her stats were indeed fake, although a couple are true. However in those cases; i.e. 1% served in the military, it was still a higher number than the American population (.5% served in the military).Trumpkins never fact check..
lol a few truths and a bunch of BS please show me a link to an actual study that claims 72% are in higher education.This Susan woman is a blatant liar, in the way she concocts all the fake data about the DACA dreamers.
She claims that 83% of the Dreamers do not have a college degree. In fact 72% are in higher education. 9/10 of them have jobs and the US would lose $460 billion GDP in the next 10years if these Dreamers were removed from the USA. More than 1,800 governors, attorneys general, mayors, state representatives, judges, police chiefs and other leaders signed onto a letter supporting Dreamers and DACA recipients.
http://www.newsweek.com/dreamers-daca-statistics-trump-deadline-657201
1st rebuttal: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...mented-immigrants-filling-az-prisons-10049763Undocumented Immigrants, U.S. Citizens, and Convicted Criminals in Arizona
published by Crime Prevention Research Center in Arizona
Date Written: January 11, 2018
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Hmmmmm....rather interesting
Why should bver provide additional links? In your post #11 above, did you provide links to prove the following:lol a few truths and a bunch of BS please show me a link to an actual study that claims 72% are in higher education.
also links please to these from your quoted article from newsweek :
Their average hourly wage was $17.46 an hour, up from $10.29 before receiving DACA.
After getting DACA, nearly 80 percent of respondents said they got driver's licenses. About half became organ donors.
thanks in advance for clearing that up I call BS on the above
lol it's late and I forgot the link, that's now corrected. the link to the complete report is hereWhy should bver provide additional links? In your post #11 above, did you provide links to prove the following:
- the source data for the study
- Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime
- They also tend to commit more serious crimes and serve 10.5% longer sentences
- etc.
You didn't even bother to post a link to the original story <rolleyes>
Newsweek has much higher credibility than "Susan" especially when you read through Susan's other tweets. 10 minutes of googling will provide you other sources of the data you have requested - why is the alt-right so lazy??
and the phoenix new times is a left wing newspaper, so theres that. it's Arizona not Alabama I guess it was late for you too1st rebuttal: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...mented-immigrants-filling-az-prisons-10049763
Lott is a far right political commentator and many of his papers/reports have been criticized for scientific method and accuracy in the past. That of course doesn't prove this report is invalid, but does go to his MO. I guess we'll have to wait for the Alabama stats become fully public and properly evaluated. Important to understand DACA participants (topic of this post) can't have any criminal activity on their record to be eligible. Interesting that these stats are from Alabama an immigrant (legal or not) unfriendly state - and not supported by other states' stats (so far). Wait and see.
What does this have to do with what I posted?This Susan woman is a blatant liar, in the way she concocts all the fake data about the DACA dreamers.
She claims that 83% of the Dreamers do not have a college degree. In fact 72% are in higher education. 9/10 of them have jobs and the US would lose $460 billion GDP in the next 10years if these Dreamers were removed from the USA. More than 1,800 governors, attorneys general, mayors, state representatives, judges, police chiefs and other leaders signed onto a letter supporting Dreamers and DACA recipients.
http://www.newsweek.com/dreamers-daca-statistics-trump-deadline-657201
Twitter is an active, not static source, that's it's whole point. Perhaps if you actually stated something here in the first place, there'd be no need to say again what you imagine it said but others failed to read as you did.What does this have to do with what I posted?
No, it doesn't say that 73% of Dreamers are in higher education. You're not reading carefully.
I think you miss the relevance of my question. The OP is suggesting that the Dreamers are so hopeless that the program should be cancelled. My response was to suggest that they are not so hopeless - indeed probably operating on about the same level as other non-privileged groups in the US.Which might be an interesting figure -- however, the operative thing in your statement is native born, please name me a country in the world where people who are in the country illegally are granted the same privileges as those who are native born.
Add in that illegal immigrants are less likely to be fined or placed on probation as they have no legit source of income that can support the ability to pay a fine and the very fact that they are perceived as being in breach of immigration laws would suggest to a prosecutor or judge that they are not trustworthy enough for probation. Therefore, this portion of the population is far more likely to simply be sentenced to jail. Add in as well that they may be disqualified from Legal Aid in AZ - not sure about that one. If so, they would be unable to afford competent counsel and elect to quickly plead guilty.1st rebuttal: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...mented-immigrants-filling-az-prisons-10049763
Lott is a far right political commentator and many of his papers/reports have been criticized for scientific method and accuracy in the past. That of course doesn't prove this report is invalid, but does go to his MO. I guess we'll have to wait for the Alabama stats become fully public and properly evaluated. Important to understand DACA participants (topic of this post) can't have any criminal activity on their record to be eligible. Interesting that these stats are from Alabama an immigrant (legal or not) unfriendly state - and not supported by other states' stats (so far). Wait and see.