Erdogan slams Israel as ‘terrorist state’ that ‘kills children’

[Frankfooter]

Okay, I'll answer it. No, I dont give money to Israel.
Why would I give my hard earned retirement money to some dog in which I have no fight??
Also, who would I give it to if I wanted to?? The government of Israel??

Glad to hear it, I don't support either side as well, though have been to a few events here supporting peace.
Like I continue to say, I learned a bit from a Palestinian/Jewish couple I know, some left leaning Jewish friends and then a lot through replying and researching after threads here.

I support apartheid because Hamas are a bunch of savages, and IMO Israeli's are the only sane people in the middle-east.
I also think Islam is a scourge on humanity when Koran is interpreted wrongly by so many of its adherents.
I guess there's nothing wrong with the Koran itself, until you use it as an excuse to mowe down 80 people on a boardwalk in southern France

I don't think its correct to blame Islam or the book. Similar to how it is with Israel/Palestine, the amount of Muslims killed by wars over the last couple of decades makes western casualties look almost non existent. Consider the disasters of Iraq and Afghanistan vs any western attacks.

LOL @ charges from the ICC. Israel is stronger then most of its neighbours (combined). They could give a rats ass what the ICC thinks.
Also Israel is a strong ally of Canada and the US, maybe YOU should get used to that

If the ICC finds Israel guilty of apartheid then all western states will be morally bound to boycott it.
That's what ended South African apartheid.

Assuming you really mean it, thats something most of us can agree on

Its good to have one point we agree on.

 

[toguy5252]

Another case, fresh from the day's news.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/father-suspected-as-arab-israeli-student-stabbed-critically-injured/

Arab Israeli living and studying in Jenin. Guess which roads she'd use to get there. It is so common for Israeli Arabs to live or travel in the West Bank that the Israeli press don't even bother commenting on it. All of these examples show that Israeli Arabs have the same rights as other Israelis no matter which side of the Green Line they are on and that completely destroys your apartheid claims.

And this article shows once again that the PA and Hamas are the only ones pushing apartheid. It is clear that their issue isn't with Israelis but with Jews. They don't ban Israeli Arabs from the West Bank; they ban Jews.

And it is hilarious that you keep pushing a report the UN rejected, commissioned by a bunch of dictators who deserve to be under ICC investigation.

Why do you bother sparring with him. I stopped a while ago. he has no clue what life is really like in Isreal for Israeli Arabs, Palestinians and Christians. As someone who has been to Israel many times what he is describing bears no relationship to the reality. I have acquaintances (friends of friends) who are Palestinian doctors and professors working in Israel and they would be the first to dispute the characterization. It is simply a propaganda tool which sounds good, garners support and is easy to use to promote their narrative.

 

[basketcase]

I have no idea if Phil or you are funding illegal settlements and war crimes.
Are you?...

Consideringthe number of times I've criticized the settlement movement, obviously not

Are you funding Hamas terrorism? We know you echo the excuses Hamas makes for attacks on civilians but do you actually send them money too? Do you help them build terror rockets? Do you help them smuggle weapons into Gaza?

What you refuse to get; there is a reason it is perfectly legal in Canada to send money to Israel and even the settlements while supporting your Hamas heroes is completely illegal.

 

[basketcase]

Why do you bother sparring with him. ....

My OCD makes me want to challenge people who are obsessively filled with hatred and lies. Same reason why I go after people like gal and his obsession with bad Muslims.

 

[Frankfooter]

My OCD makes me want to challenge people who are obsessively filled with hatred and lies. Same reason why I go after people like gal and his obsession with bad Muslims.

Same reason I'm here debating with you.

Course you're the one defending apartheid here.
Do you stand with Phil supporting Israel apartheid or are you against Israel apartheid?

 

[basketcase]

Same reason I'm here debating with you....

You're arguing with me because your obsessive hatred about Israel offends you? Good to know.

Make sure CSIS doesn't find out about your payments to Hamas.

 

[Frankfooter]

You're arguing with me because your obsessive hatred about Israel offends you? Good to know.

Make sure CSIS doesn't find out about your payments to Hamas.

I'm arguing with you because your obsessive hatred of Palestinians is offensive.
I don't hate Israel, I hate Israeli apartheid.
Its policy.

Yours however seems to be the people.
You refuse to accept they have any rights.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I don't hate Israel

No, sure you don't :biggrin1:
Who would ever accuse of such a thing??? :encouragement:

 

[Frankfooter]

No, sure you don't :biggrin1:
Who would ever accuse of such a thing??? :encouragement:

Someone who likes apartheid?
:yo:

Even the NYT thinks zionism is bad news now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/...usalem.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0

 

[basketcase]

I'm arguing with you because your obsessive hatred of Palestinians is offensive.....

You are so full of shit that you give me hours of laughs.

I admit I hate Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's armed wing but that is only because they are terrorists. For some reason you find their terrorism acceptable.

 

[Frankfooter]

You are so full of shit that you give me hours of laughs.

I admit I hate Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Fatah's armed wing but that is only because they are terrorists. For some reason you find their terrorism acceptable.

You have never expressed remorse or sadness at the deaths of Palestinians, each and everytime you call it justified.
Or in the case of the Palestinian farmer murdered by trespassing settlers, you called that an 'attack on Jews', despite those settlers being the ones that did the killing.

The same way that you have no problem with the fact that Israel kills way, way more civilians then Palestinians or Hamas have ever done.

Your hatred of Palestinians in general is pretty clear in your posts.

 

[basketcase]

You have never expressed remorse or sadness at the deaths of Palestinians...

Really? This coming from a guy who has outright claimed settlers are valid targets.

BTW. Hamas has claimed the guys who murders that rabbi. That should make you happy.

 

[Frankfooter]

Really? This coming from a guy who has outright claimed settlers are valid targets.

BTW. Hamas has claimed the guys who murders that rabbi. That should make you happy.

Its very tragic that yet another person has been killed there.
And of course even more tragic that so many more Palestinians have been killed and injured, though we know that you don't care in the least.

Israeli forces continued to use excessive force in the oPt
3 Palestinian civilians, including 2 children, were killed, in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
112 Palestinian civilians, including 29 children, 2 journalists and a paramedic, were wounded in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
44 of them were hit with live bullets, 54 were hit with rubber-coated metal bullets, and 14 were hit with tear gas canisters and their shrapnel.
12 demonstrators were arrested, including 5 children, in the West Bank.
Israeli warplanes targeted a tunnel in the southern Gaza Strip, but no casualties were reported.
Israeli forces conducted 79 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank and a limited one was conducted in the southern Gaza Strip.
101 civilians, including 25 children and 3 women, were arrested.
38 of them, including 14 children and 2 women, were arrested in Jerusalem.
Several shooting incidents targeting the Palestinian fishing boats occurred in the Gaza Strip.
Israeli authorities continued their settlement activities in the West Bank.
Israeli settlers started to establish a settlement road between Nablus and Qalqiliya.
Shooting was reported towards the border areas of the Gaza Strip, but no casualties were reported.
Israeli forces turned the West Bank into cantons and continued to impose the illegal closure on the Gaza Strip for the 11th consecutive year.
Dozens of temporary checkpoints were established in the West Bank and others were re-established to obstruct the movement of Palestinian civilians.
4 Palestinian civilians, including a woman, were arrested at the checkpoints in the West Bank.

http://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=10321

Israel killed 2 more children last week, that's tragic, isn't it?

And by the way, settlers aren't targets unless they attack civilian targets like a shool, or with the aid of the IDF, in which case you've stated that they are legit targets.
Like this:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...tlers-attack-palestinian-school-in-bethlehem/

Oh, and how's your 'most moral army in the world' doing?
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...s-call-for-revenge-unit-against-palestinians/

 

[basketcase]

Its very tragic that yet another person has been killed there....

And you refuse to discuss that it was Hamas who gunned down the rabbi, Hamas who celebrated his murder, and Hamas who promised more terror attacks. But I'm sure you will tell us that Hamas has given up on terrorism.

 

[Frankfooter]

And you refuse to discuss that it was

Its never enough for you.
And yet you will never discuss or express remorse for Palestinian deaths, despite the fact that they happen way, way more often.

Stop supporting apartheid, its only one step less evil then genocide.

Only International Pressure Will End Israeli Apartheid
The growing delegitimization of Israel is this country's own handiwork. Should Israel decide to end apartheid, it will return to being legitimate in every respect.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...pressure-will-end-israeli-apartheid-1.5394041

 

[basketcase]

Its never enough for you....

Yes, never is not enough.

Hamas gunmen shot a rabbi as he was driving his car. Hamas celebrated the attack. Hamas promised more of that type of attack. You have refused to even hint at criticism of Hamas over this.

And it's funny that you quote a Ha'aretz op/ed while ignoring the one that called out your justification of terror in the West Bank.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

And yet you will never discuss or express remorse for Palestinian deaths

And the funny thing is, you're not Palestinian either, you're German

 

[basketcase]

...
And yet you will never discuss or express remorse for Palestinian deaths, ...

Funny thing is you don't unless you can blame Israel for it. For example you won't mention the Gazan lynched this week when Hamas accused him of collaboration or the Palestinians repressed by the both the PA and Hamas. You never seem to mention Palestinians killed when or schools hit by Gaza rockets that fell short and you won't criticize the PLO for keeping Palestinians in refugee camps in the West Bank.

Simply put, your posts are transparently not about human rights but simply looking for a excuse to justify your hatred of Israel's existence.


I have no problem empathizing with innocent Palestinians who are attacked or killed. Excuse me when I don't fell as bad when Palestinians are killed in the act of terrorism or attacks on Israelis.

 

[Galseigin]

And the funny thing is, you're not Palestinian either, you're German

LOL you're funny....German.

 

[Frankfooter]

And the funny thing is, you're not Palestinian either, you're German

Its funny that you think that this would be important and that you think this is correct.