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Erdogan slams Israel as ‘terrorist state’ that ‘kills children’

Frankfooter

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Keep confirming you are an unrepentant liar.
Another vague accusation with no evidence to back it up.
Hopeless.

Here's another announcement for separate roads based on race in apartheid Israel.
Israel approves $230m for settler only roads in West Bank

Several Israeli ministers called for more settlement construction in response to the shooting, according to Haaretz.

Local and international human rights organisations expressed their belief that the settlement bypass road projects are a new expression of Israel’s systematic policy of apartheid against the Palestinians.

The Israeli decision will lead to the confiscation of more Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180112-israel-approves-230m-for-settler-only-roads-in-west-bank/

More apartheid roads for apartheid Israel.
As a Canadian, you have a moral duty to stand against apartheid.
 

Frankfooter

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No, as a Canadian you have a moral duty to stand against anti-semitism
Not accurate, as a Canadian you have a moral duty to stand against all racism, not just anti-semitism.
Apartheid is a form of racism, as is anti-semitism and Islamaphobia.
Just as Trump is a racist and you should have a duty to stand against him as well.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Not accurate, as a Canadian you have a moral duty to stand against all racism, not just anti-semitism.
Apartheid is a form of racism, as is anti-semitism and Islamaphobia.
Just as Trump is a racist and you should have a duty to stand against him as well
Wrong, Israel has a right to defend themselves against Hamas savages who want to destroy them in the name of their f*cked up religion
 

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Wrong, Israel has a right to defend themselves against Hamas savages who want to destroy them in the name of their f*cked up religion
As does pretty much every Arab nation that surrounds Israel.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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As does pretty much every Arab nation that surrounds Israel
Yup, they're a tiny island surrounded by a sea of wolves.

It should come as no surprise why some anti-semites on this board support Arabs and Hamas, its because should they ever win, it will finally eliminate most Jews from this planet, which is exactly what THE BIGGEST anti-semite on this site wants to see
 

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Wrong, Israel has a right to defend themselves against Hamas savages who want to destroy them in the name of their f*cked up religion
Well that went badly.

First we start off with a statement against racism, in all forms and against supporting racists.
I had thought maybe you'd agree, instead you say its 'wrong' to stand against all forms of racism and those who spout racism.
And to top it up, you call a people 'savages'.

That makes me think that your call against anti-semitism is in of itself a form of racism, whereby you think only one people are deserving to be protected from racism.
Instead of agreeing that yes, anti-semitism is bad and so are other forms of racism like Islamophobia or even systematic racism like apartheid, you went off the deep end.

Can I offer to buy you a couple of books, where you can learn about more about these 'savages'?
https://www.amazon.ca/Biggest-Prison-Earth-Occupied-Territories/dp/1851685871
https://www.amazon.com/Israeli-Apartheid-Beginners-Ben-White/dp/0745334636

You really should take a stand against racism of all sorts, not just against your chosen people.
 

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Ah, so there we have it. You do NOT think Hamas are savages, is that correct??
Everybody here knows that is the case,... proven over and over again,... in many threads.
 

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Ah, so there we have it. You do NOT think Hamas are savages, is that correct??
The word 'savages' in this context is colonial racism, so no, I don't think that word is appropriate to use to describe any peoples.

Hamas is what, 20-30 years old at this point? During their first decade or two they used terrorism as a tactic, definitely, and they should be charged and put on trial for those crimes. Over the last few years, however, they've moved further away from terrorism. Since they were democratically elected and became the government they've done better. There are still reports of assassinations, torture and their use of rockets are war crimes since they are indiscriminate and can't be aimed only at military targets. They have also run a voluntary ceasefire and tried to stop rockets out of Gaza as well as almost entirely stopped their use of terrorism. So they aren't totally clean, but nor are they 'evil' or 'savages'.

Gaza, on the other hand, under Israeli occupation appears to have gone from the world's largest open air prison into what can now only be described as a death camp, the world's largest death camp. For years the UN reported that Gaza was becoming unliveable, here's a report from 2015.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-society-can-no-longer-support-itself-report
Last year the UN stated that Gaza might already be unliveable.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-may-already-be-unlivable-un-official-warns/
Save the Children says Gaza has already reached that point.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...nlivable-conditions-gaza-170905014336701.html
Al Jazeera describes how it happened.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/07/gaza-unlivable-place-170723091946355.html
(Written by the Canadian Rapporteur on human rights in Israel for the UN)

At this point, the Israeli occupation and blockade that has turned Gaza into a giant death camp is much worse of a human rights crime then anything Gaza is accused of in the last 5 years.


Again, I have to ask why you appear to be claiming that anti-semitism is bad (which it is) but that Islamphobia isn't an issue, nor is supporting apartheid an issue and supporting the racist Trump isn't an issue.
 

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Everybody here knows that is the case,... proven over and over again,... in many threads
Frankie has completely painted himself into a corner on this one
 

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Another vague accusation with no evidence to back it up.....
Your entire posting history is evidence. You continually make excuses for Palestinian violence and make excuses for Hamas.

There is no Israeli apartheid and any source that accurately describes the West Bank will admit that Israeli roads are for ISRAELI CITIZENS, not Jews.

At the same time, the PA gives Israeli Arabs the same rights as Palestinians while denying Israeli Jews those same right. That is the only apartheid going on.
 

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Wrong, Israel has a right to defend themselves against Hamas savages who want to destroy them in the name of their f*cked up religion
Every religion is fucked up by people wanting to abuse it. Nothing wrong with most forms of Islam (and least nothing more fucked up than any other religion).

But yes, Franky thinks Palestinians should have the right to kill Jewish Isarelis and Israel isn't allowed to do anything to stop or prosecute them.
 

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T... Over the last few years, however, they've moved further away from terrorism....

...as well as almost entirely stopped their use of terrorism. ...
True, if you ignore the terrorist attacks they have committed in the past couple years.

Since they were democratically elected
They were elected to ONE level of the government then held a coup to take over the other level of government in Gaza. Their democratic mandate also ended 8 years ago.
 

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Ah, so you AGREE with Hamas and their military practices???
I don't support violence or terrorism, which is why its worth noting that Hamas ran a voluntary ceasefire for 3 years, stopped rockets and essentially stopped using terrorism.
I agree with them turning away from terrorism.

During that time Israel continued to kill Palestinians, implement apartheid and cement the Gaza death camp.

Go ahead and tell me which of those you think is more evil, and we know which one that will be.
 

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There is no Israeli apartheid and any source that accurately describes the West Bank will admit that Israeli roads are for ISRAELI CITIZENS, not Jews.
There are no Israeli Arab citizens in the West Bank, only stateless Palestinian refugees and illegal Israeli Jewish settlers.
Those roads for 'Israeli citizens' are therefore only for Jewish drivers, not Palestinians, either those who live in the West Bank or the imaginary Israeli Arabs you claim live there.

That's apartheid.

CBC described it well.
The time has come to call the duck a duck. It's time to agree with a long list of Israeli political leaders, academics and public figures on both the political left and right, including three former prime ministers, a winner of the Israel prize, two former heads of the Israeli internal security service Shin Bet, and one of the country's principal newspapers, all of whom have warned that the Jewish state is becoming, or already is, an apartheid state.

I would choose the latter characterization.

It's interesting that within the Israeli discourse, the assertion seems to have become routine, while it remains radioactive in the West, where energetic pro-Israel activists scrutinize the media, the academy and the polity, ready to declare anti-Semitism or incitement at any use of the word.

Look at the outrage and venom poured upon former President Jimmy Carter, under whose brokerage the peace accord between Israel and Egypt was signed, when he titled a 2006 book Palestine: Peace not Apartheid.

Suddenly, Carter was transformed from a Nobel Peace Prize laureate and statesman to a dotty old man under the sway of terrorists, at least in the eyes of Israel's supporters, including a significant fraction of his own cohort, Evangelical American Christians.

A duck is a duck

But reality is reality, and a duck is a duck. As the late Yossi Sarid, longtime leader of Israel's Meretz party and former education minister once put it: "What acts like apartheid, is run like apartheid and harasses like apartheid, is not a duck — it is apartheid."

This past June, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak re-stated a position he's held for years: "If we keep controlling the whole area from the Mediterranean to the river Jordan where some 13 million people are living — eight million Israelis, five million Palestinians ... if only one entity reigned over this whole area, named Israel, it would become inevitably — that's the key word, inevitably – either non-Jewish or non-democratic." The country is, he repeated, "on a slippery slope" that ends in apartheid.

The dividing line between prominent Israelis who use the term in the here and now, rather than as a warning of what's coming, seems to be the continued existence of the "peace process," with its promise of a Palestinian state, and self-governance.

And when I was posted in Jerusalem for CBC News, back in the late '90s, that actually did seem like a possibility, if an unlikely one.

Since then, the peace process — always half-hearted — has utterly collapsed. Expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank continued, and since the election of Donald Trump, colonization has surged with an invigorated enthusiasm.

Their existence is in fact currently being celebrated in a series of appearances by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"We are here to stay, forever," he declared two months ago in the settlement of Barkan, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Israel's occupation of the West Bank.

"There will be no more uprooting of settlements in the land of Israel." (The "Land of Israel," as opposed to the State of Israel, is a term used by the Israeli right to describe all the territory between the Jordan and the Mediterranean, and sometimes even further).

Ayelet Shaked and Naftali Bennett, respectively Israel's justice and education ministers, have said the Palestinians must understand they will never have a state. Defence Minister Avigdor Liberman, a settler, has said there is "no hope" of a mutually agreed upon Palestinian state, but has warned Naftali Bennett against promoting outright annexation:

"What Bennett and his Jewish Home party are proposing is a classical bi-national state," Liberman said two years ago. "They need to decide if they're talking about a bi-national state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean … or whether they're talking about an apartheid state."

Liberman's logic seems to be that as long as the Palestinians are simply occupied and governed by a different set of laws, with far fewer rights than Israelis (as opposed to denying them a state but giving them a vote in some expanded version of Israel, which the Israeli right considers national suicide), then it is not really apartheid.

But annexation at this point would merely amount to staging a home already sold.

In the past decade, Ze'ev Jabotinsky's "Iron Wall" doctrine has given rise to an actual wall, sometimes an iron one, running roughly along the 1967 borders of the West Bank and Gaza. The main roads from Jerusalem north to Ramallah and Nablus and south to Bethlehem and Hebron are now blocked by gigantic, fortified military barriers. The roughly three quarters of a million Jewish settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem have complete freedom of movement and their own set of roads, effectively forbidden to the disenfranchised Palestinian underclass.


Settlers suspected of crimes are entitled to full rights in Israeli courts; Palestinians endure military tribunals, indefinite imprisonment without charge ("administrative detention") and collective punishment. Settlers are entitled to carry arms and use them in self-defence; Palestinians are not. Settlers have property rights. Palestinians have property claims. Et cetera.

Netanyahu frames it all as a matter of national survival, warning that any land conceded will immediately be occupied by fundamentalist terrorists determined to destroy the State of Israel, with its nuclear weapons, tanks, fighter jets, layered missile defence systems and 600,000-plus active and reserve troops.

His definition of terrorism is a nuanced one; at an event a few years ago commemorating the 60th anniversary of the bombing of the King David Hotel by Irgun fighters, considered a terrorist act by the British government to this day, Netanyahu characterized the perpetrators as legitimate military fighters, and warned the outraged British government to watch its language.

But then, an elastic worldview is apparently necessary to maintain the status quo; when Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party signed a formal reconciliation recently with the "terrorists" of Hamas, who rule Gaza, both Israel and the United States objected, saying such a union endangers, yes, the peace process. The fact that today's terrorists tend to become tomorrow's statesmen (the Irgun bombers later joined the nascent government of Israel, and former Irgun chief Menachem Begin became prime minister) is apparently irrelevant in this context.

At any rate, Ehud Barak's slippery slope is now in the rearview mirror. Yossi Sarid's duck has arrived. Let's accept that, drop the pretense, and move on.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/israel-slippery-slope-1.4368018

CBC knows Israel is apartheid.
Its time for you to admit it and stop supporting it.
 

Frankfooter

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Anti-semites!!!!

Especially those who are native Germans, and who have no dog in this fight!!!!
Lets try this again Phil.

As a Canadian you have a moral duty to stand against all racism, not just anti-semitism.
Apartheid is a form of racism, as is anti-semitism and Islamaphobia.
Just as Trump is a racist and you should have a duty to stand against him as well.

Will you take a stand against all forms of racism, or are you here only to complain about anti-semitism?

And while you're here taking a stand against anti-semitism, will you call out these actions as anti-semitic?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline/
 
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