Iran nukes

[basketcase]

Nope, that's you propagandizing again.
Unless you can somehow magically show us the offer from Israel, complete with the monetary compensation offered, you're full of crap.

Is this like you pretending Israel has no borders? The offers are all over the place; Camp David, Clinton Parameters, Olmert's offer come to mind. All of them were initiated or agreed to by Israel, outright rejected by the PA/PLO, and the very concept of peace is still rejected by Hamas.

As to the Right of Return, can you find a single legal ruling saying that descendants of refugees have an absolute right to "return" to their ancestor's homeland without agreement of that government?

Your lies attempting to cast people as evil just makes you look foolish.

 

[basketcase]

That has nothing to do with Palestinians having the right to return to their homes, as stated by the UN and international human rights.
....

And once again you are happy to ignore massive rights abuses by Arab states because you have a pathetic hard-on about Israel. Obviously human rights abuses by Arabs don't bother you.

Rationality would say that 750,000 Arabs fleeing Israel to Arab League countries would effectively be cancelled out by 800,000 Jews fleeing Arab league countries. The only difference is Israel went to great expense to integrate refugees while the Arab League locked Palestinians in camps for political gain.

 

[Frankfooter]

Is this like you pretending Israel has no borders?

Ok, show me a map that clearly defines Israel's borders and I'll stop making that claim.
Show me a map with Israel's borders.


The UN is prepping to support BDS by providing a list of companies that illegally work in the settlements.
https://apnews.com/9f910e5a7b264c38aad504a6147d9898
Netanyahu and the US are pissed, but you can't stop people from boycotting, much as Israel tries.

 

[basketcase]

Ok, ...

Is this always going to be what you turn to when you have no arguments left?

Why are you so afraid to criticize the Arab League countries that have kept Palestinian refugees and their descendants locked in camps for generations?

 

[Frankfooter]

Is this always going to be what you turn to when you have no arguments left?

Still can't provide a map or tell me where its Israel and where its Palestine, eh?

Why are you so afraid to criticize the Arab League countries that have kept Palestinian refugees and their descendants locked in camps for generations?

They deserve praise for giving Palestinians some support over the last half century.
They have done way, way more then Israel has done, and this is Israel's legal duty.

What next, are you going to blame hospitals for not taking full responsibility for shooting victims and claim that hospitals have a moral duty to take care of those patients for the rest of their lives?

 

[basketcase]

Still can't provide a map or tell me where its Israel and where its Palestine, eh?...

As you said, Palestine has no borders. It's not a legitimate state until the Palestinians give up on their violent ways and negotiate peace.

And of course you have no comment on the massive rights abuses Palestinians face in Arab League countries.

 

[Frankfooter]

As you said, Palestine has no borders.

Blaming Palestinians as the reason you can't tell me where Israel's borders are?
That's pathetic.

If there is no Palestine, as you stated, then there is only apartheid Israel.
Correct?

 

[basketcase]

Blaming Palestinians...

Your refusing to blame Palestinian leadership such as Hamas for their rejection of peace is pathetic, as is your justification for Palestinian violence. And somehow you still call yourself "pro-peace".

 

[Frankfooter]

As you said, Palestine has no borders.

Right, its just the 'no-state' apartheid solution you keep backing.

HRW is backing the UN blacklist for Israeli businesses illegally working in the occupied territories.

Israel/Palestine: UN Settlement Business Data Can Stem Abuse
Critical to Avoid Corporate Role in Rights Violations

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/28/israel/palestine-un-settlement-business-data-can-stem-abuse

As someone who repeatedly has quoted and backed HRW, I'm sure you'll cheer this move as well.

 

[Frankfooter]

Your refusing to blame Palestinian leadership such as Hamas for their rejection of peace is pathetic, as is your justification for Palestinian violence. And somehow you still call yourself "pro-peace".

Rejecting what peace?
The occupation?
The blockade?
The world's largest open air prison?
Apartheid?

Is that the peace you support?

 

[basketcase]

Rejecting what peace?...

Look fraudfooter, you know that even in Hamas' new PC charter they still reject the idea of a permanent peace with Israel.

And Olmert's offer was a good compromise for both sides. If only the Palestinians would realize that continued terrorism and violence won't result in Israel's destruction.

 

[Frankfooter]

you know that even in Hamas' new PC charter they still reject the idea of a permanent peace with Israel.

Not true, they say they'd accept the two state solution if it was the Palestinian consensus.

And Olmert's offer was a good compromise for both sides.

Apparently not, if it was a good offer it would have been accepted.

 

[basketcase]

Not true, they say they'd accept the two state solution if it was the Palestinian consensus....

I see you choose to ignore the parts where they promise they will never accept Israel existing on Palestinian land.


p.s. What problems do you see in Olmert's offer other than it required the Palestinians to accept Israel existing? Shared Jerusalem, holy sites under international oversight, based on 1949 lines with swaps including a land corridor to Gaza, some refugees and descendants to become Israeli, compensation for the rest who could be settled in their homes or a third country...

It hit all the main points of every UN discussion and the Arab league plan but since it required the deal to signify accepting Israel, even much of Abbas' own party rejected it.

 

[Frankfooter]

I see you choose to ignore the parts where they promise they will never accept Israel existing on Palestinian land.

They state that as their goal yet also state that they will stand by the opinion of the Palestinian people should they support the two state solution.
Seems pretty reasonable.
Compare that with the Likud party charter which just calls for Likud to take over all of historic Palestine, end of story.

p.s. What problems do you see in Olmert's offer other than it required the Palestinians to accept Israel existing? Shared Jerusalem, holy sites under international oversight, based on 1949 lines with swaps including a land corridor to Gaza, some refugees and descendants to become Israeli, compensation for the rest who could be settled in their homes or a third country...

It hit all the main points of every UN discussion and the Arab league plan but since it required the deal to signify accepting Israel, even much of Abbas' own party rejected it.

Doesn't matter what I think, Abbas, who is the weakest Palestinian leader ever, didn't think it was enough.
That makes it not a good deal.

Now, what peace are you claiming Hamas is refusing?
Living in the world's largest open air prison?
Living under apartheid?

 

[basketcase]

They state that as their goal yet also state that they will stand by the opinion of the Palestinian people should they support the two state solution.
Seems pretty reasonable....

Wow. You find Hamas "reasonable'. That is disgusting.

And maybe you should tell that Hamas that Hamas is against violence because this is what they said a couple days ago.

“The weapons of the resistance are a red line that is non-debatable,” Khalil al-Hayya, deputy head of Hamas in Gaza, told a press conference, referring to the Qassam Brigades.

“These weapons will be moved to the West Bank to fight the occupation. It is our right to resist the occupation until it ends.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/rather-than-disarm-hamas-vows-to-attack-israel/

Keep up the fraud that you are pro-peace.

 

[basketcase]

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Doesn't matter what I think, Abbas, who is the weakest Palestinian leader ever, didn't think it was enough.
That makes it not a good deal....

Another pathetic statement. You refuse to stand by morals because it would mean criticizing the Palestinians. That deal was 100% compliant with the UN, the Quartet, and the Arab League but Abbas still rejected it because it means accepting Israel which Hamas and much of Abbas' party violently oppose.

The Palestinians could have had their state in a way the UN thinks is fair but you would prefer that Hamas continues their violent aims of destroying Israel.

 

[Frankfooter]

Wow. You find Hamas "reasonable'. That is disgusting.

And maybe you should tell that Hamas that Hamas is against violence because this is what they said a couple days ago.

“The weapons of the resistance are a red line that is non-debatable,” Khalil al-Hayya, deputy head of Hamas in Gaza, told a press conference, referring to the Qassam Brigades.

“These weapons will be moved to the West Bank to fight the occupation. It is our right to resist the occupation until it ends.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/rather-than-disarm-hamas-vows-to-attack-israel/

Keep up the fraud that you are pro-peace.

The occupation is illegal and they have a legal right to fight the illegal occupation.

It would be better if there was peace, but Israel won't talk peace instead they are busy ethnically cleansing, installing apartheid and colonizing Palestine.
Terrorism.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779546
Ethnic cleansing.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779542
Ethnic cleansing.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779531
Ethnic cleansing.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779533

Keep up the fraud that you support peace.

 

[basketcase]

The occupation is illegal and they have a legal right to fight the illegal occupation....

What a surprise, Fraudfooter is once again backing violence while pretending to be pro-peace.

Hamas is a terrorist entity who promise to continue their attacks against Israel and instead of condemning the violence, you back their violence.

 

[Frankfooter]

What a surprise, Fraudfooter is once again backing violence while pretending to be pro-peace.

Are you claiming that Palestinians don't have a right to defend themselves against an illegal occupation?
Are you claiming that only Israelis have the right to defend themselves?

Why don't we look at today's news and see who is violent.
Israel shooting at Palestinian protesters, who were protesting after a squatter killed a Palestinian.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779553
Israeli forces shot at farmers.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779554
Israeli forces shot at protesters.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779552
Israeli squatters shot at Palestinian farmers, killing one.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779546
More squatters attacked a Palestinian village.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779547

Who is the violent one?

 

[basketcase]

Are you claiming that Palestinians don't have a right to defend themselves against an illegal occupation?...

I am claiming that you are a fraud as long as you defend violence instead of criticizing Palestinian factions that reject the concept of peace.