Iran nukes

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This from the man who also said:...

And yet another quote where you ignore the pertinent details.

“I think that anyone who moves to establish a Palestinian state today, and evacuate areas, is giving radical Islam an area from which to attack the State of Israel,”

As long as your terrorist buddies in charge of the Palestinians want to destroy Israel there will be no Palestinian state. As many issues as I have with Netanyahu, he's right on that count.


And the fact that you quote a guy hired by dictators but ignore the view of the actual UN makes you laughable.

 

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And yet another quote where you ignore the pertinent details.

“I think that anyone who moves to establish a Palestinian state today, and evacuate areas, is giving radical Islam an area from which to attack the State of Israel,”

Whatever, he's a bit of a hatemonger, like you, isn't he?
I guess you both agree that you don't think Israel would ever give back Palestine, for whatever hatemongering reason you've got going today.

Too bad you're supporting a war crime, against UN SC resolutions and fostering apartheid.

Resolution 2334 (2016)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 7853rd meeting, on
23 December 2016
The Security Council,
Reaffirming its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338
(1973), 446 (1979), 452 (1979), 465 (1980), 476 (1980), 478 (1980), 1397 (2002),
1515 (2003), and 1850 (2008),
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
and reaffirming, inter alia, the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by
force,
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http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

All those settlements are illegal.
Each time you excuse Israel's war crimes you're aiding the establishment of apartheid.
That's disgusting.

 

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Whatever, he's a bit of a hatemonger, like you, isn't he?....

Says the guy who back Hamas terrorists in every circumstance.

Why don't you start promoting peace and backing Hamas involved in actual peace negotiations?

 

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Says the guy who back Hamas terrorists in every circumstance.

Why don't you start promoting peace and backing Hamas involved in actual peace negotiations?

No, I back Hamas turning away from terrorism, its the polar opposite.
Now that there's supposed to be a unity government you'd think there would be peace talks.
Instead, there are just more settlements.

Did I mention that every one of those settlements are illegal according to the UN SC 2334?

 

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No, I back Hamas turning away from terrorism,...

Actually you lie about Hamas turning away from terrorism to justify your hatred of Israel. You even lied that Hamas' new charter says they support peace with Israel despite it being 100% clear that they still refuse to accept permanent peace with Israel on any borders.

Why don't you demand that Hamas and the large faction of Fatah accept peace instead of supporting a losing agenda of promoting violence?

 

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Actually you lie about Hamas turning away from terrorism to justify your hatred of Israel. You even lied that Hamas' new charter says they support peace with Israel despite it being 100% clear that they still refuse to accept permanent peace with Israel on any borders.

Why don't you demand that Hamas and the large faction of Fatah accept peace instead of supporting a losing agenda of promoting violence?

Nope.
Go ahead, list recent acts of terrorism by Hamas, prove your claim.

And by 'accepting peace' do you mean learn to enjoy living in apartheid?

 

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Nope.
Go ahead, list recent acts of terrorism by Hamas, prove your claim.

And by 'accepting peace' do you mean learn to enjoy living in apartheid?

Lets see. You keep complaining about Irgun attacking the British HQ in 80 years ago. Would that be a good place to start? The most recent would be Hamas building attack tunnels into Israel. Hamas members have committed terror attacks this year. All you do is make excuses for them.

And read Hamas' new charter. They say that they will never accept peace with Israel existing in any of historic Palestine.But why would you actually hold Hamas responsible for the massive detriment they are towards any peace.

 

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Lets see. You keep complaining about Irgun attacking the British HQ in 80 years ago. Would that be a good place to start? The most recent would be Hamas building attack tunnels into Israel. Hamas members have committed terror attacks this year. All you do is make excuses for them.

The UN stated that Hamas didn't use the tunnels for terrorism, just legit defence against an illegal occupation targeting only military targets.
Nothing wrong with that.

And read Hamas' new charter. They say that they will never accept peace with Israel existing in any of historic Palestine.But why would you actually hold Hamas responsible for the massive detriment they are towards any peace.

Really?

The Palestinian cause in its essence is a cause of an occupied land and a displaced people. The right of the Palestinian refugees and the displaced to return to their homes from which they were banished or were banned from returning to – whether in the lands occupied in 1948 or in 1967 (that is the whole of Palestine), is a natural right, both individual and collective. This right is confirmed by all divine laws as well as by the basic principles of human rights and international law. It is an inalienable right and cannot be dispensed with by any party, whether Palestinian, Arab or international.

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20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-charter-1637794876

They'd like it all but are willing to settle for the 1967 borders.
Seems to me you should be working towards that settlement before the ICC takes a look or Israel is fully recognized as apartheid and BDS starts really working.
You snooze, you lose.

But of course instead you'll just yell 'but Hamas......'

 

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The UN stated that Hamas didn't use the tunnels for terrorism, just legit defence against an illegal occupation targeting only military targets.
Nothing wrong with that.
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For a guy who claims to support peace, you should see plenty wrong with that. Why are you so accepting of Hamas violence?

And yes, really. I notice you look way down the list and ignor ethe second point in their charter.

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

You also routinely complain about Israel being defined as the home of the Jewish people but have no problem with point 3 of Hamas' charter.

3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.

 

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For a guy who claims to support peace, you should see plenty wrong with that. Why are you so accepting of Hamas violence?

And yes, really. I notice you look way down the list and ignor ethe second point in their charter.

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

That's covered by the Right of Return in international law.
Are you claiming that Palestinians don't have a right to return to their homes and that Israel is free to take what they like and not give it back?

 

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That's covered by the Right of Return in international law....

First, that has absolutely nothing to do with Hamas' rejection of peace. In their own words, they claim the entire land. Why do you keep backing a terrorist entity that rejects peace?

Secondly, no such law applies to descendants of refugees. The UN resolutions call for a "just resolution" and past Israeli offers to assimilate some descendants and financially compensate the rest meet the UN's criteria.

 

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Secondly, no such law applies to descendants of refugees. The UN resolutions call for a "just resolution" and past Israeli offers to assimilate some descendants and financially compensate the rest meet the UN's criteria.

Actually it does, and the UN has stated this.
The Right of Return was never intended to deal with refugees living for over half a century in refugee camps, that's the problem.

https://imeu.org/article/the-right-of-return-palestinian-refugees

 

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Actually it does, and the UN has stated this....

You do realize your link has nothing to do with the UN right?

Refugees have the right to either return to the place of their birth or be integrated in their host countries. The few surviving refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel when conditions allow. Their descendants were screwed because the host countries in the Arab world refused to allow them a chance of integration like the UN Convention on refugees expects but since they were not born is Israel, they aren't able to 'return' according to international law.

What the UN has actually stated is:

194 (The General Assembly) Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
Considering that the majority of the Palestinian leadership refuse to accept that idea of peace, that time is not now.

242 Achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem
As mentioned in 194, that settlement can include compensation.

 

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The Right of Return was never intended to deal with refugees living for over half a century in refugee camps, that's the problem.
...

So criticize the Arab states (and the PLO) for denying them the right to integrate in their host countries.

 

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You do realize your link has nothing to do with the UN right?

Refugees have the right to either return to the place of their birth or be integrated in their host countries. The few surviving refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel when conditions allow. Their descendants were screwed because the host countries in the Arab world refused to allow them a chance of integration like the UN Convention on refugees expects but since they were not born is Israel, they aren't able to 'return' according to international law.

What the UN has actually stated is:

194 (The General Assembly) Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.
Considering that the majority of the Palestinian leadership refuse to accept that idea of peace, that time is not now.

242 Achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem
As mentioned in 194, that settlement can include compensation.

Yes, Israel could pay the 5 million or so Palestinian refugees just compensation, that would be acceptable should they agree to it.
But they still have the right to return.
The UN has confirmed this.

 

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So criticize the Arab states (and the PLO) for denying them the right to integrate in their host countries.

Its not their duty, they have provided half a century of 'temporary shelter'.
They've done more then their fair share, its time for Israel to let them in.

 

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Yes, Israel could pay the 5 million or so Palestinian refugees just compensation, that would be acceptable should they agree to it.
But they still have the right to return.
The UN has confirmed this.

1. The Palestinian leadership has condemned the idea of compensation. They have been offered it is numerous deals but Abbas/Arafat rejected them and Hamas refuses the concept of permanent peace.

2. You lie about what the UN says. The only people with a right to return are the 20,000 or so people who were actually born in Israel.

 

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Its not their duty, ...

Read the UN Convention on Refugees.

Speaking of Canadian values, all refugees who enter Canada whether Palestinian, Tibetan, or Tamil have the absolute right to integrate into Canadian society. The fact that you justify generations of Palestinians being locked in camps in places like Lebanon or Jordan (or even PA controlled West Bank) shows once again you have no interest in human rights.

p.s Israel integrated 800,000 Jewish refugees chased out of Arab League countries. The Arab League should have simply integrated the 750,000 Palestinian refugees in their places instead of refusing them rights for political expediency.

 

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1. The Palestinian leadership has condemned the idea of compensation. They have been offered it is numerous deals but Abbas/Arafat rejected them and Hamas refuses the concept of permanent peace.

Nope, that's you propagandizing again.
Unless you can somehow magically show us the offer from Israel, complete with the monetary compensation offered, you're full of crap.

2. You lie about what the UN says. The only people with a right to return are the 20,000 or so people who were actually born in Israel.

Good luck with that argument at the ICC.
Next you're going to suggest that Palestinian's can't ever inherit the land their parents owned either, because they are 'terrorists'.

What else should I expect from someone who is backing apartheid, land theft and extreme violence contrary to international human rights.

 

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Read the UN Convention on Refugees.

Speaking of Canadian values, all refugees who enter Canada whether Palestinian, Tibetan, or Tamil have the absolute right to integrate into Canadian society.

That has nothing to do with Palestinians having the right to return to their homes, as stated by the UN and international human rights.

The 5 million Palestinian refugees are still waiting for Israel to uphold the law.