CBC: Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state

[Frankfooter]

Here's your anti-semitism right here. You've probably never stepped foot inside Israel yourself, yet you choose to believe the anti-Israel propaganda coming from pro-Palestinian media and othrr left-wing rags.

How would you know Israel was much more violent if you never been to Israel to check for yourself??

Click through the statistics from B'teselem.
http://www.btselem.org/statistics

B'teselem is a great Israeli organization, they champion human rights.

The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories was established in February 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel.

B'Tselem in Hebrew literally means "in the image of," and is also used as a synonym for human dignity. The word is taken from Genesis 1:27 "And God created humans in his image. In the image of God did He create him." It is in this spirit that the first article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "All human beings are born equal in dignity and rights."

As an Israeli human rights organization, B'Tselem acts primarily to change Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories and ensure that its government, which rules the Occupied Territories, protects the human rights of residents there and complies with its obligations under international law.

http://www.btselem.org/about_btselem

Calling the work they publish there 'anti-semitic' is like accusing MLK of being part of the KKK.

 

[basketcase]

The largest group in once city,...

Which the Jordanian army ethnically cleansed them from.

And you are flat out wrong about land ownership. The vast majority of the land was state land owned by the Ottoman government and then the British Mandate. Under the UN Partition plan, state land in the Jewish area was to go to the Jewish government and state land in the Arab area was to go to the Arab government.

Sadly in 1949 (like in 1937) the Arabs and Palestinians rejected the idea of a Jewish state no matter the size, just as they do now.

 

[basketcase]

Both Israel and Hamas should stop the violence.....

Then why do you continue to justify and excuse Hamas' actions?

p.s. According to the governments of Canada, the US, and the EU, Israel is a strong trading partner while Hamas is a terrorist entity. Seems that the democratic world disagrees with you about Israel being worse than Hamas.

 

[basketcase]

...
B'teselem is a great Israeli organization, they champion human rights.....

The fact that Israel has organizations like that, free to criticize their government, while Palestinians who criticize their government end up in jail suffering human rights abuses shows quite clearly how idiotic your claims about Israel are.

 

[basketcase]

...
Calling the work they publish there 'anti-semitic' is like accusing MLK of being part of the KKK.

Speaking of MLK, you should look at his views on Israel and the anti-semitic nature of the groups that continually attack Israel's right to exist.

 

[Frankfooter]

Which the Jordanian army ethnically cleansed them from.

And you are flat out wrong about land ownership. The vast majority of the land was state land owned by the Ottoman government and then the British Mandate. Under the UN Partition plan, state land in the Jewish area was to go to the Jewish government and state land in the Arab area was to go to the Arab government.

Sadly in 1949 (like in 1937) the Arabs and Palestinians rejected the idea of a Jewish state no matter the size, just as they do now.

You are wrong trying to claim that all the land was state land, its a bit ridiculous really.
And your history conveniently ignores Ben-Gurion's claims on all of the and in 1942,

In May 1942, David Ben-Gurion, then the representative of the Jewish Agency, attended a New York conference which brought together leading American Zionists. In his speech, he demanded that all of Palestine become a "Jewish Commonwealth."

 

[Frankfooter]

Then why do you continue to justify and excuse Hamas' actions?

p.s. According to the governments of Canada, the US, and the EU, Israel is a strong trading partner while Hamas is a terrorist entity. Seems that the democratic world disagrees with you about Israel being worse than Hamas.

Hamas is within their rights to use force to resist the illegal occupation.
That is acceptable, and its only when civilians are targeted that its a war crime.
Fortunately they seem to have almost entirely stopped this.

It would be better if they stopped using violence, but it would also be better if Israel stopped their violence and ended the illegal occupation and apartheid rule.
That needs to happen first.

 

[Frankfooter]

The fact that Israel has organizations like that, free to criticize their government, while Palestinians who criticize their government end up in jail suffering human rights abuses shows quite clearly how idiotic your claims about Israel are.

They are a good organization, unfortunately they are under attack by the Netanyahu government.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-to-clamp-down-on-foreign-funding-of-NGOs-507479
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=776672
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.747653

Israel has is detaining an Amnesty worker and refusing entrance of others.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/press-re...ghts-worker-detained-without-charge-or-trial/

Just as Israel is refusing UN entrance to the occupied territories.
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...ry-to-UN-special-investigator-Wibisono-406014
Which is the reason the last one resigned.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...igns-after-Israel-refuses-visa-request-439386

Palestinians also have a very good human rights organization.
http://pchrgaza.org/en/
They report weekly on war crimes committed by Israel.

Palestinian child was wounded and arrested at the Intersection of “Gush Etzion”
Israeli forces continued to apply the collective punishment policy
A room in a house previously demolished was closed on grounds of collective punishment in Yatta.
Israeli forces conducted 57 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank and 9 similar incursions in Jerusalem.
66 civilians, including 6 children and 7 girls, were arrested.
19 of them, including the girls, were arrested in Jerusalem and its suburbs.
A jewellery shop was raided in the center of Ramallah, and a kilo and half gold were stolen.
Israeli forces continue to target the border areas in the Gaza Strip, but no casualties were reported.
Israeli authorities continue to make a Jewish majority in occupied East Jerusalem.
Two under-construction houses were levelled in al-‘Issawiyah and Sho’fat neigborhood.
Residents of Pop Mountain Bedouin Community were notified, east of the city, in addition to 6 buildings in al-Mattar neighbourhood, north of the city, in a prelude to demolish them.
Israeli forces continue settlement activities in the West Bank
5 houses and a sheep barn, north and south of the West Bank, were demolished.
Settlers set fire to lands in Burin village, south of Nablus.
Israeli forces continued to target the Palestinian fishermen in the Gaza Strip Sea.
7 shooting incidents targeting the Palestinian fishing boats occurred in the Northern Gaza Strip, but no casualties were reported.
Israeli forces turned the West Bank into cantons and continued to impose the illegal closure on the Gaza Strip for the 10th
Dozens of temporary checkpoints were established in the West Bank and others were re-established to obstruct the movement of Palestinian civilians.
9 Palestinian civilians, including 4 children, were arrested at the checkpoints in the West Bank.

Israel is cracking down on dissent and criticism, they now ban entrance to supporters of BDS, for instance.
Calling them a beacon of freedom is really not at all accurate any more.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Click through the statistics from B'teselem.
http://www.btselem.org/statistics

B'teselem is a great Israeli organization, they champion human rights.

http://www.btselem.org/about_btselem

Calling the work they publish there 'anti-semitic' is like accusing MLK of being part of the KKK.

Great, now show us the atrocities Palestinians (and other muslims) cause against Jews, not just in the middle-East but around the world

 

[Frankfooter]

Great, now show us the atrocities Palestinians (and other muslims) cause against Jews, not just in the middle-East but around the world

No.

I need you to apologize for accusing me of anti-semitism when I'm just posting the findings from places like B'teselem.

Remember that was in reply to this statement from you:

Here's your anti-semitism right here. You've probably never stepped foot inside Israel yourself, yet you choose to believe the anti-Israel propaganda coming from pro-Palestinian media and othrr left-wing rags.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No.

I need you to apologize for accusing me of anti-semitism when I'm just posting the findings from places like B'teselem.

Remember that was in reply to this statement from you

I asked you to show us how Israel was much more violent then Hamas. All you've done is post one side of the story, now post the other side like I asked you.

Post the exact statistics that show us Palestinians are much less violent then Israeli's

 

[canada-man]

Attempt to smuggle dangerous materials into Gaza foiled
Security forces foil attempt to smuggle liquid for mass production of explosives to Gaza terrorists.

The Crossings Authority on Wednesday revealed a new, advanced lab for identifying chemicals and other dangerous materials before they are transferred to Gaza.

The lab is part of a joint project between the Defense Ministry's Crossings Authority, Shabak (Israel Security Agency), and Israel Police's Crossings Department. Experts working in the lab use advanced equipment to check a wide range of materials including gases, liquids, powders, solids, metals, and more. These materials are examined before they are allowed into Gaza.

One of the lab's main purposes is to identify problematic substances before they enter Gaza, and to prevent these materials from reaching terrorists. The lab is able to identify materials within a short time, allowing authorities to shorten the wait time before authorized materials are brought into Gaza.

Recently, a truck carrying automobile oils arriving at the Kerem Shalom Crossing aroused the suspicion of security guards. A sample of the oils was brought to the lab, and turned out to be a dangerous explosive intended for the mass production of weapons.

Crossings Authority Head Abu Rukan said, "This lab greatly expands the defense forces' 'toolbox,' and aids our daily and unrelenting battle against the smuggling of dangerous materials into Gaza."

"However, the most important part of our system is the human part - the security personnel who man the border crossings. Today, we know how to identify every illegal substance which may be of aid to the terrorists in Gaza."

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/238359

 

[basketcase]

...
And your history conveniently ignores Ben-Gurion's claims on all of the and in 1942,

Funny that you take a quote about wanting the land in 1942 from a guy who fully accepted the UN partition in 1948 yet you choose to ignore that Hamas and major Palestinian factions still reject Partition and still demand all of the land.

 

[basketcase]

Hamas is within their rights to use force to resist the illegal occupation....

And there you go again promoting violence instead of peace. You are a fraud when you claim to support peace.

And of course you ignore the fact that even Hamas' brand new charter considers all of Israel to be "illegally occupied".

 

[basketcase]

They are a good organization, unfortunately they are under attack by the Netanyahu government....

Yet they still exist and they still work.

Palestinians also have a very good human rights organization.

Can you show the times they have criticized their own government for massive rights abuses of Palestinians? Of course not because even making facebook jokes about the Palestinian government results in arrest and torture.

 

[basketcase]

No....

Of course not. You are psychologically incapable of criticizing the Palestinians or condemning attacks on Jews.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

And there you go again promoting violence instead of peace. You are a fraud when you claim to support peace.

And of course you ignore the fact that even Hamas' brand new charter considers all of Israel to be "illegally occupied"

Well said, basketcase

 

[Frankfooter]

And there you go again promoting violence instead of peace. You are a fraud when you claim to support peace.

I support peace.

But there are no peace talks and haven't been for years now.
If you want no violence then the occupation needs to end.
The blockade needs to end.
Apartheid needs to end.

Those are all legitimate war crimes from which Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
Its fortunate that most Palestinians support non-violent actions like BDS more then violence.

But if you want the violence to end then Israel needs to end the occupation and obey the law.

 

[Frankfooter]

Great, now show us the atrocities Palestinians (and other muslims) cause against Jews, not just in the middle-East but around the world

Sorry, but this debate is about Israel.
You called me 'anti-semitic' for post that Israel is more violent then Hamas.
I showed you the stats proving my point from the Israeli organization, B'teselem.

At this point you need to apologize for accusing me of anti-semitism for posting the facts.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Sorry, but this debate is about Israel.
You called me 'anti-semitic' for post that Israel is more violent then Hamas.
I showed you the stats proving my point from the Israeli organization, B'teselem.

At this point you need to apologize for accusing me of anti-semitism for posting the facts

No, at this point you need to show us how Israel is SO MUCH MORE VIOLENT against Hamas (or the rest of the Palestinians) like you claimed.

We'll be waiting for your stats