CBC: Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state

Frankfooter

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Which requires the Palestinians to accept peace, something they have refused to do.

And you once again show your criticism only apply to one side. Why is it you are happy to criticize Likud criticize the terrorist group Hamas?


And I see that you are unable to dispute any of the facts that I posted. Israel has repeatedly offered or accepted peace deals while the Palestinians have repeatedly refused.
Here you go.
Do you support ongoing colonization through 'annexing' Palestinian land, or are you willing to admit its a war crime?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/legalising-annexation-jerusalem-171102061616140.html

Or are you just more excited about the arrests of more 'terrorists'?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...rrifies-palestinian-kids-171107182749115.html
 

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By peace you mean 'occupation', correct?...
By peace I mean Hamas and Fatah's armed wing getting over their belief they can destroy Israel, decide that attacks against Israel achieve no benefit for Palestinians, and get on board with what the UN, Arab League, EU, Canada, and most of the world agree is the only reasonable solution to the conflict.
 

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Here you go.
Do you support ongoing colonization through 'annexing' Palestinian land,...
No I support a negotiated peace where Israel recognizes Palestine as the homeland of the Palestinian people and the Palestinians recognize Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people. Olmert's offer was an excellent compromise in my opinion.


But there is no such thing legally as Palestinian land until a peace deal is achieved. Legally the West Bank was ceded to Israeli control by Jordan until a two state peace can be negotiated. There would have been such a thing as Palestinian land in the UN Partition plan but the Palestinians rejected that deal.
 

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By peace I mean Hamas and Fatah's armed wing getting over their belief they can destroy Israel, decide that attacks against Israel achieve no benefit for Palestinians, and get on board with what the UN, Arab League, EU, Canada, and most of the world agree is the only reasonable solution to the conflict.
You mean Israel ending the occupation, correct?
And handing back all the land they illegally occupy, based on the only legal borders, those voted on by the UN?
 

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You mean Israel ending the occupation, correct?
And handing back all the land they illegally occupy, based on the only legal borders, those voted on by the UN?
Yes, ending the occupation required Hamas and Fatah's armed wing to accept the concept of peace and negotiate for what he UN, Arab League, EU, Canada, and most of the world agree is the only reasonable solution to the conflict.

The occupation is 100% legal. We can discuss the legality of settlements but the occupation is legal as defined in the peace treaty between Jordan and Israel.
 

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...based on the only legal borders, those voted on by the UN?
Where do you get that from? The UN and everyone else see the 1967 lines as the basis for a two state peace. The Palestinians rejected the Partition plan 70 years ago so it has no validity.

Of course the major problem is that neither Hamas nor Fatah's armed wing will accept any peace that involves Israel existing.
 

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There would have been such a thing as Palestinian land in the UN Partition plan but the Palestinians rejected that deal.
Those are the only legal borders, the only ones that the UN agreed to.
Perhaps they should go back there, maybe you are right.
Time for a push for the 1947 UN partition borders.

Maybe you are right.
 

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Those are the only legal borders, the only ones that the UN agreed to....
The UN disagrees with you. Even the UN states that the eventual border will be negotiated based on the 1949 ceasefire lines. Read those UN resolutions you keep selectively quoting.

The Palestinians/Arabs rejected those borders so they never came into force.
 

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The UN disagrees with you. Even the UN states that the eventual border will be negotiated based on the 1949 ceasefire lines.
I agree, if they manage the impossible and end the 'no-state', the borders should be negotiated based on 1947 borders, as dictated by the UN.

'Course, as you pointed out, its already the 'no-state' apartheid solution.
So that ship has sailed, sunk and is a total wreck.
 

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Why not argue for the proposed Peel Commission borders?

Sorry but the UN, EU, Canada, and the Arab League have more credibility than you do. Any peace plan will be based on the ceasefire lines (aka '67 lines). The Partition plan was on the table in 1948. It was rejected by the Arabs/Palestinians so those PROPOSED borders never cam into effect.

And talk about potential borders is less important than convincing the Palestinian leadership to accept the idea of permanent peace with Israel.
 

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Why not argue for the proposed Peel Commission borders?

Sorry but the UN, EU, Canada, and the Arab League have more credibility than you do. Any peace plan will be based on the ceasefire lines (aka '67 lines). The Partition plan was on the table in 1948. It was rejected by the Arabs/Palestinians so those PROPOSED borders never cam into effect.

And talk about potential borders is less important than convincing the Palestinian leadership to accept the idea of permanent peace with Israel.
Sure, why don't you show a map with the borders of your legitimate country, Israel.
While you're at it you could show us the map of Israel's borders, as agreed to by the UN, EU, Canada and Arab League.

A real country has borders, doesn't it?

Its really incredibly funny how you can't tell us what the borders of Israel are.
 

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Sure, why don't you show a map with the borders of your legitimate country, Israel.
While you're at it you could show us the map of Israel's borders, as agreed to by the UN, EU, Canada and Arab League.
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As I said, your pretense that Israel doesn't exist is laughable. You are as bad as the Palestinians who avoid the name Israel as if saying it would conjour the boogeyman.

I am continually amazed at your ridiculous bias though. Most people would be embarrassed at pushing the opinion of a UN regional group of dictators while completely ignoring that the UNGA and UNSC say.

Hate to break it to you and your Hamas masters but Israel does exist and it will continue to exist. The only question is whether terror advocates like you and Hamas will ever agree to a peace deal that creates a Palestinian state.
 

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Hate to break it to you and your Hamas masters but Israel does exist and it will continue to exist. The only question is whether terror advocates like you and Hamas will ever agree to a peace deal that creates a Palestinian state.
Ok, so draw me the borders of this country.
Are you claiming that Israel is the only country in the world that doesn't have borders?

That's the problem with your 'no-state' apartheid solution.

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/e...nt-activity-declares-israel-apartheid-regime/
 

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Ok, so draw me the borders of this country.
Are you claiming that Israel is the only country in the world that doesn't have borders?

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Shit you are becoming entertaining. Have you ever read the peace deals with Jordan and Egypt or are you too upset that Arabs governments would dare admit that Israel exists?
 

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Shit you are becoming entertaining. Have you ever read the peace deals with Jordan and Egypt or are you too upset that Arabs governments would dare admit that Israel exists?
You really can't tell us where the border of Israel lies?
Not very legitimate, is it?
 

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You really can't tell us where the border of Israel lies?
Not very legitimate, is it?
Amazing that you have gone from saying Israel shouldn't exist to now saying Israel doesn't exist. I guess you only believe UN when it is dictator groups criticizing Israel.

p.s. I guess your post means you haven't ever looked at the peace deals between Israel and Jordan or Egypt.
 

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Amazing that you have gone from saying Israel shouldn't exist to now saying Israel doesn't exist. I guess you only believe UN when it is dictator groups criticizing Israel.

p.s. I guess your post means you haven't ever looked at the peace deals between Israel and Jordan or Egypt.
I never said it shouldn't exist, that's just blatant lying from you.
It exists, though whether or not its a legit country with real borders, an apartheid state, or just a country illegally occupying another one is for the ICC to rule on.
Lets leave it to the experts.
 
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