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Smooth60

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2 weapons were purchased in Texas and 2 were purchased in Colorado.
Even though he was prohibited from buying or owning weapons.

Neighbours rifle was also an AR.

Shooter called his father after he crashed apparently saying he didn't think he was gonna make it.
 

essguy_

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So his rifle was confirmed as a Ruger AR 556 - about $700 to which he probably added double that in accessories (Barrel shroud, red dot sight, vertical grip, mag-lite (or maybe a laser?) attachment, sling, higher capacity magazines, etc, etc).

Interesting quote from the late William Ruger Sr. (Co-founder of Sturm Ruger): "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun". I guess Ruger was a goddam, lefty, gun control nut!
 

Conil

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Shocked former classmates who attended middle and high school with Texas church gunman Devin Patrick Kelley described him Monday as being heavily medicated and someone who kept to himself -- despite a deluge of posts on his apparent Facebook profile about weapons and atheism.
A former middle school classmate told Fox News that Kelley would complain about his parents and medications during school.
“His parents had him on high doses of ‘psych’ meds from 6th to 9th grade, the time I knew him,” said the student, who only wished to be identified as Reid.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/06/texas-church-shooting-who-is-gunman-devin-patrick-kelley.html
 

danmand

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Still unknown if the shooter died from the Good Samaritan shooting him, or if after he crashed he committed suicide.

The Good Samaritan will not be charged this was simple self-defense (defense of a third person) against someone using deadly force, buttressing that, as if it need it, Texas is a "Stand-your-ground" state.
How in God's name can you call somebody a "good samaritan" when he shoots somebody. That is right out of George Orwell.
 

mclarkez1980

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Love how the right will want to close all immigration seconds after an Islamic attack but after a loser white guy shoots 50 people it's 'meh, you can't stop everybody'. And how deranged to shoot people at point blank range. That's a whole other level of evil.
 

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For those who keep saying they should close the "Gun Show Loophole", you don't know what you're talking about.

It's a mass media propaganda mislabelling of illegal gun sales.

Do your research. There is no such thing as a legal "Gun Show Loophole."
 

essguy_

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The problem with stats in general are there are a lot of different studies and depending upon how the study categorizes or classes countries and/or other categories, you can get vastly different results. That's the art and danger of stats. Eg: Wikipedia in your link has third world and lesser developed countries included in the comparison which pushes the U.S. down in the rankings.

As an example: Here is a study from the 2010 American Journal of Medicine with the U.S. ranked highest in firearm related homicides (per 100,000 population) for HIGH INCOME countries (however that was defined). Take a closer look at table 4 to see an surprising second place country - Canada!

http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext
 

poorboy

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The problem with stats in general are there are a lot of different studies and depending upon how the study categorizes or classes countries and/or other categories, you can get vastly different results. That's the art and danger of stats. Eg: Wikipedia in your link has third world and lesser developed countries included in the comparison which pushes the U.S. down in the rankings.

As an example: Here is a study from the 2010 American Journal of Medicine with the U.S. ranked highest in firearm related homicides (per 100,000 population) for HIGH INCOME countries (however that was defined). Take a closer look at table 4 to see an surprising second place country - Canada!

http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext
I realize that and that's why I posted 3 different sources. As well, I was addressing Oagre's specific claim that Switzerland was second to the U.S. The chart you're referencing goes to further support that, so I'm not sure what your point is.
 

SuperCharge

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For those who keep saying they should close the "Gun Show Loophole", you don't know what you're talking about.

It's a mass media propaganda mislabelling of illegal gun sales.

Do your research. There is no such thing as a legal loophole.
I really don't know how you have the patience to constantly inform these ppl. Good for you tho.These guys would take away our god given right to protect ourselves in a split second. Thankfully, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! They can keep crying that it's the gun and not the person all they want. We are constitutionally protected!
 

Aardvark154

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Sheriff Joe made a statement that the shooter killed himself after the crash.
But that is preliminary. Gotta wait for ballistics.
Though he may have been wounded which contributed to the crash. Shooter was wearing some sort of flak vest as well apparently.
Either very level headed shooting or very lucky but the Good Samaritan shot him between two pieces of body armor.
 

poorboy

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I really don't know how you have the patience to constantly inform these ppl. Good for you tho.These guys would take away our god given right to protect ourselves in a split second. Thankfully, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! They can keep crying that it's the gun and not the person all they want. We are constitutionally protected!
For me, it's not about firearms. It's about correcting people who want to make stupid laws based solely on gut feeling or on what a biased media source tells them. The topic could be about vehicles and speed limits or limits on the amount of horsepower they should be allowed to produce and coming up with asinine solutions that have no basis on research.
 

essguy_

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For those who keep saying they should close the "Gun Show Loophole", you don't know what you're talking about.

It's a mass media propaganda mislabelling of illegal gun sales.

Do your research. There is no such thing.
Gun shows allow for the "private sales" of guns between buyer and seller - meaning unless the seller has reason to believe that a background check should be conducted, then nothing needs to be done. No ID check, no background check. And they are LEGAL. That doesn't mean there isn't illegal stuff going on (eg: trafficking in guns and felons buying guns) but it is legal to privately buy/sell a gun at a gun show. It's a loophole because for all intents and purposes a gun show is like a flea market - a large gathering of buyers and sellers conducting "private sales" but some of the sellers make their living selling guns at guns shows but don't need a FFL. So even though some of the vendor may sell guns for a living - their business is considered "private sales". Again - no background checks are required - they don't even need to record the sale. So long as you are from the State where the gun show takes place, you could walk out with a weapon, legally. And since sellers are not required to check ID or do a background check, a person from out of State could simply lie that they're from the State and buy a gun (illegally).

The simple solution is to ban all private gun sales. If a person wants to sell a gun, it would have to be between a third party (eg: a licensed gun dealer). Then background checks would need to be performed for ALL sales.
 

SuperCharge

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For me, it's not about firearms. It's about correcting people who want to make stupid laws based solely on gut feeling or on what a biased media source tells them. The topic could be about vehicles and speed limits or limits on the amount of horsepower they should be allowed to produce and coming up with asinine solutions that have no basis on research.
For me its about my constitutional rights and yes that also goes for making emotional decisions to change/amend my god given right to protect myself.

There was a hilarious article in Buzzfeed after the NY terrorist attack. This is how FAR they are willing to go.

Here's an excerpt, I kid you not!
A gun lobbyist would typically step in right about now to ask whether those who demand gun control after mass shootings also want to ban cars after events like this week. To which I say: Hell yes. Cars don’t belong on the streets of big cities, and we should do everything in our power to get rid of them.

You can’t stop crazy. But you can reduce the number of people allowed to drive their 4,000 pound bumachines into city parks, along city beaches, past playgrounds, and alongside the sidewalks of the most pedestrian-packed places in the nation. If we banned cars from every city in the US tomorrow, we would stop vehicular terrorism overnight — and save thousands of lives
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LOL liberals
 

essguy_

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I really don't know how you have the patience to constantly inform these ppl. Good for you tho.These guys would take away our god given right to protect ourselves in a split second. Thankfully, THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! They can keep crying that it's the gun and not the person all they want. We are constitutionally protected!
Well, I've actually been to two gun shows, both in Texas (I had Canadian clients in Houston and went to these shows with an American colleague who was a gun nut). So I know they're not a figment of the media, I know that people buy and sell guns, and I've seen people put cash down and buy a handgun, no questions asked. Unless the buyer were a felon or out of State - it's legal, and no background check is required if the seller has no reason to believe that it's necessary. Even weirder for this part of the loophole is that IF the seller had a feeling that a background check was necessary - they wouldn't be able to do it because they would not have a FFL, which is required to access NICS. If they had a FFL, they wouldn't be able to sell at the gun show. So not only is it a loophole, it's a catch-22 loophole.

The only reason the NRA says the gun show loophole "does not exist" is because they view gun shows as strictly private sales between individuals and no different than if you met the person at their house. What they fail to acknowledge is that gun shows are held regularly - so have taken the place of FFL holding gun dealers for many sales (about 40%). Gun shows are also mass advertised, and sometimes held at the same venue many times a year. So they are effectively acting like any gun dealer - except instead of a sole proprietor - it's a mass of "individuals".
 

danmand

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For me, it's not about firearms. It's about correcting people who want to make stupid laws based solely on gut feeling or on what a biased media source tells them. The topic could be about vehicles and speed limits or limits on the amount of horsepower they should be allowed to produce and coming up with asinine solutions that have no basis on research.
If I may say so as a Canadian member of a Canadian escort review board: "I respect Americans' wish to live and die with and by a multiplicity of guns. They have democratically elected to live in a gun based society. As far as I am concerned, as long as they only kill each other, I am fine with it."
 

essguy_

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For me its about my constitutional rights and yes that also goes for making emotional decisions to change/amend my god given right to protect myself.

There was a hilarious article in Buzzfeed after the NY terrorist attack. This is how FAR they are willing to go.

Here's an excerpt, I kid you not!

LOL Liberals!
How would mandatory background checks or gun safety certifications affect your 2nd Amendment rights? For safety, I'm convinced that many US gun owners are totally clueless about handling their weapons. Eg: I've been in a gun shop and have personally witnessed a guy come into the shop and pull his handgun out of his appendix holster to show the person what he needed. That guy is going to end up shot because of his own stupidity. (eg: I'm imagining him being stopped for a traffic violation and pulling his weapon when the cop asks him if he's carrying).

My personal opinion is that all private sales should be banned. I'd go further and ban sales at big box stores too. Support a local dealer. If you want to buy or sell a gun - go to a dealer. I'd rather a grizzled veteran gun dealer (who's packing) check out a potential buyer vs Chip/Buffy at Walmart. Also - a dealer is more knowledgeable about maintenance as well as places where a new owner could learn how to use his/her weapon. NO second amendment rights would be violated with this type of change. Of course the argument will be that illegal sales will continue. So what? FORCE head cases like Kelley to buy illegally. Many of them won't know how and won't get a weapon.
 
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