Another Mass Shooting in the U.S.
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This guy was seemingly a crazy "lone wolf". Religion probably had nothing to do with what he did, though that remains to be seen.
It seems to me that all these recent events is more proof that a benevolent deity does not exist.
In regards to people of faith not being able to kill others at prayer, I believe that throughout history there have been numerous instances of radical religious terrorists of several religions doing just that. To the best of my knowledge there have not been very many known instances of atheist terrorists whose goal was to murder the followers of other religions!
This guy on CNN tonight said there's an estimated 500 million firearms currently in the US. There's absolutely no fricking way you're gonna get rid of all those
While I would never have actually posted FTWWTF's "sick" joke, America itself is a sick joke - the nation would sooner watch itself burn than come together as a country and agree that there is a ripe middle ground of compromise: everything is either I'm 100% Democrat or 100% Republican, Right or Left, Pro-Gun or Anti-Gun, Pro-Choice or Anti-Abortionist. The "United" really needs to be taken out of the United States of America because they aren't united on anything except somehow the fallacious thought that America is the best country in the world despite its numerous flagrant issues.
Any sane removed person can see that there is a middle ground on nearly any conflict/debate, yet their own politicians will sooner tote the party line and refute any idea from the opposite side of the table (even the occasional good ones) while the country suffers/stagnates for it. The USA is a nation of fear-mongers and scared sheep, and the fear-mongers sell you the "protection" you think you need while you go and accidentally blow your own heads off (or worse, someone else's). About the only thing more diabolically clever was the tobacco industry, where they first got you addicted to the poison and pay for it, and then sell you the cure and you pay for it a second time. THAT's some Machiavellian Shit right there.
So yeah, America is a joke, and while every mass shooting is a tragedy, the sicker joke is each and every American citizen that continues to allow it to happen and has the short-term memory of a gold-fish when it comes to the massacres. You want justice? Enact real change. If ~50% of the country is Red and ~50% of the country is Blue, it should damn well be Purple rather than this lunacy cage match.
FULL STOP! Glad to hear you say this.
The rest, well, I'll leave that up to someone else to tackle, if they wish. We can agree to disagree.
It's amazing that anti-gun people can't see that it isn't guns, it's the culture of the country. Switzerland has a state sponsored shooting day, and the government hands out a military rifle to every male who serves in their military and allows them to keep the rifle at home. They are even allowed to keep it after they are discharged, yet no mass shootings occur that even remotely approaches the mass shooting death to population ratio as the U.S. Unfortunately for you, you'll have to do some math because it involves using statistics instead of assumptions.
Americans want their guns and don't want restrictions on gun ownership. California lost their court case on 10 round magazine restrictions. The state was unable to provide any shred of evidence that a 10 round magazine was safer than a 30 round magazine based on statistics of gun murders in the U.S., including mass shootings. They even admitted that 10 rounds was an arbitrary number.
Anyone expecting some type of legislation change should also be prepared to be disappointed because there is no support from the President for any change to occur.
I think one of the problems with this debate in the United States is how it is framed in "us vs them" terms. You don't have to be anti-gun to want more controls. Eg: I've met American gun owners who believe the gun-show loophole is ridiculous. And I've talked with diehard American gun enthusiasts who share my view that the majority of gun owners in the U.S. are a danger to themselves and others strictly because of their lack of training. So there is room to reach some form of middle ground that will make small adjustments possible. Whether these small adjustments would make a difference is debatable - but just dismissing any talk because it's labelled as "anti-gun" isn't productive. It's a depressing state of affairs when talk is now reduced to Democrat or Republican and that's all that's needed to dismiss it from either side.
The reality is, the Second Amendment isn't going anywhere in our lifetime or our children's lifetime. But adjustments can be made which do NOT affect any 2nd Amendment rights. It's long past the time to debate whether they'd be effective. The real question is whether they'd make it worse - and I don't think any of the small changes (eg - closing the Gun show loophole) would. So if the two sides can agree that there is a problem - then trying small changes should be the obvious next step.
Further developments: According to those who knew him, Devin Kelley was quite anti-religious in recent years.
His second wife's family attended this church
It appears that he and his second wife were recently estranged or divorced.
His second wife's family attended this church
It appears that he and his second wife were recently estranged or divorced.
Is his 2nd wife and her family among the dead??
EDIT: no they werent http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5054531/Shooter-targeted-church-ex-s-laws-worshiped.html
So did the good Samaritan kill the shooter? If so is he protected from the law I wonder or will he face murder charges too?
Still unknown if the shooter died from the Good Samaritan shooting him, or if after he crashed he committed suicide.
The Good Samaritan will not be charged this was simple self-defense (defense of a third person) against someone using deadly force, buttressing that, as if it need it, Texas is a "Stand-your-ground" state.
Sadly next month there will be another shooting. And then another shooting the month after that, and another the next month, and so on.....and so on.
I dont think there's much they can do about it. You just hope it doesnt happen to you
I dont think there's much they can do about it. You just hope it doesnt happen to you
Sheriff Joe made a statement that the shooter killed himself after the crash.
But that is preliminary. Gotta wait for ballistics.
Though he may have been wounded which contributed to the crash. Shooter was wearing some sort of flak vest as well apparently.
