I'm getting tired of this. Assault weapons existed BEFORE the 2A and were used for protection by the citizens.
Educate yourself.
Mass Shooting in Vegas
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Educate yourself.
LOL. And there sure was a lot of protection in the Vegas shooting. A dude who somehow amassed 30 guns mows down 100s of people and not one person tried stopping him in the 10 minutes he had to himself. By the time they finally broke into his room, he already shot himself.I'm getting tired of this. Assault weapons existed BEFORE the 2A and were used for protection by the citizens.
Educate yourself.
Great defence and protection there.
That's what happens when you let nutcases buy tons of guns. He gets first dibs and are willing to out guns a blazing.
A lot of these mass gun related killing sprees don't even end up with cops getting into a gun fight. Often times the murderer kills himself.
And for general gun related violence, how often do you hear about a guy who acted so fast with his gun nearby, he was able to counter the crook? Hardly ever. The criminal acts first usually gets away with doing the deed before Sally can reach for her gun and counter.
I've cherry picked nothing. I've provided FACTS and even links to most of those FACTS. Not only that, they are from credible sources, not the NRA, NSSF, etc., unless you think the FBI and newspapers like the Washington Post are in league with pro gun owners.Ya, I know. You'll cherry pick points while ignoring the rest of people's posts. I get it.
Hey man, you can love guns and spend all your money buying guns thinking a robber is going to break into your house every night, or the government is going to send Green Berets and take over every neighbourhood, but facts are facts.
The US has such am abnormally high gun violence stat compared to other countries, and if you can't see that guns are the key reason, that's totally fine. That's your opinion. But hey, like most of us on this board that are Canadians, we aren't the ones getting nailed in guns fights and gun related murder sprees.
You got to use your head sometimes look at the big picture instead of cherry picking points or promoting outdated 200 year old laws.
I never said guns weren't the key reason for some the problems in the U.S. and I've never promoted 200 year old laws. Go back and re read what I've written.
Case law from the U.S. Supreme court has been linked by SuperCharge that shows the modern day government supports those 200 year old laws.
What I have said is there's nothing you can do about what's happening in the U.S. and any efforts to bring in strict regulation is met with record breaking gun sales and massive resistance from the people.
Then take your beef to the cities where gun crime is the highest. You will also notice that those cities with the highest gun crime homicide rate are in heavily gun regulated areas.LOL. And there sure was a lot of protection in the Vegas shooting. A dude who somehow amassed 30 guns mows down 100s of people and not one person tried stopping him in the 10 minutes he had to himself. By the time they finally broke into his room, he already shot himself.
Great defence and protection there.
That's what happens when you let nutcases buy tons of guns. He gets first dibs and are willing to out guns a blazing.
A lot of these mass gun related killing sprees don't even end up with cops getting into a gun fight. Often times the murderer kills himself.
And for general gun related violence, how often do you hear about a guy who acted so fast with his gun nearby, he was able to counter the crook? Hardly ever. The criminal acts first usually gets away with doing the deed before Sally can reach for her gun and counter.
So you disarm law abiding citizens, and that's what you get. We can't protect ourselves from CRIMINALS.
Look to Chicago. I want to see the Democrats fix their own cities, before they lecture us law abiding hard working citizens.
The # of casualties in Vegas, happens EVERY WEEKEND IN CHICAGO!! Nobody gives a shit about that. Why aren't you talking about that EVERY WEEKEND??!!
Nobody gives a shit because a 50 killing weekend in Chicago isn't done by a single person carrying 30 guns on him.Then take your beef to the cities where gun crime is the highest. You will also notice that those cities with the highest gun crime homicide rate are in heavily gun regulated areas.
So you disarm law abiding citizens, and that's what you get. We can't protect ourselves from CRIMINALS.
Look to Chicago. I want to see the Democrats fix their own cities, before they lecture us law abiding hard working citizens.
The # of casualties in Vegas, happens EVERY WEEKEND IN CHICAGO!! Nobody gives a shit about that. Why aren't you talking about that EVERY WEEKEND??!!
Also nobody gives a shit because its mostly gang-bangers knocking each other offNobody gives a shit because a 50 killing weekend in Chicago isn't done by a single person carrying 30 guns on him
Back then the bad guys or "intruders" didn't have automatic weapons either. Today they do. So everyone is armed according to present day standards.When this was created 100s of years ago, it was a wild west of stupidity and not as controlled as now. So every person from someone living in a dirty crappy village to a guy living alone in the mountains had to be weary of intruders, and at that time it was unpredictable how good, evil, or effective the government would be to help people in need.
There isn't even a militia now as the government has formal control, policies, and organized legions of cops and soldiers to protect people.
Any kind of weapon back then (in this case guns as that's what everyone uses and kills with), were crude and slow. The laws made at the time involved weapons that did not have automatic fire, fast changing clips and range that's probably triple what it was back then.
Like everything in life, laws need to change to reflect modern times. Just like internet issues. You got all the copyright debates going back and forth years back because nowhere in law did it mean digital media. Well, laws are updated to include downloading now. So there's an example of changing things to reflect reality.
To take it to a silly extreme, let's say gun makers invent Star Trek phasers at some point. Aim, click and a laser travelling at light speed with infinite range instantly vapourizes someone.
Common sense would say, there's got to be regulation on these new insta-kill zappers. But pro-gun users will some reason keep advocating...... "More zappers needed"
They're doing the cops and citizens a favour by offing themselves.Also nobody gives a shit because its mostly gang-bangers knocking each other off
LOL, talking to me about "agenda". But sure, that's one of the points I'm making; you know what they say about the fox guarding the hen house...Are you saying the ATF stats on the majority of illegal guns coming from a small number of dirty gun dealers are wrong? Or are you just trying to dismiss details that interfere with the NRA agenda?
The fact that people can't see a reasonable middle ground and pretend that any regulation is really just an attempt to ban guns is comical.
What's comical is this talk of middle ground and compromise, as if that's what a gun grabber's agenda is. What's is actually comical is how gun grabbers can say something like, "Settle down you crazy redneck, no one is coming to take you guns", yet in the same breath say, "We just want to create a government watch list, oversee private transactions and create pertetual culpability (so someone can eventually take your guns)."
As is justifying a perceived lack of necessity to make something illegal.I'm sure you say that about all laws. If gun manufacturers want access to the largest market in the world then they will comply.
Thanks for reinforcing my point. Most people have absolutely ZERO use for extended mags. Hunters don't. Collectors don't. I don't know of any competition classes that require an extended mag. The only argument is that some people want them (but people wanting things isn't an excuse to make meth legal).
Actually, there have been instances in the past where manufacturers being overly compliant, to a spiteful degree. "Sorry officer, you don't live and operate in a free state, so no 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity magazines' for you."
Guess how long that lasted?
Yet, you're worried about the proliferation of high-dollar, top-shelf firearms today? I think you've either missed the forest for the trees or you have unknowingly agreed with me; the market regulates itself, not every "Larry and Linda" can afford the 5-figure price tags of Class III devices in the United States.Ya, and how many people back then had access or money to buy something like that?
Edit. I just read the wiki on it. It sold two units, and its aim was for British military sales ad usage. Not meant for Larry and Linda to plunk one on their front porch as a line of defence.
Exactly, no one gives a shit (because it doesn't suit the narrative you're pushing).Nobody gives a shit because a 50 killing weekend in Chicago isn't done by a single person carrying 30 guns on him.
And Larry and Linda don't need 5-figure weapons to mow people down.Yet, you're worried about the proliferation of high-dollar, top-shelf firearms today? I think you've either missed the forest for the trees or you have unknowingly agreed with me; the market regulates itself, not every "Larry and Linda" can afford the 5-figure price tags of Class III devices in the United States.
Any modern day gun can kill people fast and easy. You don't need gatling gun kinds of weapons to do that. All yo need is a pistol and some extra mags, and that's more than enough to do damage among a crowd. And considering how many guns are out there in the masses, anyone can afford one, two, or 30 like the Vegas guy.
Just to show how easy it is, every year you hear about a 5 year old who finds a gun, points it at someone or himself and pulls the trigger not knowing any better.
Now put that gun into an adults hands and there's your serial killing, or crime wave antics.
That's why guns are always used. Fast and easy. When was the last time a mass murderer tried killing groups of people with knives or with kicks and punches? Never.
Way to start with an anecdotal fallacy and finish it off with something ridiculous. Really, "never"?And Larry and Linda don't need 5-figure weapons to mow people down.
Any modern day gun can kill people fast and easy. You don't need gatling gun kinds of weapons to do that. All yo need is a pistol and some extra mags, and that's more than enough to do damage among a crowd. And considering how many guns are out there in the masses, anyone can afford one, two, or 30 like the Vegas guy.
Just to show how easy it is, every year you hear about a 5 year old who finds a gun, points it at someone or himself and pulls the trigger not knowing any better.
Now put that gun into an adults hands and there's your serial killing, or crime wave antics.
That's why guns are always used. Fast and easy. When was the last time a mass murderer tried killing groups of people with knives or with kicks and punches? Never.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html
Thank you. So all the government needs to do is pass a federal law against high capacity magazines.Don't you realize? It's not the gun manufacturers. They comply with all laws, State and Federal. ....
People want crack and meth too. Is that a justification for legalizing them?
And you prove my point. The NRA narrative is all regulation is just an attempt to "grab" all the guns.LOL, talking to me about "agenda". But sure, that's one of the points I'm making; you know what they say about the fox guarding the hen house...
What's comical is this talk of middle ground and compromise, as if that's what a gun grabber's agenda is. What's is actually comical is how gun grabbers can say something like, "Settle down you crazy redneck, no one is coming to take you guns", yet in the same breath say, "We just want to create a government watch list, oversee private transactions and create pertetual culpability (so someone can eventually take your guns)."
11 shot capacity? Not too worrisome....
Say hello to the Puckle Gun of 1718. 73 years BEFORE the 2A.
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But how many people in the US had anything like that in 1776?
Uh...because it is.And you prove my point. The NRA narrative is all regulation is just an attempt to "grab" all the guns.
Which assault weapons? A muzzle loading musket with a bayonet?I'm getting tired of this. Assault weapons existed BEFORE the 2A and were used for protection by the citizens.
Educate yourself.
The only multi-fire weapons were very rare guns of a revolver type or massive pieces of ordinance like volley guns. Repeating rifles were becoming a thing in the 17th century but they were mainly breach loading rifles; quicker to load then a smooth bore but far from any moder concept of an assault weapon. The first true, portable assault rifles were designed by the Germans in WWII
Local regulations don't work when driving past the town/state line gets you somewhere with next to no regulation. That's why firearms need to be regulated federally.Then take your beef to the cities where gun crime is the highest. You will also notice that those cities with the highest gun crime homicide rate are in heavily gun regulated areas. ...
