Mass Shooting in Vegas
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For pro-gun users, no.
Their reasoning is going to be something like:
More guns = more security = crooks commit less crime because they are afraid Bob and Suzy will hurriedly grab that brand new pistol locked in a safe and defend their motor home.
Education is definitely up, I can't think of another time in history when being a firearms instructor could be so lucrative. Not to mention home video or even free resources like YouTube.
I'm just waiting for a gun grabber to make that sound like a bad thing, I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
I'm just waiting for a gun grabber to make that sound like a bad thing, I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
I'm getting tired of telling you. Do some research instead of making assumptions.
A new law won't do anything. Look at the FACTS. It's not working in Colorado. What makes you think it will work nationally? Colorado isn't even a belligerent state like Alablama, Georgia or Texas. LA and Chicago have massive gun problems despite strict firerams restrictions. Quit recycling hair brained ideas that would fly like a lead balloon.
I also told you, people like to OWN guns. Not so much shoot them. If you did some analysis instead of recycling other people's ideas, you'd figure out that there's no way people are making magazine dumps on a regular basis like you think they do. There's around 300 million guns in the U.S.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
There would be gunfire 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week if people shot their 300 million guns on a regular basis. Better yet, how about you actually go check out a shooting range and see what goes on there? Just because a person owns 10 full cap mags doesn't mean he fires off every one when he goes to the range.
People buy high horsepower cars and trucks with awesome off road capabilities all the time. Doesn't mean they utilize those capacities. The average sports car owner never takes it to the track. 9 out of 10 SUV's never go off road, yet aftermarket companies thrive selling all sorts of enhancement parts because it makes the owners feel good.
Every time you post, you show your ignorance. Hunters carry the capacity they are allowed to use for the game they are hunting. Anyone who hunts hogs in Texas uses full cap mags because they are trying to exterminate an invasive species. Same with varmint hunters.
How about you read the article and increase YOUR level of education. If you had read this article, you wouldn't have even asked this question.
Same with you Occasionally. Do some research instead of making assumptions.
The FACTS are out there. All you two have to do is use the internet instead of letting the mass media manipulate you.
If you were smart enough, you'd realize my post was exaggerated to make a funny point.
Never the less, great article poorboy.
So what is says is that gun violence is down vs. 20 years ago due to more cops, better health and an improved economy.
In other words, when things are going well, people with guns behave. But when things go downhill, numb nuts will start blasting again.
The difference is the US has an absurd amount of guns that are easy to get, and their kill ratios vs. other countries is through the roof. While just about every other western country has pretty similar low rates of gun violence per capita, the US bar charts literally go off the page as if their graphic equals all other country bar charts combined.
And that's the way they want it. Can't do a damn thing about it. The people do not want their second amendment rights infringed upon.
Fortunately the framers were wise enough to entrench the right of the people within our constitutional structure. The purpose and importance of that right was still fresh in their minds, and they spelled it out clearly so it would not be forgotten. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
This is OUR RIGHT. not a privilege. PERIOD!
Educate yourselves; Judge Kozinski’s Dissenting Opinion in Silveira v. Lockyer http://keepandbeararms.com/silveira/EnBancOrder.pdf …
Are you saying the ATF stats on the majority of illegal guns coming from a small number of dirty gun dealers are wrong? Or are you just trying to dismiss details that interfere with the NRA agenda?
The fact that people can't see a reasonable middle ground and pretend that any regulation is really just an attempt to ban guns is comical.
I'm sure you say that about all laws. If gun manufacturers want access to the largest market in the world then they will comply.
Thanks for reinforcing my point. Most people have absolutely ZERO use for extended mags. Hunters don't. Collectors don't. I don't know of any competition classes that require an extended mag. The only argument is that some people want them (but people wanting things isn't an excuse to make meth legal).
Yet the 'right' is already infringed with all kinds of state and federal regulations regarding the possession, use and sales of guns. The only question is which restrictions are reasonable.
p.s. the fact that he's a dissenting opinion means that the majority of the court disagreed with him.
When this was created 100s of years ago, it was a wild west of stupidity and not as controlled as now. So every person from someone living in a dirty crappy village to a guy living alone in the mountains had to be weary of intruders, and at that time it was unpredictable how good, evil, or effective the government would be to help people in need.
There isn't even a militia now as the government has formal control, policies, and organized legions of cops and soldiers to protect people.
Any kind of weapon back then (in this case guns as that's what everyone uses and kills with), were crude and slow. The laws made at the time involved weapons that did not have automatic fire, fast changing clips and range that's probably triple what it was back then.
Like everything in life, laws need to change to reflect modern times. Just like internet issues. You got all the copyright debates going back and forth years back because nowhere in law did it mean digital media. Well, laws are updated to include downloading now. So there's an example of changing things to reflect reality.
To take it to a silly extreme, let's say gun makers invent Star Trek phasers at some point. Aim, click and a laser travelling at light speed with infinite range instantly vapourizes someone.
Common sense would say, there's got to be regulation on these new insta-kill zappers. But pro-gun users will some reason keep advocating...... "More zappers needed"
Don't you realize? It's not the gun manufacturers. They comply with all laws, State and Federal. Again, if you did some research, you'd know that companies like Smith and Wesson and Springfield Armoury operate in Ma. which has some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S.
It's the PEOPLE who want those magazines. They WANT them, just like the auto example I previously outlined, and just like every other consumer good on the market. No one NEEDS an iPhone 10. No one NEEDS a Sub Zero fridge. No one NEEDS a Harmon Kardon stereo. They WANT it.
You don't know of any competitions that require full mags because you don't know anything about shooting sports and haven't bothered to do any research. I've already previously named several organizations where you have to run full mags to be competitive.
Again, every time you post, you show your lack of knowledge. Do some research and learn something about what you object to.
You're dissenting opinion didn't read past the first 5 lines, typical of emotional responses.
Again, educate yourself.
In the U.S. Supreme Court case of District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 US 570 (2008), the opinion in Silveira v. Lockyer was overruled. The Supreme Court held in Heller that the right to keep and bear arms is a right of individuals. The Supreme Court also later held in McDonald v. Chicago, in 2010, that the Second Amendment is an incorporated right,[SUP][2][/SUP] meaning that it is applicable to state governments as well as the Federal government.
Got news for you buddy. Not much has changed.
Look up the average 911 response time in Detroit. If you are depending on the police to save you, you'll be disappointed at best. Dead at the worst.
Same with those who live in rural areas. Check out the 911 response times out there.
The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they entrenched it into our constitution.
If you think the founding fathers only had muskets, think again.
Say hello to the Puckle Gun of 1718. 73 years BEFORE the 2A.
Stop your nonsense.
Ya, I know. You'll cherry pick points while ignoring the rest of people's posts. I get it.
Hey man, you can love guns and spend all your money buying guns thinking a robber is going to break into your house every night, or the government is going to send Green Berets and take over every neighbourhood, but facts are facts.
The US has such am abnormally high gun violence stat compared to other countries, and if you can't see that guns are the key reason, that's totally fine. That's your opinion. But hey, like most of us on this board that are Canadians, we aren't the ones getting nailed in guns fights and gun related murder sprees.
You got to use your head sometimes look at the big picture instead of cherry picking points or promoting outdated 200 year old laws.
Ya, and how many people back then had access or money to buy something like that?The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they entrenched it into our constitution.
If you think the founding fathers only had muskets, think again.
Say hello to the Puckle Gun of 1718. 73 years BEFORE the 2A.
Stop your nonsense.
Edit. I just read the wiki on it. It sold two units, and its aim was for British military sales ad usage. Not meant for Larry and Linda to plunk one on their front porch as a line of defence.
