Iran nukes

[Insidious Von]

Trumpy is hell bent on destroying "that Muslim nigger's" legacy. He is considering scrapping President Obama's nuclear arms deal with Iran. As I've said before, the only alternative is war.

The UN says that Iran is abiding by the deal, even though the country has tested missiles. For Iran it makes sense, they've been able to reconstruct their economy, at the same time exert their influence in the Middle East. Iran also has infinitely more resources than North Korea, they could ramp up their nuclear program at breakneck speed. Scrapping the program would make the world a much more dangerous place. Trumpy cannot fathom what war with Iran would entail, it's beyond his scope of thought. To have any hope of success, Trumpy would have to bring back the draft and the death toll, in American lives, would exceed Vietnam's. Saudi Arabia and Israel would be overjoyed - of course.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/13/16301160/trump-iran-deal-why-cancel

 

[basketcase]

We should all be scared if Trump pulls out of the deal.

First off, I don't like the original deal. The deal should have destroyed the majority of Iran's centrifuges instead of just shutting them down. That capacity means that time it takes between Iran deciding to abandon the deal and having a nuclear warhead is short enough that there is no way the UN could intervene even if there was the political will. In addition, the deal allows Iran to deny access to any site the consider military which creates more than a slight loophole. And forgive me but between Iran's calls for the destruction of the US amongst others, the little concern they show for human rights, and their support for numerous terrorist organizations, I don't trust them. But pulling out of the deal without a consensus of international support will result in a nuclear Iran followed by a nuclear Saudi Arabia; another country that supports terror and with an even less respect for human rights.

And between the deal and war, their is the option of sanctions. The sanctions unfortunately hit the poor hardest but it sure is better than a nuclear Iran or war.

 

[K Douglas]

We should all be scared if Trump pulls out of the deal.

First off, I don't like the original deal. The deal should have destroyed the majority of Iran's centrifuges instead of just shutting them down. That capacity means that time it takes between Iran deciding to abandon the deal and having a nuclear warhead is short enough that there is no way the UN could intervene even if there was the political will. In addition, the deal allows Iran to deny access to any site the consider military which creates more than a slight loophole. And forgive me but between Iran's calls for the destruction of the US amongst others, the little concern they show for human rights, and their support for numerous terrorist organizations, I don't trust them. But pulling out of the deal without a consensus of international support will result in a nuclear Iran followed by a nuclear Saudi Arabia; another country that supports terror and with an even less respect for human rights.

And between the deal and war, their is the option of sanctions. The sanctions unfortunately hit the poor hardest but it sure is better than a nuclear Iran or war.

I think it's a case of damned if we do damned if we don't. I don't believe for a second Iran has halted their nuclear arms ambitions. It was a horrific deal. Iran is laughing at us. All the way to the bank. Unfortunately, I agree with you that if Trump just pulls out there will be major consequences. It would most certainly expedite an arms race between Iran and it's Arab adversaries further destabilizing a tense region.

 

[Frankfooter]

You shouldn't worry about Iran, they are abiding by the treaty.

But Saudi, who supports way more terrorism....
https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-reportedly-purchased-nukes-from-pakistan/

 

[basketcase]

You shouldn't worry about Iran, they are abiding by the treaty.

But Saudi, who supports way more terrorism....
https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-reportedly-purchased-nukes-from-pakistan/

We should be worried about both and both support terrorism. At Least Saudi has enough people in power who are pragmatically allied to the west and are further away from nuclear capability. Of course the only reason they are even looking at nukes is because they are in a proxy terrorist war with Iran .

 

[onthebottom]

The damage is done, Obama forked over $200b to the largest state sponsor of terrorism....

 

[Insidious Von]

The damage is done, Obama forked over $200b to the largest state sponsor of terrorism....

I believe you OTB, it was the Iranians that brought down The World Trade Center. Just like the Nazis attacked Pearl Harbour.

A footnote of history, The Ottoman Turks would have taken over both Venice and Vienna if not for Persian intervention. This happened 14 years before Christopher Columbus sailed west. Regardless of what your op of Obama's nuclear deal it was a better option than copious bloodshed.

 

[Frankfooter]

We should be worried about both and both support terrorism. At Least Saudi has enough people in power who are pragmatically allied to the west and are further away from nuclear capability. Of course the only reason they are even looking at nukes is because they are in a proxy terrorist war with Iran .

The Saudi's are way crazier then Iran.
Look at Yemen and their attack on Al Jazeera, not to mention their backing of the 9/11 attackers.
And Saudi most likely has the bomb now, unlike Iran.

 

[Insidious Von]

The Saudi's are way crazier then Iran.
Look at Yemen and their attack on Al Jazeera, not to mention their backing of the 9/11 attackers.
And Saudi most likely has the bomb now, unlike Iran.

The stone age desert rats don't have the technology to produce a bomb - unless they bought one. Boko Haram (practice the example of the Prophet Mohammad - Western knowledge is evil). That must be why Boko Haram kidnapped all those schoolgirls. The Prophet had prepubescent wives.

 

[Frankfooter]

The stone age desert rats don't have the technology to produce a bomb - unless they bought one. Boko Haram (practice the example of the Prophet Mohammad - Western knowledge is evil). That must be why Boko Haram kidnapped all those schoolgirls. The Prophet had prepubescent wives.

The rumours are that Saudi Arabia bought the bomb from Pakistan.

'Course the only countries that aren't party to the NPT right now are Pakistan, North Korea, Sudan, India and Israel.

 

[nottyboi]

We should all be scared if Trump pulls out of the deal.

First off, I don't like the original deal. The deal should have destroyed the majority of Iran's centrifuges instead of just shutting them down. That capacity means that time it takes between Iran deciding to abandon the deal and having a nuclear warhead is short enough that there is no way the UN could intervene even if there was the political will. In addition, the deal allows Iran to deny access to any site the consider military which creates more than a slight loophole. And forgive me but between Iran's calls for the destruction of the US amongst others, the little concern they show for human rights, and their support for numerous terrorist organizations, I don't trust them. But pulling out of the deal without a consensus of international support will result in a nuclear Iran followed by a nuclear Saudi Arabia; another country that supports terror and with an even less respect for human rights.

And between the deal and war, their is the option of sanctions. The sanctions unfortunately hit the poor hardest but it sure is better than a nuclear Iran or war.

Iran has a right to use nuclear power. They need centrifuges to enrich uranium. There is no reason to destroy the centrifuges as Iran is limited to a 600kg stockpile of low enriched uranium.

 

[Big Sleazy]

Iran has never attacked anybody in over 100 probably 200 years. They defended themselves when the West backed Iraq in the War that was fought for 8 years. And over 8 years it cost Iran 500,000 military and civilian casualties. And they didn't lose an inch of territory. They're blustering about Iran's nukes because they've been losing in Syria. Now the Anglo-Zionists are trying to carve out another Israel in the MENA utilizing the Kurd's as their proxies. Israel is worried they're going to lose the Golan Heights and ultimately the freeing of the Palestinians. This is a legitimate concerns because every country in the MENA HATES Israel and Saudi Arabia. Other than a couple of Monarchies like the UAE. This could get blown out of control very quickly if we're not careful. It could bring America and it's proxies ISIS and the Kurd's in direct line of fire with Russia/Syria/Hezbollah/ and likely Turkey. America is losing the petrodollar status in the MENA. I anticipate that this is going to get very ugly. But Iran's nuclear capability is just a smoke screen for a much much larger War.

 

[fuji]

Iran has a right to use nuclear power. They need centrifuges to enrich uranium. There is no reason to destroy the centrifuges as Iran is limited to a 600kg stockpile of low enriched uranium.

They could use other centrifuges to produce nuclear fuel, the ones they have are for making weapons. Fuel doesn't need the same level of purity.

THESE centrifuges should be destroyed.

No problem if Iran wants to spin commercial centrifuges that can't make weapons.

 

[basketcase]

The Saudi's are way crazier then Iran....

Not in practice. The Iranian leadership keep talking about destroying America while the Saudis are trade partners.

And not a chance that Saudi has nuclear weapons.

 

[basketcase]

Iran has a right to use nuclear power. They need centrifuges to enrich uranium. ...

#1 is absolutely true. #2 isn't.

Canada has way more commercial reactors than Iran (they have only 1) without enriching fuel. Iran refused a deal that would have provided them with reactor grade uranium. But more importantly they have more enrichment capacity than the US which has around 100 commercial reactors of their own and they supply a bunch of other countries. The only conceivable use of Iran's 25,000 reactors is to maintain a very short breakout time.

 

[Frankfooter]

Not in practice. The Iranian leadership keep talking about destroying America while the Saudis are trade partners.

And not a chance that Saudi has nuclear weapons.

'Talking'?

Are you really equating heinous acts like supporting 9/11 with Iran 'talking' bad?
And if you think that's bad, then you must think Trump is the devil himself with his threats to totally wipe out North Korea.

 

[Frankfooter]

#1 is absolutely true. #2 isn't.

Canada has way more commercial reactors than Iran (they have only 1) without enriching fuel. Iran refused a deal that would have provided them with reactor grade uranium. But more importantly they have more enrichment capacity than the US which has around 100 commercial reactors of their own and they supply a bunch of other countries. The only conceivable use of Iran's 25,000 reactors is to maintain a very short breakout time.

Iran did a deal for enriched uranium but got screwed over on it. And of course Israel also assassinated some scientists so Iran is understandably reticent with dealing with the US on the matter.

So yes, they do need centrifuges since their treaty buddies like Trump are totally untrustworthy.

 

[basketcase]

'Talking'?....

Yes, publicly promoting the destruction of the US and indoctrinating their people in that belief is an issue. Meanwhile the Saudis are pragmatic enough to be major trade partners.

 

[basketcase]

Iran did a deal for enriched uranium but got screwed over on it. And of course Israel also assassinated some scientists so Iran is understandably reticent with dealing with the US on the matter.

So yes, they do need centrifuges since their treaty buddies like Trump are totally untrustworthy.

Oh what a surprise, you want to blame Israel and the US

And of course you ignore the fact that Iran has more centrifuges for one commercial reactor than the used for the hundred in the US. The only reason for that capacity can be a quick breakout time.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, publicly promoting the destruction of the US and indoctrinating their people in that belief is an issue.

When have they said anything as threatening as:

Trump’s threat to 'totally destroy' North Korea is straight out of the 'madman' playbook

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-un-speech-rocket-man-north-korea-madman-missile

Do you think therefore that the US is just as evil as Iran?