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IM469

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HI all

Need some advice... I'm sure everyone has a lot of life lessons to offer.

Things aren't going so great with the wife. Lots of discussions about divorce.

I don't want to. However... it's just not a happy household anymore. Can't make her happy. Can't buy her expensive luxury items. She doesn't want sex. Just wants to shop, gossip, and spend money.

My question's are...

Is there life after divorce? I have 3 kids. Can we survive this financial turmoil? She stopped working due to the kids. I'm 40 and have a steady great paying job. I am fearful of the road that lies ahead. Time without my children. Support payments. What should I do?
I've pulled it off and we remained good friends. Not professional advice but my recommendations from a survivor.

1) Talk about the divorce before you speak to lawyers with the common first and most important priority being the kids. Either one forgets this is a selfish prick and trust me you will loose more than just equity.

2) We planned on open access to the kids and joint participation on important events. Todate we still share Christmas with the new spouses and kids. (Maybe we are lucky but it's all about the kids.)

3) Beware the lawyers on both sides. They are bloodthirsty scums who could care less about the kids other than a negotiating tactic. Keep the lines of communication open and be strong with the lawyers if they seem to be recommending tactics you don't agree.

4) Many of her friends will come out of the woodwork encouraging blood. These are insecure bitches that don't want their spouses to see anything but financial ruin in a divorce.

My thoughts - may not work for you.
 

silk123

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Best advise I have seen so far is make sure you have a good Lawyer, the courts are tilted for the separating or divorcing wife. Even after you complete your child support payments she will want to live deep in your pockets for the rest of your life. If you find another partner and get married, only the lord can save you.
 

freedom3

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I would go for the joint custody, with equal time spent with the children, by both parents. Less financial turmoil and fair to both. Let her start spending the money she earns, while also dealing with expenses of the children.
Great advice. However, he should also ask Santa for a new Bentley.
 
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desert monk

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I second all the comments about you being royally fucked. I listened to 2 coworkers discussing this (one got divorced in the last year, the other is about to get divorced). You will probably forfeight 50% or more of your income, and she may be entitled to alimony for a very long time.

Is it possible for you to work things out? I would try and exhaust that option. Divorce is probably more work and hassle than staying and trying to make it work. Studies have shown that most people regret their divorces after 5 years anyways. Divorce is just one big pay day for greasy lawyers, social workers, and other scum. More needless government intrusion into people's lives if you ask me. The media should also be ashamed, as they glorify divorce for women and create the illusion that single moms are considered hot and desirable to men (I find them repulsive).
 

managee

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As great as TERB is, and I imagine it's pretty wealthy in collective divorce information, consider seeing a counsellor or therapist for yourself. Ideally, try to get her (SO) to agree to come in to see someone with you (couples counselling). Sometimes this is covered under some group benefits plans.

Your GP might be a big help as well. It's worth telling him/her what's going on and how you're feeling if this is affecting your functionality at work (or your sleep patterns).

Assuming you're pretty honest with her about income and assets, and she's not an unfit parent, rushing to lawyer-up may be jumping the gun IMO. Personally, I imagine if it's salvageable, salvaging the marriage is the ideal solution.

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That said, you'll probably want to get some legal advice, regardless. Especially if there are family assets (cottage, inheritance etc.) that are soon to be coming your way. There are tons of books on divorce law in this country. Knowledge is power and it might ease some of your anxieties, at-least as far as the process goes.

My advice would be to remember Newton's Third Law: for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you get a ball-busting asshole lawyer, so will she. And since you're the only one earning an income, my money would be on you eventually paying her lawyer fees (one way or another).

In my experience, the only one that "wins" in this situation are the lawyers. If the marriage is truly unsalvageable, the less acrimonious this process is, I imagine the better it'll be for you both.

I strongly recommend "Collaborative Practice" lawyers. Essentially, these are lawyers trained in (and agreeable to) mediation. Look up OCLF for more information.

If you're looking to be awarded sole-custody, all of the marital assets and for her to not ever see a dime of spousal support, this is NOT the route for you. But as many have already pointed out, dream on.

If you're hoping to leave with what you're entitled to under the law, and expect she'll get the same, collaborative practice is a pretty good route to get there quickly with a lot less pain than you'll probably give (and get) with ball-busting, letter-writing lawyers.

I think it's been said, but she's legally entitled to half of the value of the growth in combined (family) net-worth between the date your co-habitation period began, and whenever your separation date is. This calculation is black and white and it makes no difference who worked and who didn't. She gets half of the value of your couch, you get half of the value of her car if they were bought after co-habitation began. She gets to keep the box of tampons, but you are owed half of its value.

So, to the 'you being royally fucked' statements, I'd say if you feel that you deserve more than half (in-terms of the division of assets) for any reason, then yes, you're about to get royally fucked.

The spousal support payments and custody arrangements are a whole other thing, and this is where going to the greasiest, ball-busting lawyer(s) you can find might put you at an advantage. But if she happens to react by finding an even greasier, soul-annihilating lawyer, you might get substantively fucked. This would be an unacceptable risk to me, unless you have an ace in the hole.

Let's assume you don't. I'll re-state my suggestion for collaborative practice lawyers. Ease her into the idea (you both have to agree to a CP arrangement), if this is the route for you. Get her to want a fair settlement 'for the good of the kids.'

You'll be dealing with this woman until your kids are 18, and probably for a while after that (post-secondary school, moving back home after post-secondary school, weddings, grandkids etc.) Attempting to screw her over in the separation/divorce isn't a great foundation to build this new relationship on top of.

Good luck!
 
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First, you will be much happier after getting divorced. It's like hip surgery, you put it off and then wonder why you waited so long.

Second, you are going to get screwed financially, the courts have decided what none of us are allowed to say in poilite conversation, woman can't take care of themselves.

Third, there is nothing you can do about the above and she's already costing a fortune now....

Fourth, and by far the most important, it's all about the kids. Make them the only priority and the rest of the bullshit will sort itself out.

Fifth, the lawyers are skum, will want to turn every little thing into a battle and bill you for it. Take all your stuff, income, bills, retirement, divide by 2 and there you go....
 

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Plan a family vacation to Mexico. Get back to basics. Block out the noise and focus on your family. It may just be the right medicine to save your marriage.

If it doesn't work you can also plot to... ah... nevermind.
 
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desert monk

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Some of the easiest lays and best "no strings attached" trysts have been with hot single moms. I'm dead serious.
Of course they put out and they're easy lays, they have nothing else to offer but what's in between their legs. No high sexual market value man with any kind of self-respect would have fuckall to do with them otherwise.
 

rbadun

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The best thing to do is to quit your job. Don't threaten to quit. Just quit (because of, ie. depression). Or better yet, get fired.

The key to understanding women after marriage and kids is realizing that she now has to deal with the big question in her life: "What do I need him for? If we divorce, I get the kids, house, and cheques for life!" Before marriage, she was very attracted to you because of your economic power. (Do you remember the sex back then?) But, because you got married without a prenup, your economic power is now hers and so she has lost her attraction for you. At this point, your salvation is to make it clear that there will be no big cash payment on a divorce. All of a sudden you will go from being the household idiot to a valued member of the household because everyone will want you to get back to work. Don't do it. From now on: She works and you are staying home with the kids.

You're welcome.

As a male you are fucked.

As a male that is the sole breadwinner..... you are fucked X 100

Stop earning money ASAP. Depression as an excuse sounds great.

Come to the understanding that 90% of what you make will go to your wife & trudeau.
 

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Of course they put out and they're easy lays, they have nothing else to offer but what's in between their legs.
Sometimes that's all you need! We're on an escort review board after all... if I was getting all the sex I could handle I would not be here. I gather you are just here out of curiosity. haha
 

managee

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Committing to the "depression excuse" is not (IMO) a great way to ensure you get custody of the kids over your SO (obviously). Courts will almost always do what's best for the kids. Sending them to live with sad dad (read: clinically depressed) is unlikely unless mom is somehow a more unfit parent.

Plus, you need to keep up the whole 'I can't work' piece in perpetuity. I'm not sure what your LTD situation is like, but it's generally not enough to thrive on as a single man.

Going back to work eventually would likely trigger the renegotiation of spousal support, as it's not hard to open up even "ironclad" separation agreements, assuming she doesn't remarry.
 

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I've pulled it off and we remained good friends. Not professional advice but my recommendations from a survivor.

1) Talk about the divorce before you speak to lawyers with the common first and most important priority being the kids. Either one forgets this is a selfish prick and trust me you will loose more than just equity.

2) We planned on open access to the kids and joint participation on important events. Todate we still share Christmas with the new spouses and kids. (Maybe we are lucky but it's all about the kids.)

3) Beware the lawyers on both sides. They are bloodthirsty scums who could care less about the kids other than a negotiating tactic. Keep the lines of communication open and be strong with the lawyers if they seem to be recommending tactics you don't agree.

4) Many of her friends will come out of the woodwork encouraging blood. These are insecure bitches that don't want their spouses to see anything but financial ruin in a divorce.

My thoughts - may not work for you.
I separated from my ex-wife almost 3 years ago. I'm happy to see someone post that you need to do what's best for the kids. That's also a good last point you made, other women will encourage her to go after everything.
Many years ago I separated from my daughters mothers, so I'd been through breakups before.
Kids were grown up by the time I separated from my wife 3 yrs ago.
We sat down at Tim Hortons and wrote up a separation agreement ourselves. She recognized I was the earner and I got a slightly better deal. We had some equity in the house so we spit that after paying everything off.
Ex and her daughter and son in law helped us finish the renovations on the house so we'd get better value selling it.
Then we went out separate ways. I still get to see grandkids on special occasions as long as I don't forget birthdays :)
To save legal fees, we downloaded a template, made out own legal agreement and had it signed and notarized. We gave the agreement to the real estate layer and he wrote us checks according to the agreement.
Not a fan of lawyers.
 

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Of course they put out and they're easy lays, they have nothing else to offer but what's in between their legs. No high sexual market value man with any kind of self-respect would have fuckall to do with them otherwise.
Hmmm, good point
 

desert monk

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Sometimes that's all you need! We're on an escort review board after all... if I was getting all the sex I could handle I would not be here. I gather you are just here out of curiosity. haha
Bang away if that's what you want, just beware. Single moms are like dangerous pets. I've been there and done that, and I'm just tired of their manipulative games and alterior motives. Not to mention all the other downsides. Too bad their numbers are increasing exponentially, they truly are a drain on society.
 

freedom3

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I do not think you should quit or get fired from your job is an option . This would not show the court your fit to gain custody or share custody , especially if you use depression as an excuse . Remember your kids are your first priority and not taking care of them financially does not look good in a divorce situation and would be hurtful to your children .
Quitting prevents the divorce in the first place. It's like wanting to work for an employer and then finding out that the employer won't be paying you. All of a sudden, you don't want the job.
 

Ms.FemmeFatale

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Quitting any work is the dumbest idea being stated out here. You will fuck yourself even more. You will be imputed that the average income you made for the last 3 years. Having a high support rate when you quit your job is not going to fun. For all you idiots who think you can just not work and therefore you can skirt your child support obligations, stop. Just stop. Stop thinking, stop giving advice, stop being idiots. Do you really think that when the family law act was created and updated over and over again over the years, that the smart people making it, didn't think about all the angles support payers will use to get out of paying support???? Come on.

Depression will only work so far as well. He was never depressed before, but NOW has clinical depression that will never go away???? Fuck off with that bullshit too. Not to mention how insulting it is to those who actually suffer. Why not suggest to him to fake fucking cancer too????

OP - you are screwed if your goal is to try and save money on this. You made the choice to make all the money for the family. That will not change, nor should it. If you guys stayed together, she would still stay at home for the kids, so the same will be expected when you are divorce. You don't change shit and neither does she. You pay, she parents. Sorry to sound harsh, but you made your choice for life. Now you have to stick to it. Thankfully only until your last kid is about 18 and out of the house, or 23 and done college. Welcome to living with your decisions in life.
 

Smooth60

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Along with Ms Femme's remarks those advising counselling are also wrong in this case specifically and also generally. Even when both parties are committed to counselling the success rate is low, under 30%. OP has already stated that she wants to divorce. She will not be an active participant in counselling and therefore it will fail. She has already made up her mind and will not do the homework necessary for couple counselling. Furthermore, all counselling will do is give her ammunition.

Lawyer Up!!!
 
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