Climate Fraud Exposed: CO2 Doesn’t Rise Up, Trap And Retain Heat
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Phil, clearly this debate you're having is going nowhere. People on the other side of the issue have just invested too much of their credibility (and maybe even their identity) in their position to ever consider retreating from flawed positions. However, I keep returning to read your posts just to see your sig pics. Some points are debateable, but your good taste in sig pics is beyond reasonable argument!
Which points of mine do you think are debatable?? I love a good debate, so come at me
Nope.
The level of water vapour in the water vapour feed back loop,...is driven by temperature,...as I said, according to NASA,...or is the NASA site kooky,...???
I really don't give a shit,...you don't discuss,..you insult and resort back to some nature magazine when cornered.
But now you are agreeing you were wrong about no 30 year span of decreasing planet temperatures,...that's a good start.
Although you ran away from accusing me of linking kooky sites,...so still a long way to go.
And what do you think drives the temperature change that drives the water vapor levels?
When CO2 levels rise they directly contribute additional warming which is then multiplied by the additional water vapor that additional warming creates.
The level of temperature and the level of water vapor is an output of the level of CO2.
There are many natural occurrences that drives the temperature component of the water vapour positive feed back loop,...El Niño being just one,...as per NASA.
The very small increase, can be easily be attributed to natural causes,...has been happening for 1000's of years.
We still have not reached the last peak of the planet's last natural cycle.
That's why the self proclaimed unemployable experts now scream "climate change",...not global warming.
You keep saying this but I've already shown you proof that the warming effect of CO2 has been directly measured. It's not a "could be" question, we KNOW.
The only debate is over the future, and there the only open question is whether the warming will be by more or less than 2 degrees C.
Phil seems to think that's small, demonstrating how fantastically ignorant he is.
Fuji, I haven't been following this thread much.
What's the verdict on this CO2 heavier than other GHGs such that it does not trap heat?
One could argue that it since it is heavier, it is BELOW other atmospheric GHG, such that it DOES trap sufficient heat to cause GW.
(P.S. Feedback GHGs like water vapour don't count).
The verdict is CM's claim is stupid beyond belief. Wind constantly stirs up the atmosphere so it doesn't settle out. If it did settle out we would all be suffocating to death for lack of oxygen.
It's also illogical. Whether the CO2 is high or low in the atmosphere light reflecting from the surface still has to pass through it at which point it will absorb and then emit energy. Regardless of whether that happens at 5 feet above ground or 50,000 feet above ground, the effect would be the same.
But in actuality CO2 and other gases are thoroughly mixed in the atmosphere despite tiny differences in atomic weight because the wind stirs it up.
I noticed that although your question wasn't addressed to me, I answered you questions but you've ignored it. Are you here just to but heads with fuji?
I've told you over and over again,...there are only two components/variables in the water vapour positive feed back loop,...water vapour and temperature,...NOT three,....,...as per NASA.
You don't even understand how a positive feed back loop functions,...the temperature component increases,...which causes more water vapour to be introduced into the atmosphere,...which in turn causes the temperature to increase because of the green house effect of water vapour.
The temperature component is increased naturally by many natural occurrences that drives the temperature component of the water vapour positive feed back loop,...El Niño being just one,...as per NASA.
Again,...there is no CO2 component in the water vapour temperature positive feed back loop.
I give a shit if the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has supposedly been measured,...to measure how much it causes the whole planets temperature to rise,...exactly,....bull shit.
Create a theory,...and then have the same people prove its correct.
Been done many times,...many times later proven wrong.
Do you really expect that the theories' originators will a decade latter admit they were wrong,...???
The hockey shtick graph of lies,...is just one example.
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But the CO2 in the atmosphere is NOT thoroughly mixed in the atmosphere,...as per NASA,...and yes,...I gave you a link for that.
And,... "CO2 will have the same effect on the planets temperature regardless if its 5 feet above ground or 50,000 feet above ground",....
You haven't been reading your nature magazine lately,...have you fuji.
And,...it isn't CM's claim,...read the fricken post before you begin your childish insulting.
Plus,...CO2 is only .04 % of the atmosphere,...so saying that we would we would die because of lack of oxygen,...is stupid beyond belief.
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There's no such thing as climate change!
The folks living along the Texas coastline are beginning to have their doubts. Normally a hurricane like Harvey would move into Texas, eventually dissipating it's strength in Northen Mexico/American South West. That's not happening because because a persistent high pressure system west of Lubbock has not moved in over two months. Because of this high, Calgary has been consistently hotter than Toronto this summer. Harvey has no place to go, it's venting it's fury in one area. Corpus Christi gets smashed while Albuquerque remains bone dry.
Global warming is also making it more difficult for climatologists to track hurricanes. A giant hurricane is gathering strength in the Mid - Atlantic, no one knows if it's heading north-east or north -west. Under normal conditions it would head north-east into open water, Hurricane Sandy changed the landscape.
The folks living along the Texas coastline are beginning to have their doubts. Normally a hurricane like Harvey would move into Texas, eventually dissipating it's strength in Northen Mexico/American South West. That's not happening because because a persistent high pressure system west of Lubbock has not moved in over two months. Because of this high, Calgary has been consistently hotter than Toronto this summer. Harvey has no place to go, it's venting it's fury in one area. Corpus Christi gets smashed while Albuquerque remains bone dry.
Global warming is also making it more difficult for climatologists to track hurricanes. A giant hurricane is gathering strength in the Mid - Atlantic, no one knows if it's heading north-east or north -west. Under normal conditions it would head north-east into open water, Hurricane Sandy changed the landscape.
The double check my statement I looked up the current weather in El Paso Texas. Sunny at 26 C, Humidity 61% (slight effect from Harvey) and 0% of precipitation.
So as far as the climate change deniers on this board goes.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIP9KXdmO0
So as far as the climate change deniers on this board goes.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIP9KXdmO0
Not one thing in your post is true. CO2 does mix, and is the CO2 settled out that .04 would be deep enough to suffocate you.But the CO2 in the atmosphere is NOT thoroughly mixed in the atmosphere,...as per NASA,...and yes,...I gave you a link for that.
And,... "CO2 will have the same effect on the planets temperature regardless if its 5 feet above ground or 50,000 feet above ground",....
You haven't been reading your nature magazine lately,...have you fuji.
And,...it isn't CM's claim,...read the fricken post before you begin your childish insulting.
Plus,...CO2 is only .04 % of the atmosphere,...so saying that we would we would die because of lack of oxygen,...is stupid beyond belief.
