Canadians donate to family of slain U.S. soldier in wake of Omar Khadr settlement

[stig_irc]

It's never OK to torture kids. Harper lost sight of that and we all ended up paying out of our taxes.

When did Afghanistan ever do anything to threaten Canada?

The 10.5 million will hopefully serve as a reminder not to blindly follow the USA into the religious wars started by their fundamentalist government.

 

[SkyRider]

When did Afghanistan ever do anything to threaten Canada?

Same can also be said for Canada's involvement in the Korean Conflict, WW II, WWI, etc.

Was Nazi Germany really a threat to Canada? Was the communist invasion of South Korea really a threat to Canada? Fast forward to 2017 and why do we have troops in Iraq and Latvia?

 

[stig_irc]

Same can also be said for Canada's involvement in the Korean Conflict, WW II, WWI, etc.

Was Nazi Germany really a threat to Canada? Was the communist invasion of South Korea really a threat to Canada? Fast forward to 2017 and why do we have troops in Iraq and Latvia?

Hopefully Canada is no longer at the call of British Imperialism. It would be great if we could say the same for American.

There is a world of difference morally between participating in UN actions and blindly coming to heel when the U.S. master whistles.

 

[dirk076]

It's never OK to torture kids. Harper lost sight of that and we all ended up paying out of our taxes.

When did Afghanistan ever do anything to threaten Canada?

The 10.5 million will hopefully serve as a reminder not to blindly follow the USA into the religious wars started by their fundamentalist government.

Lol... no credibility whatsoever Einstein. Khadr was captured and detained while Chretien and Martin were in power. He was repatriated under Harper.

I have zero sympathy for the little fuck. The Supreme Court never said anything about a cash payout. Repatriation was enough. We could have let him rot in a U.S. prison to serve out his sentence. The only mistake in all of this was the U.S. medic saving him. They should have let him bleed out.

 

[mandrill]

Lol... no credibility whatsoever Einstein. Khadr was captured and detained while Chretien and Martin were in power. He was repatriated under Harper.

I have zero sympathy for the little fuck. The Supreme Court never said anything about a cash payout. Repatriation was enough. We could have let him rot in a U.S. prison to serve out his sentence. The only mistake in all of this was the U.S. medic saving him. They should have let him bleed out.

The SCC may never have mentioned a cash payout, but Khadr's lawyers sure as fuck did. Repeatedly. In a civil suit for $20million that was headed for trial with the permission of every judge involved and which was likely to cost millions to defend, be embarrassing as fuck to contest and which would probably have netted Khadr the same payout (or more) than he actually was given.

 

[dirk076]

The SCC may never have mentioned a cash payout, but Khadr's lawyers sure as fuck did. Repeatedly. In a civil suit for $20million that was headed for trial with the permission of every judge involved and which was likely to cost millions to defend, be embarrassing as fuck to contest and which would probably have netted Khadr the same payout (or more) than he actually was given.

No one knows what a judge would have done. So what if it cost millions to defend. Some bloated government agency will waste that by noon on Monday. On principle alone it should have been defended. Payout after a judgment is one thing. To payout before it even entered a courtroom is another. And an apology to boot. How about he apologizes for going to terrorist training camps while a Canadian citizen? How about he aplogizes for building IED's while a Canadian citizen that doubtless took lives? How about he apologizes for his admittedly Al Queda family? How about he apologizes for taking part in a fight against our allies?

He should have been tried for treason upon his repatriation. Full stop. Then we'd see where his lawsuit went.

 

[dirk076]

On principle it should have been paid, unless you support torturing children.

There are lots of drug dealers that got off scott free because the police beat them up or failed to collect evidence properly. That's the way our system works. And in NO CASE does our system permit torturing prisoners, and when the person being tortured is a child that's absolutely fucking outrageous--no matter what that child did. If you want people like Khadr to be convicted for whatever he actually did (and WHO KNOWS what he actually did) then direct your rage and anger at the US Military Commission that tortured him and put on a fraud trial--destroying ANY chance of a fair trial.

15 in his culture is not considered a child. I would suggest a 15 year old is conscious of his own actions. He also knew that if captured he would be imprisoned and subject to vigorous interogation. He also knew he could die. Stop making it out like he was some 10 or 12 year old.

Fact:

He is from a self admitted terrorist family.
He travelled to terrorist training camps on more than one occasion.
He built IED's to kill western allies.
He joined a conflict to fight against our allies and us.
He was captured in such a conflict.
Many of his family are detained or dead from similar actions.

Apologize for the piece of dung all you want. I don't care what the Americans may have done or not done to him. His own actions brought him to where he was. They should have killed him. I care more for the ant I may step on in my travels tomorrow than I do for Omar Kadhr or his family.

 

[IM469]

What a warped viewpoint. Lots of soldiers go to war and get killed. But only one's family gets your charity, and only to score political points against the "evil" liberal!

But, how many of their killers get $10.5 million?

Wigglee is right and your response simply supports his point. I read an estimated 50-60 Canadians joined ISIS - are you sending money to support all the families of soldiers killed by ISIS ? If you are actually concerned about the welfare of the family of the US soldier killed during this firefight - it would be a moot point commenting on any monetary payment to the then 15 year kid.

While it is good that the family gets funds, the hypocrisy of many of these 'concerned' Canadians is a sad reality. The kid gets no money - I doubt these righteous warriors would lift a hand to help.

 

[SkyRider]

Wigglee is right and your response simply supports his point. I read an estimated 50-60 Canadians joined ISIS - are you sending money to support all the families of soldiers killed by ISIS ?

Actually more like 130 "Canadians" joined ISIS. Some or all renounced their Canadian citizenship. If our stupid SCC said that Canada must protect Canadian terrorists than Canada should also be responsible for the damage caused by these "Canadian" terrorists. Trudeau ---- get out the chequebook.

 

[wigglee]

But, how many of their killers get $10.5 million?

just the ones who were tortured for ten years

 

[mandrill]

Actually more like 130 "Canadians" joined ISIS. Some or all renounced their Canadian citizenship. If our stupid SCC said that Canada must protect Canadian terrorists than Canada should also be responsible for the damage caused by these "Canadian" terrorists. Trudeau ---- get out the chequebook.

Why is the Canadian government responsible? If I get drunk in Cancun and drive my car through the cabana bar of a 5 star resort, does the Canadian government - i.e. YOU and the other taxpayers - have to pay the hotel for my damage??

I always get a chuckle out of your posts.

 

[mandrill]

No one knows what a judge would have done. So what if it cost millions to defend. Some bloated government agency will waste that by noon on Monday. On principle alone it should have been defended. Payout after a judgment is one thing. To payout before it even entered a courtroom is another. And an apology to boot. How about he apologizes for going to terrorist training camps while a Canadian citizen? How about he aplogizes for building IED's while a Canadian citizen that doubtless took lives? How about he apologizes for his admittedly Al Queda family? How about he apologizes for taking part in a fight against our allies?

He should have been tried for treason upon his repatriation. Full stop. Then we'd see where his lawsuit went.

You know, all these issues were covered in the articles Guelph cut and paste about a week ago in one of the Khadr threads. This is kind of like asking for a play by play of the first period when we're already in the third. Maybe you should go find them and read them and then you can answer your own questions. A good idea... right, Mr 71%??

 

[mandrill]

On principle it should have been paid, unless you support torturing children.

There are lots of drug dealers that got off scott free because the police beat them up or failed to collect evidence properly. That's the way our system works. And in NO CASE does our system permit torturing prisoners, and when the person being tortured is a child that's absolutely fucking outrageous--no matter what that child did. If you want people like Khadr to be convicted for whatever he actually did (and WHO KNOWS what he actually did) then direct your rage and anger at the US Military Commission that tortured him and put on a fraud trial--destroying ANY chance of a fair trial.

Well said, Fuji. And especially the point about cases being tossed out against drug dealers because of constitutional breaches. Dirk can probably look them up and read them and then discuss them with us.

 

[behemoth_dick]

you don't need a court to determine those are facts

you would give every well-documented and publicly known criminal 10 million if they were captured / beaten up without a trial

 

[behemoth_dick]

we need courts, but if something is known to be true, we don't need a court to tell us

 

[behemoth_dick]

always using extreme nonsensical examples, no nuance

no one can be locked up without evidence. Trudeau can't lock up conservatives without evidence. if evidence was found that a conservative is a criminal, lock him up. have a trial if you can, but even if you don't have a trial, if the evidence is strong enough, no trial is OK, and you don't pay him for not having one

there is a whole body of knowledge of evidence gathered that Khadr and his family are terrorists, and it should be no big deal that he was punished without a trial, and definitely not worth 10 million

ideally we should have trials, but even if a terrorist didn't get one, that's no reason to pay him

 

[behemoth_dick]

Couple signatures from people of authority. Military, intelligence agency, cops, etc...can even show the evidence to the court after he was already locked up on an improper trial, then if they decide it's good enough and are not terrorist sympathizers, say "eh it's fine"

 

[mandrill]

Couple signatures from people of authority. Military, intelligence agency, cops, etc...can even show the evidence to the court after he was already locked up on an improper trial, then if they decide it's good enough and are not terrorist sympathizers, say "eh it's fine"

Err, what are you trying to say here? Is that supposed to be some sort of legal brief on the law of evidence? :beguiled:

 

[SkyRider]

Canadian law to be based on what, Pashtunwali code? Sharia law?

The issue is when a Canadian commits a crime in a foreign country. Should that Canadian be tried under Canadian law or the law of the foreign country where the crime occurred?

 

[FAST]

we need courts, but if something is known to be true, we don't need a court to tell us

Absolutely correct,...government agencies have documented proof,...there is absolutely no requirement to have some lawyers to get involved.

Other than to let the guilty go free, after spending tens of millions arguing over legalese,...instead of FACTS.