Stealthing

[rhuarc29]

Not only that but you pay sps for their services which can include sex...... Sps consent to safe fun and if you remove a condom , she can charge you with sexual assault ; if you refuse to pay she can charge you for theft , or again sexual assault because you would have taken advantage of her.

Nearly impossible to prove in either case. Just because unprotected sex took place, doesn't mean it wasn't consented to. If there's no evidence of a struggle, an SP is unlikely to prove to the court that it wasn't consensual.

As for theft via not paying, that's also very difficult to prove as SPs do not sell tangible goods that could be found in the client's possession. The onus to prove theft is on the SP, and I don't see how she could do it.

Of course, both these scenarios would rightly get the client blacklisted. It's unfortunate that we don't live in an environment where more legal action could be available to SPs.

 

[lomotil]

Bill C36 brings in more complications because a person could be charged with sexual assault and the purchase of sex in theory.

 

[fuji]

Nearly impossible to prove in either case. Just because unprotected sex took place, doesn't mean it wasn't consented to. If there's no evidence of a struggle, an SP is unlikely to prove to the court that it wasn't consensual.

As for theft via not paying, that's also very difficult to prove as SPs do not sell tangible goods that could be found in the client's possession. The onus to prove theft is on the SP, and I don't see how she could do it.

Of course, both these scenarios would rightly get the client blacklisted. It's unfortunate that we don't live in an environment where more legal action could be available to SPs.

Not so tough to prove either of those things. Not sure where you got those ideas from.

 

[lenny2]

Bill C36 brings in more complications because a person could be charged with sexual assault and the purchase of sex in theory.

Please explain.

 

[TeeJay]

Bill C36 brings in more complications because a person could be charged with sexual assault and the purchase of sex in theory.

C36 has nothing to do with it
Its funny how tight some people's sphincters get over that law

You paid her BEFORE you had sex because you were paying for her time
After that its 2 consenting adults even if 1 suddenly has a change of heart

 

[rhuarc29]

Not so tough to prove either of those things. Not sure where you got those ideas from.

How?

How do you prove a sex act was not consensual when there is no evidence of struggle? Wouldn't that just be a he-said, she-said?
How do you prove a client did not indeed pay for sex? Or that they made an agreement to exchange money for sex in the first place (unless you have text/email records of that)?

 

[lomotil]

C36 has nothing to do with it
Its funny how tight some people's sphincters get over that law

You paid her BEFORE you had sex because you were paying for her time
After that its 2 consenting adults even if 1 suddenly has a change of heart

In this case the sex provider would be out for the customer's head and would likely use every legal resource at their disposal to inflict maximum damage including C36 as they have immunity. How the court would view this is another story if in fact the case was not settled out of court. A john saying that they were paying a prostitute only for their time and then after they just happened to have sex would only infuriate the crown by insulting their intelligence.

 

[sweetiepieexo]

Sps usually keep text messages until after the appointment. We don't delete our messages right away.
if you refuse to pay an sp and still get sexual services all she has to do is go to an emergency room or the cops claim rape and they will give her a pap test to prove that she has in fact had sexual intercourse. It is not hard and their are vice squads ( prostitution and drug forces) that specialize in these kinds of things.
Well you may not think the law is not on the sps side it actually is. For example bill c-36. Clients can be charged for paying for sex while sps are not doing anything wrong.

Nearly impossible to prove in either case. Just because unprotected sex took place, doesn't mean it wasn't consented to. If there's no evidence of a struggle, an SP is unlikely to prove to the court that it wasn't consensual.

As for theft via not paying, that's also very difficult to prove as SPs do not sell tangible goods that could be found in the client's possession. The onus to prove theft is on the SP, and I don't see how she could do it.

Of course, both these scenarios would rightly get the client blacklisted. It's unfortunate that we don't live in an environment where more legal action could be available to SPs.

 

[rhuarc29]

Sps usually keep text messages until after the appointment. We don't delete our messages right away.

Sure, but I still don't see how you could prove theft without texts/emails. I myself book via phone almost exclusively, not that I'd ever dream of taking advantage of that.

if you refuse to pay an sp and still get sexual services all she has to do is go to an emergency room or the cops claim rape and they will give her a pap test to prove that she has in fact had sexual intercourse. It is not hard and their are vice squads ( prostitution and drug forces) that specialize in these kinds of things.

Okay, but how do you prove the sex wasn't consensual? I mean, yeah, with Bill C-36 the cops could bust the guy for prostitution charges if they had proof of intent, but rape? I don't see how.

 

[sweetiepieexo]

if us ladies have the messages from the client and they rob us obviously when we notice we will try to call the client to get our money back . if that doesn't work we contact LE show them the messages and what we made that day and they will see funds are missing and will contact the client.. They will prove it. They take down the numbers that the robber / client who would have contacted from and then they ask a description and well, I'm sure we all know how an investigation goes.

Sure, but I still don't see how you could prove theft without texts/emails. I myself book via phone almost exclusively, not that I'd ever dream of taking advantage of that.



Okay, but how do you prove the sex wasn't consensual? I mean, yeah, with Bill C-36 the cops could bust the guy for prostitution charges if they had proof of intent, but rape? I don't see how.

 

[TeeJay]

Sps usually keep text messages until after the appointment. We don't delete our messages right away.
Well you may not think the law is not on the sps side it actually is. For example bill c-36. Clients can be charged for paying for sex while sps are not doing anything wrong.

Many SPs never erase phones
But either way a false cry of rape is doing something wrong and is not only criminal but leaves SP open to civil prosecution

The thing with txts is usually both people have copies of messages so if someone selectively erases some they are pretty easy to prove

 

[fuji]

How?

How do you prove a sex act was not consensual when there is no evidence of struggle? Wouldn't that just be a he-said, she-said?
How do you prove a client did not indeed pay for sex? Or that they made an agreement to exchange money for sex in the first place (unless you have text/email records of that)?

Lots of SP's have video, and there will be forensic evidence that you took the condom off--your cum inside her will be used as evidence against you. Then she just has to prove to a jury's satisfaction that it's her policy to deny unprotected sex--which she'll likely have loads of evidence for.

As for theft, text messages, her posted ads, etc. -- your story that she randomly agreed to fuck you, a total stranger, just for fun, and not for money -- a jury's going to reject it and find you guilty.

It's "proof beyond a reasonable doubt", not "proof beyond any doubt", and a judge/jury will decide what is or isn't "reasonable". There are lots of people in prison who thought some long-shot ridiculous claim would get them off the hook. For example, you don't hear shop-lifters successfully getting off by saying, "but the store manager told me I could have it, it's he-said/she-said!" Judges/juries laugh at and convict that sort of bullshit all the time.

 

[TeeJay]

As for theft, text messages, her posted ads, etc. -- your story that she randomly agreed to fuck you, a total stranger, just for fun, and not for money -- a jury's going to reject it and find you guilty.
Judges/juries laugh at and convict that sort of bullshit all the time.

Please
This entire board exists for "mileage" hunters
It is very simple to say this is her policy, but guess she really fucking liked me since I rode her bareback

 

[eternalbachelor]

Please
This entire board exists for "mileage" hunters
It is very simple to say this is her policy, but guess she really fucking liked me since I rode her bareback

there's a very good chance a stealther may in the end of the day get away with it but if the charges are laid and the long uncertain process begins...boy would you want to take it back and keep the condom on

 

[fuji]

Please
This entire board exists for "mileage" hunters
It is very simple to say this is her policy, but guess she really fucking liked me since I rode her bareback

A jury will then be asked to consider whether this is reasonable, that a woman who had a consistent policy of refusing unprotected sex would a) change her mind for this particular total stranger, and b) despite liking him so much (for which there is absolutely no evidence) immediately call the police to have him arrested.

Juries aren't morons.

A lot of people seem to forget that juries and judges are reasonable people and can tell the difference between a reasonable doubt and a theoretically possible doubt.

 

[sweetiepieexo]

its not impossible... I have had friends who were robbed and they had no probem proving they were robbed . As for sexual assault is the sps word against the clients, if she said she didn't consent to unsafe services all she has to do is show the text messages as to what was agreed upon and ask for a pap to show signs of sexual intercourse.

Nearly impossible to prove in either case. Just because unprotected sex took place, doesn't mean it wasn't consented to. If there's no evidence of a struggle, an SP is unlikely to prove to the court that it wasn't consensual.

As for theft via not paying, that's also very difficult to prove as SPs do not sell tangible goods that could be found in the client's possession. The onus to prove theft is on the SP, and I don't see how she could do it.

Of course, both these scenarios would rightly get the client blacklisted. It's unfortunate that we don't live in an environment where more legal action could be available to SPs.

 

[fuji]

It's worth noting that the SP doesn't need to prove sexual assault anyway. All she has to do is testify that she was paid for sex and the client goes down on a prostitution charge, one for which the SP has immunity.

Legally the SP's have the trump card.

Best you pay what you owe and don't stealth.

 

[lomotil]

It's worth noting that the SP doesn't need to prove sexual assault anyway. All she has to do is testify that she was paid for sex and the client goes down on a prostitution charge, one for which the SP has immunity.

Legally the SP's have the trump card.

Best you pay what you owe and don't stealth.

Civilian women have enough barriers and repercusions to deter them from going through with many sexual assaults. For a prostitute to make a charge of "stealthing" would be even less unlikely than for civilians.

 

[sweetiepieexo]

I doubt that if a sp was raped and had to prove it she would delete her messages.

What most people ( civilians as you say ) forget is that sps are CIVILIANS to . We have feelings , opinions, morals, etc. Nobody knows our situation or why we are doing what we do. Most sps are students working to pay off their tuition, others have kids, and some are just trying to get rich quick as we know. The best part about bill c-36 is that sps are protected. Ive had friends that were robbed or assaulted and have had the clients charged. However it doesn't make it to the media because well society just cant handle that their are sex workers in the city.


As Fuji said some sps actually record the session too whether it be voice or video. Also if she was raped I highly doubt she would continue seeing clients after it happened. Which would mean that your semen or pre cum would be inside her which is evidence enough that you raped and took advantage of her when in the messages was that she only consented to safe services and u took off the condom without her knowledge or consent which would result in a rape or sexual assault charge.

Teejay - I highly doubt an sp would like a client so much they would risk their health. I highly doubt a jury would believe that bs story too. Never ever ever have I ever heard of an sp saying" yeah I really like you come fuck me bb"

At the end of the day it is the girls word against the guys, it has always been that way. Whether it be domestic arguments, robberies , fights, etc. The girl will have enough evidence to support her case.

Many SPs never erase phones
But either way a false cry of rape is doing something wrong and is not only criminal but leaves SP open to civil prosecution

The thing with txts is usually both people have copies of messages so if someone selectively erases some they are pretty easy to prove

 

[OddSox]

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