Even if that info is accurate, it doesn't tell us why they are being infected at such a high rate. Do Malaysian Muslims tend to have more high risk sex with prostitutes, more homosexual sex or use intravenous drugs more than the other Malaysian religious groups such as Christians, Buddhists, etc? Do they have lower immunity against HIV? My guess, on all counts, is yes. Muslims seem to make up over 60% of the population there.
Norwegian ruling party votes to ban circumcision for men under 16 years old
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Does it make you happy or a bit unnerved to know that you support a practice so common among backward Muslim countries? Should make you think twice about it.
Dated 2009 this info was obtained by surveys.
Surveys were done in 18 countries, a small minority of those on earth.
"The views expressed are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the views of USAID or the United States Government."
The survey info is regarding 18 countries, mostly in Africa. Does the report say which of the two respective groups, circumcised & uncut, had higher risk sex? Reports re Africa have expressed concerns that circumcised men will feel free to have unprotected sex because of the belief that circumcision helps protect them. But if they have riskier sex that will tend to wipe out the advantage of being circumcised.
Do the surveys tell us how often each of the two respective groups, circumcised & uncut, had homosexual sex, had high risk sex with prostitutes, used intravenous drugs, had blood transfusions, etc? Did one group or the other have sex more often?
Aardie and Oagre demonstrate here why people generally dislike lawyers, namelyt that they are willing to argue anything that supports the establishment.
By no moral or ethical standard is the mutilation of children OK. It is indefensible, the only argument for it may be that it is no big deal.
Imagine for a moment that circumcision was only practiced by muslims. Imagine the howling of indignation coming from our lawyers here.
By no moral or ethical standard is the mutilation of children OK. It is indefensible, the only argument for it may be that it is no big deal.
Imagine for a moment that circumcision was only practiced by muslims. Imagine the howling of indignation coming from our lawyers here.
Aardie is actually quite rational most times but the other one thinks all Muslims can walk on water and do no wrong.
It shows that they may be great lawyers - interpreting and citing law to support the establishment, procedural law, and so on - but lack wisdom and/or creativity and/or principles. Nobody's perfect.
Not to get too hung up on the definitions issue, but both WebMD and the BC Ministry of health define infant circumcision as a surgical procedure.
WebMD: "Circumcision is the surgical removal of the foreskin, the tissue covering the head(glans) of the penis. It is an ancient practice that has its origin in religious rites. Today, many parents have their sons circumcised for religious or other reasons."
http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision
BC Ministry of health: "Male circumcision is a surgery to remove the foreskin, a fold of skin that covers and protects the rounded tip of the penis. The foreskin provides sensation and lubrication for the penis. After the foreskin is removed, it can't be put back on again. If circumcision is done, it's usually done soon after birth."
https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/health-topics/hw142449
Considering that the procedure only became popular in America in the 20th century, it's an excusable vestige of misguided anti-sex social policy in American society, rather than a nutty dogmatic ritual performed to follow some ancient texts written by "god".
No. What I am saying is that both Jews and Muslims circumcise and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects religious practices, which includes circumcision. So circumcision is unlikely to be ever banned in Canada and the Norwegian ban will be short-lived if the Norwegians have a similar constitution.
Again, your issue is with the Law and the Courts. What I feel is irrelevant. I am simply providing information as to what would likely happen with this ban. Take it or leave it.
I'm sorry - but not surprised - if you cannot comprehend my argument and interpret what I said inaccurately in an attempt to reduce it to a level that you can understand.
Cute. vaccines wiped out smallpox GLOBALLY.
You make the mistake of assuming that because one study was flawed, the conclusion is wrong. When you better understand the scientific method, please come back and debate this further. Until then, have fun being wrong.
You know what else is common in Muslim countries? Brushing teeth; also wiping your ass after a shit. I assume that you avoid those activities as well.
There are enlightened Muslims who oppose non-consensual circumcision.
http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.ph...-you-know-prophet-muhammad-wasnt-circumcised/
http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.ph...-you-know-prophet-muhammad-wasnt-circumcised/
I can't imagine it does. The judges would say that female circumcision is not a reasonable religious practice. On a number of different levels, it's a far more objectionable practice than male circumcision.
We are talking about reasonable practices and reasonable limits. While there may be growing objections to circumcision in the Jewish community, I would guess that it is still supported by the majority of observant Jews. It's an unusual judge or court who would ban a religious practice which has majority support in a large, established religion.
Perhaps in 30 or 40 years, if the ban circumcision movement grows, the Law might accommodate the change. But for now, I believe a Charter challenge to circumcision by some children's right group would be bound to fail.
One reason we are seeing fewer circumcisions among younger Canadians is that most provincial health plans won't pay for it anymore, unless there is proven medical need. This means that parents who were on the fence on the subject are increasingly not doing it because they don't want to pay out of pocket and they don't want to bother finding a private doctor and setting up a separate appointment to get it done.
