If you're a guy and you agree to it, you get what you deserve pure and simple. Its a paradigm designed to screw the guy over in a bad way. If you're stupid you fall for it. If you're smart you don't. You give up your hard earned money when you receive what you want in life. If you throw it away for nothing that's on you.
Sugar Baby wants a monthly allowance but NSA ?
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NSA has a few meanings, one of which is "I can end this anytime".
As a friend of mine discovered with a SB her idea of NSA was she could end it anytime but he couldn't. :flypig:
As a friend of mine discovered with a SB her idea of NSA was she could end it anytime but he couldn't. :flypig:
There has to be some market for straight male sugar babies, but I imagine that the female "mommas" would be difficult to look at.
There's delusion on both sides. Guys don't want to think they're paying for a relationship and women don't want to think of themselves as escorts. In reality, both tend to be true when it comes to SB/SD relationships. You see this elsewhere as well. Some guys go to strip clubs, but claim escorts are for chumps. Likewise, strippers insist VEHEMENTLY that they're better than escorts because they don't sell sex. I look at both groups and see them as delusional, justifying their falsehoods so they can sleep better.
When it comes to sugar babies, there are cases where it really is just for arm candy, but pricing is usually consistent across all service levels. So why pay for the cardboard cut-out of a lambo when you can get a drive-able lambo for the same price?
There's something about a woman reaching for her wallet that dries up the vagina
- Chris Rock
I have been on that site 3 times. Nothing concrete has come of it. Partially because I don't do downtown.
There are women there who want to be paid just for being arm candy. Good luck.
There are women who want 500-700 per visit. Good luck.
There are women who want 300-400 per visit. They usually back out.
There are women there who want to be paid just for being arm candy. Good luck.
There are women who want 500-700 per visit. Good luck.
There are women who want 300-400 per visit. They usually back out.
Well I'm going to try it this weekend and see how it works out. I have 3 meetings planned downtown and so far no preliminary conversations about money. When it does get that far I will try P for Play and stay away from monthly - at least initially. Also am avoiding any girls that have moderate to high payment expectations. I like the idea of negotiable or practical. There is a girl on SA currently with astronomical expectations - Total flake - she wants her man to, get this , buy her a house. I kid you not. I had to laugh . She will tell you this upfront so the good news is you don't waste more than a few minutes. Claims some guy paid her $2000 for dinner only, which may be true. In any event I told her good luck.
I must admit I have put in some time and effort getting this far but I am getting lots of inquiries ( better than any dating site I've ever been on ) so will hang in for a while.
I must admit I have put in some time and effort getting this far but I am getting lots of inquiries ( better than any dating site I've ever been on ) so will hang in for a while.
Whenever I get bored of the SP routine, I try the SD/SB option. Been on a couple of websites and talked to many ladies. Probably slept with less than 10 of them and never paid more than $350 per meeting.
It's an interesting experience if you have the time and patience. The sex was almost always better with SPs though.
It's an interesting experience if you have the time and patience. The sex was almost always better with SPs though.
Most of the time I follow this standard approach: first, I ask her expectations, financially and not only. Very few would reply with an actual number, usually they would ask back for an offer. Then I'd say that I prefer to start with a per meeting allowance, until some trust is established between the two of us and that in my previous Sd/Sb relationship the agreement was for $250/meeting (maybe 300 if she's very good looking).
Many ladies will reply asking for 300 (or 350). Some ask for more, but I never go higher than that.
Next step is to meet for drinks, and if everything goes well the second date ends in a hotel room or apartment.
Never, never pay her for dinner or having drinks. But do pay the bill, of course.
Many ladies will reply asking for 300 (or 350). Some ask for more, but I never go higher than that.
Next step is to meet for drinks, and if everything goes well the second date ends in a hotel room or apartment.
Never, never pay her for dinner or having drinks. But do pay the bill, of course.
I prefer not to discuss anything monetary until we date and establish chemistry. This I believe to be the most enjoyable part of the experience. My maximum amount is $300/intimate encounter, I have tried monthly allowance in the past only to have my SB dodge dates and skip out with the cash, so as a rule I don't like to get burned twice.
I also stay away from really smoking hot girls, I don't need their drama.
The problem is that there are guys who offer unrealistic amounts, girls use that as their intrinsic sexual value, and they balk at more affordable and sustainable stipends.
They hear stuff and read stuff and get greedy.
I also stay away from really smoking hot girls, I don't need their drama.
The problem is that there are guys who offer unrealistic amounts, girls use that as their intrinsic sexual value, and they balk at more affordable and sustainable stipends.
They hear stuff and read stuff and get greedy.
In my brief experience, $300 per encounter is a reasonable # for Toronto.
Problem is, the YMMV factor; I mean within the escort community, you can have a good idea of the kind of date you will get for $300 = one hour of very good GFE sex with a beautiful, clean, reputed independent lady.
With SA it can be anything; best ever experience I had was a full night with a cute 20 year old student, worst was a scam artist that grab the money and left... most others were in between: a few hours with girls with below average sex skills (compared to escorts). cool for a few times, then it was just too boring sex... so time to change the SB
At the end of the day I left because it was too much money; I mean I tried it to reduce my reliance on escorts; ended up paying for a SB and kept the escorts...
a lot cheaper to just go with escorts... as I can stop seeing them for months and then come back to them as soon as I want... without sad faces
Problem is, the YMMV factor; I mean within the escort community, you can have a good idea of the kind of date you will get for $300 = one hour of very good GFE sex with a beautiful, clean, reputed independent lady.
With SA it can be anything; best ever experience I had was a full night with a cute 20 year old student, worst was a scam artist that grab the money and left... most others were in between: a few hours with girls with below average sex skills (compared to escorts). cool for a few times, then it was just too boring sex... so time to change the SB
At the end of the day I left because it was too much money; I mean I tried it to reduce my reliance on escorts; ended up paying for a SB and kept the escorts...
a lot cheaper to just go with escorts... as I can stop seeing them for months and then come back to them as soon as I want... without sad faces
I have used the Seeking Arrangement site, both here and in the US. I have paid an average of $350 per meeting with some notable exceptions like the now long retired MPA Ivanna who was $500 - she used her SRM pictures. Aside from this I have avoided the obvious pro's, not because I have anything against them or what they do but just because I wanted a slightly different point of view. I also wanted to be relaxed without any stop watches. I my case I found the attractive single mother 35 to 45 trying to get by genre something that attracted me. Nearly all them worked at steady jobs. E.g. two were full time nurses. My average was a six month, once a week "relationship" naturally ended by me returning to Canada or leaving for the US.
Most of the time I cooked. Sometimes we went out for dinner. The evening was always 4 hours or so and always included sex. I am not into anal and I have no fetishes. I found the sex every bit as good, if not better than the pros, if only because of the relaxed pace.
Most of the time I cooked. Sometimes we went out for dinner. The evening was always 4 hours or so and always included sex. I am not into anal and I have no fetishes. I found the sex every bit as good, if not better than the pros, if only because of the relaxed pace.
That is an ideal sounding arrangement. The students I've dated are all into fast cash to pay for stuff they can't afford, they are always busy with "school".
The professional SB are about milking you to the brink of insolvency. My best and longest arrangements are with girls that are established in a job or career that are looking for NSA drama free relationships and find established men ideal for that arrangement.
The professional SB are about milking you to the brink of insolvency. My best and longest arrangements are with girls that are established in a job or career that are looking for NSA drama free relationships and find established men ideal for that arrangement.
its down right assinine and one should get into therapy ASAP if you find yourself doing that.
So I'm on SA myself... lots of flakes to weed through before finding the 22-30 yr old who's educated, working and looking for a nice meal, good convo and sweaty all-night sex every couple of weeks for $150-250...
I find it awkward when:
- SB's discuss money within a few minutes;
- SB's ask for > $400 and tell me about their last arrangements and how many thousands they gave + shopping + travel
- SB's say they are only looking for a platonic relationship and/or no sex on the first date but expect $
Now that said there's tonnes of guys out there who just offer up $ for sex and usually are pretty graphic with their demands...
I find it awkward when:
- SB's discuss money within a few minutes;
- SB's ask for > $400 and tell me about their last arrangements and how many thousands they gave + shopping + travel
- SB's say they are only looking for a platonic relationship and/or no sex on the first date but expect $
Now that said there's tonnes of guys out there who just offer up $ for sex and usually are pretty graphic with their demands...
Pretty much had the same approach, but not a lot of success. Again I avoid downtown so that is an issue.
I found a SB last week. Had lunch and hotel time.
Paid for lunch, room, and gave her 300. Hour lunch, 3 hours play time.
We both seemed happy and are planning to do it again next week.
