They're going after the Rub n Tugs again...

Two comments :)
My understanding is no one is paying for sex at a adult body rub or an escort agency. C36 requires payments as I understand it just like the prostitution laws in the U.S.

In Phoenix we have busts and stings all the time and if two people work together, have driver, helper, phone person it is a major criminal enterprise felony with typical laying on of money launder charges and have heard judges giving "Donald Advicements" of up to 40 years in prison if don't take a plea (i.e. Phoenix Goddess Temple indictment of 39 adults).

HOWEVER, LE very careful to get an explicit "fee arrangement". In the Temple case I have police report of a gal in bed naked with an undercover who kept asking for $201 will I at least get a happy ending. She never agreed and therefore, no prostitution charge. Unfortunately she was still indicted by association with a criminal enterprise (Temple), as were others for mere "association" even no evidence of individual prostitution.

The point is if C-36 is interrrepted to require an agreement of sex for money that would not apply to any MPA I have ever been in or escort agency. I wonder about strip clubs which are more explicit on "extra's" Under old law they were not bawdy houses as long as no "penetration" per old Supreme Court case out of Montreal.

Old Dave almost forgot 2nd point :) Oh Yes,
Bylaws can be challanged such as years ago when Brampton passed a bylaw that said attendant could not be nude. That was overturned in the courts since was a criminal matter not a proper bylaw. Nudity is legal.

However more powerful related to strip clubs is the ABC which is why there is very little contact in B.C. strip clubs. Ontario ABC is not as restrictive. Toronto has a low constact bylaw which is why more conservative Toronto clubs, although could be challaged perhaps. Of course dear Ms Hazel in Sauga was very liberal which is why my favorite nude-reverse on menu in Sauga and very liberal strip clubs.
 

TeeJay

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My understanding is no one is paying for sex at a adult body rub or an escort agency. C36 requires payments as I understand it just like the prostitution laws in the U.S.
And just like the US, have you seen all the bs "just paying for time" or "can't give you money but leaving it here on table by accident" defences hold up?
People are jokes with things they say

Bylaws can be challanged such as years ago when Brampton passed a bylaw that said attendant could not be nude. That was overturned in the courts since was a criminal matter not a proper bylaw. Nudity is legal.
Bylaws are near meaningless (most of us could run for city council even lol)
But criminal law such as C36 is a whole different animal
 

franci

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Thanks for the links. Sorry I might not have been clear in my original statement. I'm referring to the Holistic attendants not being required to have a license. This specifically lists Body Rub attendants. Every business needs a business license to carry on business.

In Toronto, all attendants need to have a license to work. Bylaw officers often do license checks of the girls. In Markham and Richmond Hill, the girls do not have to be licensed (unless they work in a Body Rub establishment) . That is why many girls, especially those that are not legally able to work in Canada, seek jobs in this region.




Fair enough.

To address your concerns, I will direct you to the 2 links below. The first link is to a pdf file of Markham's licensing bylaw. If you go to page 5, you will see that MPs and MPAs must be licensed in Markham. Unfortunately, I haven't found an online copy of Richmond Hill's licensing bylaw, but I found a generic page (second link) on their town's website saying that MPs need to be licensed:

http://www.markham.ca/wps/wcm/conne...&CACHEID=f9a26397-8cd7-4ed5-8973-56f1bd07a403
https://www.richmondhill.ca/en/register-apply-or-pay/Register-Apply-or-Pay-Business-Licence.aspx

No matter what municipality we are talking about in the GTA, it's almost a guarantee that massage parlours will require a licence. It's just a matter of searching online for the licensing bylaws of each municipality. But that would be a rather tedious task.
 

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Lots of licensed spas (even amongst the 25 bodyrub licenses) are quite close to children areas
I often wonder what some guys are thinking going in during daytime hours
They may be thinking if they give a walkie talkie to a kid and give him the call sign "Runny Rose" he can keep an eye out incase "the sky has turned blue...I repeat the SKY IS BLUE"
 

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This thread has become dormant and I am not sure where is the correct place to add a comment on the general topic. I was in a holistic spa in Richmond HIll recently in a state of in flagrante delicto, when a big fat dude burst into the room and flashed a badge of some sort. He seemed to smile and instructed us to "get dressed". He then proceeded to talk loudly with spa manager, but we went to the back and I didn't hear the details. The young lady and I left out the back door and occupied ourselves in a store nearby. We went back later when he had left, to hear that the spa manager had received a ticket for a fine of $480. Apparently for doing massage without an RMT license. Apparently he goes to all the spas giving out these tickets, a well known cost of doing business. Just interested to hear if anyone has more experience in this area, whether there is any risk for the parties in the room? Thanks
 

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They have been scamming spas and so called holistic places for years, it's like protection money to the mob . They don't want to put them out of business but yet do want to get their cut and by- law makes quota. No risk to the customer especially with the laws to up in the air right now.
 

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Ever consider that it's not just some bluenose in LE (this time), but a sincere effort to try to cut down Covid risks?...
 
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Ever consider that it's not just some bluenose in LE, but a sincere effort to try to cut down Covid risks?...
I was expecting maybe a charge for not wearing masks.... But he seemed to be more focused on talking to the spa manager/owner. Maybe might have come back to look for us after, but we were gone..
 

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I was expecting maybe a charge for not wearing masks.... But he seemed to be more focused on talking to the spa manager/owner. Maybe might have come back to look for us after, but we were gone..
Maybe pervy bylaw officer just likes to get some kicks from seeing people naked.
 

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Ever consider that it's not just some bluenose in LE (this time), but a sincere effort to try to cut down Covid risks?...
That may have been true during the hight of the pandemic but now it's all about the money.
 

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This week a girl at a spa told me that they've been fined for not wearing masks in the room. I'm not sure how true that was. She wanted to keep the mask on and I told her, in no uncertain terms, that in that case I'm walking. The mask.came off...
 
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