The floors below the penthouse has just as nice a view and usually much more economical 
100's of university students find sugar daddies online, negotiate average $2,700/mon
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Do you say it’s per meet right from your initial message, or do you wait until meeting them? A lot of the girls seem to be less enthusiastic if you propose pay per meet rather than hint at the possibility of a longer arrangement.- don't discuss amounts before meeting
- always say it's per meet
- 22-28 age seems to be the best group - the young ones are flakes and older ones generally have limited time/other priorities
To add to this list:- don't discuss amounts before meeting
- always say it's per meet
- 22-28 age seems to be the best group - the young ones are flakes and older ones generally have limited time/other priorities
Don't even waste time talking to fools who claim they can't (won't) give any personal info lol
If they insist on meeting somewhere like a mall and do not even have a cell number (message me on fb or whatever) you are totally wasting your time
If she is serious she will have no issue with you picking up/dropping her off
I began to read and then I saw a word "platonic".you guys talking about $400/week or even $250-$300 per date are making me laugh.
you wanna know how it really works? it's like this: http://brownsugababe.tumblr.com. this is what all those sugarbabies are really striving for. maybe some of the more desperate ones who don't know what it's all about will put up with cheap thrills for the time being, but sooner or later they'll catch on.
the only reason i ever see guys talking about seeing SBs over SPs is to trick them into valuing themselves for less than they're actually worth. which says a lot about who these guys are.
I’ve never really thought of the site as a place to seek out the “hottest girls”. It’s more for finding girl-next-door type students who need a little extra cash. It’s rare to even get messages from girls who expect Louboutins… the closest I’ve ever gotten to that was a message from one girl who claimed to be in school at MIT and wanted $600/hr to meet. Most of the people on there are actually students, or recent graduates, and are reasonably intelligent, can carry on a good conversation, and aren’t bad to genuinely spend time with, independent of whatever goes on in the bedroom."The first day we met and he gave me 5K, bought me two louboutins, Valentinos, + a trip to NY for the first time. (I was a newborn to flying prior) It’s only went up from there. Between my allowance, gifts and trips. I still can’t believe I met a man so generous. #winning"
these are the men you're competing with for the hottest girls on there. you're paying $400/week or less for some chinese cashier who has to work 6 days a week because the best she can do is your cheap ass? lol ok, makes sense.
I just met two university/college students the last two nights and both were amazing in bed and great personalities. 19 and 22 years old. 5 hours last night and 4 tonight.
Won't be doing any SP reviews for a while.
How old/fit are you shack? Ie what are the chances of my success as an older fat fuck with these types of arrangements?
Biig difference. It is pay for play but it is with a civvie not a pro (apologies to the SPs), meaning no multiple partners several days a week, no assembly line half hours/hours, no clock, no drivers, no agencies, no girls jaded by the industry.Desparation for the SD? It's pay-for-play, just like with an SP. I don't see any difference.
I only pay a bit more than the SP hourly rate (in some cases less) for extended dates or even some overnighters without an hourly rate.
Biig difference. It is pay for play but it is with a civvie not a pro (apologies to the SPs), meaning no multiple partners several days a week, no assembly line half hours/hours, no clock, no drivers, no agencies, no girls jaded by the industry.
I only pay a bit more than the SP hourly rate (in some cases less) for extended dates or even some overnighters without an hourly rate.
Many of these girls are greedy shack and have multiple SD's
https://www.letstalksugar.com/confessions/i-have-more-than-one-sugar-daddy-2/
http://blog.seekingarrangement.com/2015/05/06/benefits-balancing-sugar-daddies/
While the main article can be taken with a grain of salt, as sensationalism gets readership up, I had a conversation with a potential sb who stated quite openly that she already has more than one SD on the go. So without your knowing this, you could potentially be with girl who is juggling more than one SD and therefore has multiple partners on the go, while you are blissfully unaware.
I am older and though I've lost about 50 pounds I am still kinda chubby and sedentary. It is mainly about making them feel comfortable. Wine, candles, incense, music, food, charm. You'd be surprised how many of these girls prefer older guys than the hot but immature ones.How old/fit are you shack? Ie what are the chances of my success as an older fat fuck with these types of arrangements?
Don't get me wrong, I've dealt with many flakes, some scammers but when you find someone real that you click with.....
So? As long as we are having a good time together. (I don't do monthlies.) I'm looking for companionship, not a partner.Many of these girls are greedy shack and have multiple SD's
https://www.letstalksugar.com/confessions/i-have-more-than-one-sugar-daddy-2/
http://blog.seekingarrangement.com/2015/05/06/benefits-balancing-sugar-daddies/
While the main article can be taken with a grain of salt, as sensationalism gets readership up, I had a conversation with a potential sb who stated quite openly that she already has more than one SD on the go. So without your knowing this, you could potentially be with girl who is juggling more than one SD and therefore has multiple partners on the go, while you are blissfully unaware.
I think you had some good luck lately and it may have skewed your perspective a bit.Biig difference. It is pay for play but it is with a civvie not a pro (apologies to the SPs), meaning no multiple partners several days a week, no assembly line half hours/hours, no clock, no drivers, no agencies, no girls jaded by the industry.
I only pay a bit more than the SP hourly rate (in some cases less) for extended dates or even some overnighters without an hourly rate.
My two cents, going thru your bullet points:
- a civvie not a pro - not necessarily true, as a bunch of SPs are there. And, whoever sells sex for money is not quite a civvy.
- no multiple partners several days a week - may or may not be true. I bet you can see your girls online looking for other daddies, or they block you so that you can't see their log-ins
-no assembly line half hours/hours, no clock - that is true
- no drivers - I'd rather there were drivers than dealing with the flakiness and requests to pay for uber
- no agencies - but you have to deal with girls who think their pussy is diamond and is worth thousands because "they are not escorts"
- no girls jaded by the industry - you get all sorts of fucked up girls anyway.
- overnighters sure are way cheaper than SP...but do you really want to see them in the morning?
Trust me - there's no illusion given that I'm exclusive with them either...
Many of these girls are greedy shack and have multiple SD's
https://www.letstalksugar.com/confessions/i-have-more-than-one-sugar-daddy-2/
http://blog.seekingarrangement.com/2015/05/06/benefits-balancing-sugar-daddies/
While the main article can be taken with a grain of salt, as sensationalism gets readership up, I had a conversation with a potential sb who stated quite openly that she already has more than one SD on the go. So without your knowing this, you could potentially be with girl who is juggling more than one SD and therefore has multiple partners on the go, while you are blissfully unaware.
Once you begin chatting on line it is not hard to tell who the pros are. And I already explained that even though it is pay for play they are not subject to same rigors and expectations and burnout that SPs are. Don't think I've ever heard about burnout from "sugaring". Not sure if you understand the difference.I think you had some good luck lately and it may have skewed your perspective a bit.
My two cents, going thru your bullet points:
- a civvie not a pro - not necessarily true, as a bunch of SPs are there. And, whoever sells sex for money is not quite a civvy.?
They are still not going to be seeing 3 or 4 sugar daddies in a day several times a week, which you agree is true in your next point, so you are refuting your own point. And as I'd said, I am looking for companionship, not a partner. And as we all know, even some committed partners have been known to see others on the side as well. But that is called cheating.- no multiple partners several days a week - may or may not be true. I bet you can see your girls online looking for other daddies, or they block you so that you can't see their log-ins?
-no assembly line half hours/hours, no clock - that is true?
Not really a big deal. The point is that there are no 3rd or 4th parties to deal with. She does not have to be ready at a certain time for a driver who is waiting outside my door. I do not need a 3rd party knowing where I live. Actually, most of them take transit and some also drive. Sometimes I drive them back, which I don't mind if I like them.- no drivers - I'd rather there were drivers than dealing with the flakiness and requests to pay for uber?
I don't pay for diamonds. If they are asking too much I am not forced to see them. Simply move on. There are tons of girls there and I've even had some looking for "substantial" or "high" allowances in their profile (high is over $10,000/month) and I've seen them for $300 on a pay per date basis. So what they are asking and what they will accept are sometimes widely disparate figures.- no agencies - but you have to deal with girls who think their pussy is diamond and is worth thousands because "they are not escorts"?
Girls are girls are girls. You are going to get weirdos no matter what your method is, how you meet them or what kind of relationship you have with them. Even if you are looking for a GF, you may eventually find out that she is whacko, but a girlfriend can be much more difficult to break up with. The only way to avoid the possibility of meeting strange women is to not see any women. Is that your suggestion?no girls jaded by the industry - you get all sorts of fucked up girls anyway. ?
I don't know until I try her out. You can say the same about SPs or your GF, or your wife. Either you like overnighters or you don't. It's an individual preference.- overnighters sure are way cheaper than SP...but do you really want to see them in the morning?
I'm not saying this is a perfect approach and that there are not pitfalls.
I am pointing out that there are lots of benefits and you do not have to pay $2,700 or more to have some great dates and enjoy these benefits. You can pay very close to what you'd spend on industry girls/the hobby but under a different set of parameters. You also need to know how to play the game with SPs just the same as you have to with SBs and even regular dating. No differences there.
If seeing SBs does not appeal to some, that is perfectly fine. But if it works for others, I don't think that they should be made to feel they are naïve and have not thought things through.
Different strokes for different folks.
Interesting but this all seems like a lot of work and a lot of time lost going through girls online, kind of like online dating. If I wanted to date, I could easily date civvies without paying, not sure why you'd pay around the same amount to see an SP just to date, unless you are filthy rich
It is a huge waste of time (can’t deny that), but you’re looking at a much younger cohort than you could get by actually dating, and they do offer some degree of discretion if you need it. One of the worries though is that any arbitrary girl has the potential to be a lot less discrete than most responsible SPs.Interesting but this all seems like a lot of work and a lot of time lost going through girls online, kind of like online dating. If I wanted to date, I could easily date civvies without paying, not sure why you'd pay around the same amount to see an SP just to date, unless you are filthy rich
I also echo the Uber thing someone mentioned. Usually they do want you to pay for their Ubers to your place and back.
It’s just a different type of interaction. And you do get more of the social than a typical 1hr with an SP. The first time I went on one of these, I thought I was just going for dinner, slipped her an envelope with $200 just for the dinner time commitment, then she insisted on coming back to my place after for two and a half hours more at no extra cost.
I see, do you still SD? Would be interesting to try out, do you normally use SA website?It is a huge waste of time (can’t deny that), but you’re looking at a much younger cohort than you could get by actually dating, and they do offer some degree of discretion if you need it. One of the worries though is that any arbitrary girl has the potential to be a lot less discrete than most responsible SPs.
I also echo the Uber thing someone mentioned. Usually they do want you to pay for their Ubers to your place and back.
It’s just a different type of interaction. And you do get more of the social than a typical 1hr with an SP. The first time I went on one of these, I thought I was just going for dinner, slipped her an envelope with $200 just for the dinner time commitment, then she insisted on coming back to my place after for two and a half hours more at no extra cost.
Well a lot of SPs offer social for around 3 hours / their hourly incall rate, so if you were looking for social dates you could also go with your favorite SP and save a lot of time and hassle going through flakes and what not. I don't know but I just feel like if you have a busy schedule this isn't worth investing time in as it seems like you need some luck in landing a good SB
I've been hobbying in $250-350/hr tier and I don't recall ever seeing burnouts. I have done a lot of TOFFTs and had my share of bad lays with brand new SPs, much like with civvies or SBs. So in my humble experience, SPs or SBs often enter the industry in a fucked up state of mind rather than leave in bad shape.Once you begin chatting on line it is not hard to tell who the pros are. And I already explained that even though it is pay for play they are not subject to same rigors and expectations and burnout that SPs are. Don't think I've ever heard about burnout from "sugaring". Not sure if you understand the difference.
As a general response to your post, I certainly appreciate the benefits of SB vs SP, and I am trying to keep a few SBs in the picture at all times. I was just pointing out that sometimes it feels nice to get an SP from a reliable agency delivered by a driver and not have to deal with a quasi-relationship aspects of SB-SD. Meanwhile if I was asked about how indies are better than SBs, I would have difficulty answering that. It seems they are not. Which explains a number of posts above.
Depending on what I feel like, I will still see some SPs, for sure.I've been hobbying in $250-350/hr tier and I don't recall ever seeing burnouts. I have done a lot of TOFFTs and had my share of bad lays with brand new SPs, much like with civvies or SBs. So in my humble experience, SPs or SBs often enter the industry in a fucked up state of mind rather than leave in bad shape.
As a general response to your post, I certainly appreciate the benefits of SB vs SP, and I am trying to keep a few SBs in the picture at all times. I was just pointing out that sometimes it feels nice to get an SP from a reliable agency delivered by a driver and not have to deal with a quasi-relationship aspects of SB-SD. Meanwhile if I was asked about how indies are better than SBs, I would have difficulty answering that. It seems they are not. Which explains a number of posts above.
As far as never seeing an SP who was losing enthusiasm for her job/on the verge of burnout, I think it is your turn to be called lucky. LOL
shack, do you use SeekingArrangement to find them?I just met two university/college students the last two nights and both were amazing in bed and great personalities. 19 and 22 years old. 5 hours last night and 4 tonight.
Won't be doing any SP reviews for a while.
