Wikileaks: The polls are rigged

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These emails could be fake, but according to Wikileaks DemoRATS are colluding with the media to pump out rigged polls.
They do this by oversampling Democrat groups. Its easily done, just oversample major urban cities like Atlanta, Miami or Philly and you'll get a majority vote for Crooked Hillary. They are completely undermining democracy now with their dirty tricks.

Again, I have no way of knowing these emails are real, but they come direct from Wikileaks:

Source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551

Email 1: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvduNWZUMAAsWA0.jpg
Email 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvduMmpUEAAANPW.jpg
 

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These emails could be fake, but according to Wikileaks DemoRATS are colluding with the media to pump out rigged polls.
They do this by oversampling Democrat groups. Its easily done, just oversample major urban cities like Atlanta, Miami or Philly and you'll get a majority vote for Crooked Hillary. They are completely undermining democracy now with their dirty tricks.

Again, I have no way of knowing these emails are real, but they come direct from Wikileaks:

Source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551

Email 1: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvduNWZUMAAsWA0.jpg
Email 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvduMmpUEAAANPW.jpg
Yes they are, Podesta emails #16. Over counting Hispanics. Nice try Demoncrats. There are some good ones getting realeased on Kerry and Kaine and Brazille. It's sickening what that whole party has done. Twitter is going nuts. Wonder how long Clinton Narrative News is gonna wait to air this doozy
 

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I can't get over the comments on Twitter. Some are hilarious, others are quite educational like a video in 2008 with Obama acknowledging polling fraud by both sides. He joked, there was no worry about in Ohio as Democrats in charge of the machines.

Trump says it, a conspiracy is born and Obama says don't whine. When a potential voters asked the same 8 yrs ago, its taken seriously by Obama, and not refuted.
Just remember that after the election. When cheaters are rewarded everyone cheats. And Us history shows: When Democrats try to eliminate rigging, Republicans block them, and when Republicans try, they're stymied by Democrats. With fifty — count 'em — fifty different election laws administered by local party officials, instead of an impartial national electoral office, rigging is part and parcel of their system, from electoral boundaries, to registration to primary counting, to election machine contracts. After all, rigging elected Bush, it elected Kennedy, and has shown up in every history of every presidential election I've ever read.

The real question, the one Trump keeps ducking, is how he would propose to to eliminate it. But his, "I won't object if I win", says it all.
 

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These emails could be fake, but according to Wikileaks DemoRATS are colluding with the media to pump out rigged polls.
They do this by oversampling Democrat groups. Its easily done, just oversample major urban cities like Atlanta, Miami or Philly and you'll get a majority vote for Crooked Hillary. They are completely undermining democracy now with their dirty tricks.

Again, I have no way of knowing these emails are real, but they come direct from Wikileaks:

Source: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551

Email 1: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvduNWZUMAAsWA0.jpg
Email 2: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvduMmpUEAAANPW.jpg
They were talking about designing their own opinion polls that they conduct.

Duh

How fucking gullible are you anyway?
 

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They were talking about designing their own opinion polls that they conduct.

Duh

How fucking gullible are you anyway?
Proof polling is rigged

ABC News Presidential Poll Oversampled Democrats by 9%
https://shar.es/1EU1vp
 

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Proof polling is rigged

ABC News Presidential Poll Oversampled Democrats by 9%
https://shar.es/1EU1vp
And the LA Times poll oversampled Republicans by a similar amount. Your crank blog is bitching about polling errors and calling it a conspiracy which is stupid. An individual poll having a bias doesn't mean it'd rigged for Christ's sake.

The correct analysis is to look at all the polls and average them. Even though a poll may skew one way or another you can look at which direction it is moving.

For example, the Republican skewed Rasmussen and LA Times polls still tell you which way the wind is blowing when Trump loses several points in them.

In any case this is why sites like FiveThirtyEight and RealClearPolitics are useful: they identify the skew in individual polls and construct a weighted average that combines all the polling data into a state by state estimate.

RCP is run by Republicans and 538 by Democrats but they are both well respected for their objectivity and statistical prowess. Both currently have similar predictions for the election.
 

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What a misleading title; taking the obvious fact that opinion polls are flawed and changing the wording to imply that the election voting (ie. polling stations) is rigged.

Seems wikileaks is just as desperate as those posting anti-clinton conspiracy theories.



p.s. I find it stunning that groups like wikileaks (and danmand) who claim to support far left values are now Trump supporters.
 

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Proof polling is rigged

ABC News Presidential Poll Oversampled Democrats by 9%
https://shar.es/1EU1vp
Very funny.
9% more democrats were sampled, it says.

Given Trump's lack of popularity right now, that doesn't sound surprising.
There probably just are 9% more democrats because of Trump.

Hey, and before you take Trump's word about the election being rigged, here is his own statement on how truthful he is:
“I try and be truthful,” Trump said. “I’m no different from a politician running for office. You always want to put the best foot forward.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/

He is no different from a politician running for office.
He lies just as much as anyone.
 

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They were talking about designing their own opinion polls that they conduct.

Duh

How fucking gullible are you anyway?
I told you a long time ago you're full of shit fuji, and this once again proves it. Political parties dont design their own opinion polls, they pay professional polling companies to do their polling for them (eg. Gallup, IBD, YouGov...etc).

By the way IBD has Trump up +2 right now.
They do NOT oversample: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

But CBS poll has Hillary up +12, please tell me how a 14 point swing is possible??

Very funny.
9% more democrats were sampled, it says
They were not sampled, they were OVERsampled
 

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I told you a long time ago you're full of shit fuji, and this once again proves it. Political parties dont design their own opinion polls, they pay professional polling companies to do their polling for them (eg. Gallup, IBD, YouGov...etc).

By the way IBD has Trump up +2 right now.
They do NOT oversample: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

But CBS poll has Hillary up +12, please tell me how a 14 point swing is possible??


They were not sampled, they were OVERsampled
Yes political parties design their own polls. They hire firms to conduct those polls but they sure are very much involved in designing the poll to look into the specific things they want to find out that the public polls aren't giving them.

They have their own polling that they don't make public.
 

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http://thebernreport.com/pro-clinton-superpac-pays-for-a-poll-to-show-her-winning-the-debate/

Pro-Clinton SuperPAC Pays For a Poll to Show Her Winning The Debate

In what can only be viewed as a desperate move to try to sway public opinion online after the second debate, which show Bernie Sanders ahead 50-60 percentage points in every poll between here and Neptune, Team Clinton hired a pollster to drop something immediately after the event ended.

Of course that poll has her ahead 67% to 20% for Sanders.

Now to be clear, many politicians hire pollsters to conduct polls to sometimes see where there strengths and their weaknesses are, even Bernie has hired a pollster. So that much isn’t exactly news. But what is odd about this one is the disclosure that Correct The Record a Hillary Clinton SuperPAC paid for the poll and they are trying to pass it off as an accurate accounting of what happened on the debate stage on November 14, 2015 at Drake University
 

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Yes political parties design their own polls. They hire firms to conduct those polls but they sure are very much involved in designing the poll to look into the specific things they want to find out that the public polls aren't giving them
Good, so you admit they hire external polling companies.

Now, 2 questions:

1. Why would they oversample polls??
2. How can a poll be fair if an oversampled poll shows a clear lead for Hillary, while a poll thats not oversampled (like IBD, LATimes...etc) shows Trump either tied or with a slight lead??
 

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So we have thoroughly debunked you post 1 but I'm curious about your comment on the Investors Business Daily poll which you have somehow decided is more accurate than many other polls.

What specific technical features of the IBD poll make you think that they don't oversampled as compared to more experienced polling organizations?

Here's my guess: You know fuck all about this poll and fuck all about any other poll you just decided you like it better because it shows Trunk winning.
 

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Good, so you admit they hire external polling companies.
Proving you post 1 nonsense. I'm happy to answer your remaining questions, but in terms of post 1 itself you really just conceded that there is nothing unusual in a campaign chair discussing poll design.

Now, 2 questions:

1. Why would they oversample polls??
2. How can a poll be fair if an oversampled poll shows a clear lead for Hillary, while a poll thats not oversampled (like IBD, LATimes...etc) shows Trump either tied or with a slight lead??
They don't oversample on purpose so your first question is silly. They all try and design a poll that is going to be accurate and fair. They don't all succeed.

Take the LA Times as an example. The LA Times did not intend to create a poll that skewed Republican. They just got unlucky in their sample.

Tracking polls like the LA Times pick their participants once a year and keep calling those same individuals all year long. The idea is to more accurately measure changes in opinion. If those same people shift towards Clinton you know it's an actual shift and not just random sample error.

However the people in the LA Times survey group have included more Republicans than the national average. It looks like they just got unlucky with their sample set. They have a well designed poll but they got a shitty sample.

They are particularly skewed with black voters. Their methodology adjusted the weight of each answer to try and match the national demographic. There are fewer young blacks in their sample than the national average so they multiply the vote of the blacks they do have. They also got fewer younger voters than they should do they overweight the young people in their sample as well to correct that.

Unfortunately the LA Times survey group includes only one young black male from Illinois, and he is sure that he is a Republican. His answers are given many times the weight of other people's because he is the only Illinois black respondent and also of one of only a few young blacks in the LA Times survey. And they keep calling him. And he keeps saying he loves Trump.

His answer alone skews their poll result towards the Republicans by about a percent. He isn't really representative because most blacks are Democrats and he's a Republican. But in the LA Times poll he's representing young blacks and Illinois blacks.

The LA Times didn't do that on purpose. They just got unlucky. And now they are either stuck with him for the rest of the year, or they interfere unscientifically in their methodology and remove him. They have chosen to stick with their methodology.

Does that make their poll useless? No. They still do s great job in capturing shifts in opinion. While their poll returns an absolute number that is too far to the Republican side they are better than other polls at showing you which direction sentiment is moving.

So that's a detailed explanation of why the LA Times poll is skewed. It's not rigged. The bias wasn't intentional, but designing a poll is hard and sometimes despite best intentions you get a skewed result.
 

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If the media weren't so biased, you wouldn't have such an onslaught of skepticism from the general public. The media created the problem they're now being swept up in.

Sidenote: It's incredible how much support there is for Trump in little Liberal Canada.
 

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Hard to believe Trump supporters are so easily fooled by all the this. I guess some of it is wishful thinking but most is just not thinking. The only poll that really matters is the election. Only a fool would this is rigged considering the that Republicans control both houses.
 

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I told you a long time ago you're full of shit fuji, and this once again proves it. Political parties dont design their own opinion polls, they pay professional polling companies to do their polling for them (eg. Gallup, IBD, YouGov...etc).

By the way IBD has Trump up +2 right now.
They do NOT oversample: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

But CBS poll has Hillary up +12, please tell me how a 14 point swing is possible??


They were not sampled, they were OVERsampled
Just like you hire a designer to pick the drapes and carpets you'll like, because you don't know what's out there, political parties hire pollsters to tell them who's out there and how well, or how badly they're doing with the groups whose votes they want. Their polls, their polling company, their poll design.To call it "…colluding with the media", and "… undermining democracy now with their dirty tricks" is your personal fabrication dreamed up out of nothing found anywhere in the stuff you cited.

Posting this crap as if you had only just discovered something everyone else has known since the first days of statistics and polls does indeed raise questions, but about the poster, not the pollsters.

If you actually have a view on honest polling standards, do tell us what it is, and how all parties — and Parties — should, and/or could be held to that standard. The finger pointing keeps 'sploding on you.
 

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So we have thoroughly debunked you post 1 but I'm curious about your comment on the Investors Business Daily poll which you have somehow decided is more accurate than many other polls.

What specific technical features of the IBD poll make you think that they don't oversampled as compared to more experienced polling organizations?

Here's my guess: You know fuck all about this poll and fuck all about any other poll you just decided you like it better because it shows Trunk winning
You sound kinda angry today, fuji. Did you get stood up by your boyfriend last night.

To answer your question, I follow this guy: https://twitter.com/mitchellvii?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
He claims most of the current polls are oversampled.
I started wondering if he's correct, because I noticed CNN did a post-debate poll on their site which they admitted they oversampled. It said so right in their small print.

So therefore, after reading these wikileaks emails, I'm wondering if these polling companies are doing the same thing
 

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If the media weren't so biased, you wouldn't have such an onslaught of skepticism from the general public. The media created the problem they're now being swept up in.
If Trump didn't keep making outrageous comments daily, they could report on other things that would not generate an onslaught of criticism. But HE JUST CANNOT STOP HIMSELF.

Trump has created his own problems and the only sweeping is by Trump trying to get them under the rug by claiming conspiracy.
 
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