Is female ejaculation real? Wrong question.

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The question isn't if female ejaculation is real. It's why you don't trust women to tell you
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The debate about ‘squirting’ is actually about whether or not women can be trusted to accurately report their own sexual experiences
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We should celebrate female pleasure, not question and regulate it. Photograph: Vladimir Rys Photography/Getty Images

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Unlike its male counterpart, female orgasm is a covert, hidden experience, frequently recognizable only to the person experiencing it. (And sometimes, not even to that person: in rare cases, women can orgasm without even realizing it themselves.) There is no physical, visible proof of female orgasm, and by extension, no physical proof of female pleasure – unless, like me, you’re one of the women who can experience female ejaculation.

And yet, instead of serving as incontrovertible evidence of the existence of female sexual response and female orgasm, discussions of female ejaculation serve mainly to provide fodder for the debate about whether or not women can be trusted to accurately report their own sexual experiences.

Almost every conversation about female ejaculation devolves into a discussion of whether or not it is “real”. Though a whole genre of pornography is dedicated to celebrating the phenomenon, filmmakers are routinely accused of faking it with some kind of studio magic. When a recent scientific study investigating the phenomenon identified two forms of female ejaculation and argued that the more common “squirting” form was comprised primarily of fluid from the bladder, many crowed with delight to have “proof” that what ladies had “mistaken” for a sign of sexual pleasure was merely a form of arousal-induced incontinence. (Notably, the second, rarer form of female ejaculation – deemed more “legitimate” by the study – bore a slight resemblance to male ejaculate.)

The skepticism about women’s ability to understand their own sexual responses shows up in pop culture too; in the first season of Amazon’s Transparent, a character who mentions squirting with a partner is immediately asked whether she wasn’t merely urinating.

But why is there still an assumption that women can’t understand or describe what we experience during sex? It’s perfectly clear to any woman who has ejacluated that doing so is a unique experience unto itself – including me. At thirty-two, I’ve long forgotten many significant sexual firsts, but I do remember the first time I ejaculated: I was 19-years-old, in my apartment on the Upper West Side; as I played with a small vibrator, I felt something inside of me break open. For the previous year or so I’d been on Paxil, which had subdued and restrained my sexual response, even rendering me anorgasmic. But the liquid pooling on the floor below me was solid evidence that my ability to orgasm had finally been restored.
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Female ejaculators know firsthand that even, if the fluid they emit during orgasm comes from the bladder, it looks, smells and feels different from urine. And it’s hard to ignore that the experience of spontaneously expelling fluid in the height of orgasm is fundamentally different from the more intentional act of voiding one’s bladder.

But regardless of the biological basis of female ejaculation, the physical experience is, at its heart, a pure expression of female sexual pleasure. Insisting that female ejaculation is really just confused urination doesn’t just denigrate women’s ability to understand our own bodies – it also positions female sexual pleasure as filthy, dirty, and ultimately less than the celebrated male orgasm.

To some, the question of whether female ejaculation is “real” may seem frivolous at best – an academic debate with little impact beyond how one handles clean-up in the bedroom. But the answer to this question has effects beyond our personal sex lives, and the stakes involved are real. Both Australian and UK obscenity codes ban female ejaculation from pornography on the basis that it might be urine and thus obscene. Since pornography is a visual medium and female ejaculation is the only visual evidence of female orgasm, this ban is tantamount to a wholesale censorship of female sexual pleasure in explicit media.

And in a world where women’s narratives about their sexual experiences are routinely called into question, the debate over female ejaculation serves as a reminder that, when it comes to sex, we still don’t believe women. Even when they’re literally wetting the bedsheets with proof.
 

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Nobody's doubting that squirting is real. It happens. The question is "what is in it"? And anecdotal evidence of "it doesn't feel like peeing" aside, it's a valid question. Or should we halt the progress of science and stop learning more about our bodies in order to appease some nervous squirters who fear the idea that it might, after all, contain some pee? Anyone who isn't curious as to where the flaming fuck hundreds of millilitres of fluid that they suddenly gush out during sex actually comes from is lying to themselves and simply afraid of what the answer might be.

You wanna turn this into some faux men vs. women argument? (you do realise that coaching the whole thing in these terms is like saying "Canada Man" in a mirror three times) OK. Fine. There are women do this wonderful thing called squirting during sex sometimes. Why has male-dominated science ignored it so long? Where are the serious and in depth studies analysing its nature and composition?
 

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Nobody's doubting that squirting is real. It happens. The question is "what is in it"? And anecdotal evidence of "it doesn't feel like peeing" aside, it's a valid question. Or should we halt the progress of science and stop learning more about our bodies in order to appease some nervous squirters who fear the idea that it might, after all, contain some pee? Anyone who isn't curious as to where the flaming fuck hundreds of millilitres of fluid that they suddenly gush out during sex actually comes from is lying to themselves and simply afraid of what the answer might be.

You wanna turn this into some faux men vs. women argument? (you do realise that coaching the whole thing in these terms is like saying "Canada Man" in a mirror three times) OK. Fine. There are women do this wonderful thing called squirting during sex sometimes. Why has male-dominated science ignored it so long? Where are the serious and in depth studies analysing its nature and composition?
I had a very close GF. We use to fuk without a condom. That's how close we were. After she had cum multiple times I pulled out and out it came I was drenched.
I looked at her and asked WTF. She looked at me and said, I was turned on.
 

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Unlike its male counterpart, female orgasm is a covert, hidden experience, frequently recognizable only to the person experiencing it.
Sure there is, it's just not as obvious.

Also, stupid article is stupid.
 

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Its pee. If it doesnt matter to you than it doesnt matter at all. If getting pissed on matters to you than...ya.
 

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I`ve been with over 50 women who squirted.
Its as varied as the way women are different in their sexual preferences.
Their cum could be a tiny trickle to a fountain that can wet the complete bed.
It could be clear white as water and taste like warm water to lightly opaque wite and taste a bit .
It can have no scent or a mildly vile odour.
Some women can control it and others can`t and feel upset when it happens.
In my opinion about 20% of women can squirt with the right stimulation.
Squirting is real and its not pee. Those who think its pee believe the moon is made of cheese.
 

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all women have the ability to be a squirter....just takes the right guy to bring out the quality in her
 

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It takes the right anatomy, the right hormones and being well hydrated. too.....so most women will never squirt.
And don`t give the "right guy" too much credit....although a factor.... the right fingers and vibrator count too.
Most fountain ladies can do it by master-bating.
 

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Female ejaculate is real and is not urine but should be distinguished from porn piss or women with weak bladder control.
 

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Female ejaculate is real and is not urine but should be distinguished from porn piss.
Female ejaculation comes from the bladder. Call it whatever you want.

Introduction

During sexual stimulation, some women report the discharge of a noticeable amount of fluid from the urethra, a phenomenon also called “squirting.” To date, both the nature and the origin of squirting remain controversial. In this investigation, we not only analyzed the biochemical nature of the emitted fluid, but also explored the presence of any pelvic liquid collection that could result from sexual arousal and explain a massive fluid emission.

Methods

Seven women, without gynecologic abnormalities and who reported recurrent and massive fluid emission during sexual stimulation, underwent provoked sexual arousal. Pelvic ultrasound scans were performed after voluntary urination (US1), and during sexual stimulation just before (US2) and after (US3) squirting. Urea, creatinine, uric acid, and prostatic-specific antigen (PSA) concentrations were assessed in urinary samples before sexual stimulation (BSU) and after squirting (ASU), and squirting sample itself (S).

Results

In all participants, US1 confirmed thorough bladder emptiness. After a variable time of sexual excitation, US2 (just before squirting) showed noticeable bladder filling, and US3 (just after squirting) demonstrated that the bladder had been emptied again. Biochemical analysis of BSU, S, and ASU showed comparable urea, creatinine, and uric acid concentrations in all participants. Yet, whereas PSA was not detected in BSU in six out of seven participants, this antigen was present in S and ASU in five out of seven participants.

Conclusions

The present data based on ultrasonographic bladder monitoring and biochemical analyses indicate that squirting is essentially the involuntary emission of urine during sexual activity, although a marginal contribution of prostatic secretions to the emitted fluid often exists. Salama S, Boitrelle F, Gauquelin A, Malagrida L, Thiounn N, and Desvaux P. Nature and origin of “squirting” in female sexuality. J Sex Med 2015;12:661–666.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12799/abstract
 

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Thanks for this. It confirms an experience I had. I was with my ATF and she told me about something new she learned and wanted to show me. After some DATY and FS in mish she squirted like a fountain. I decided to dive in there mid squirt - for science mind you - and receive a facial from my ATF. It smelled faintly like urine. I've never tasted it before so have no frame of reference for that.
 

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I've been with 'squirters' who did it pornstyle gushing. It's obviously pee from a full bladder.
 

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I've been with 'squirters' who did it pornstyle gushing. It's obviously pee from a full bladder.
Squirting is real pee. Those who think it's not pee believe the moon is made of cheese. :D
 
This is a topic that resonates with me!

I've been with a couple where the woman knew exactly when she was ready to gush and removed herself from on top of her boyfriend to cum all over my face. It was warm (obviously), clear, tasteless and I didn't sense any urine smell. I also did a duo with Jayde and didn't notice anything untoward about her ejaculate. If it is urine it's a very diluted version of it.

I've only experienced this phenomenon once myself and it was with someone outside the industry in circumstances where I threw caution to the wind emotional wise.

Having said that, I believe myself to have achieved actual orgasm with another only once in my lifetime. It was with a boyfriend I had in my mid twenties, whereby I dripped a lot but didn't actually gush. However, I was so relaxed afterward that I was literally putty in his hands. When I gushed with someone I had recently met on a trip out West (throwing caution to the wind) it didn't feel anything like when I had came yrs before. In fact, when I gushed I felt something give a little inside and only realized I had ejaculated when I tried to switch positions and put my hands down on the bed, discovering my wetness all over the sheets and him. I had none of that immensely satisfied and therefore relaxed sensation going on like I did before with my boyfriend. This led me to believe that a woman can ejaculate without actually having an orgasm and of course vice versa.

It is because of these personal experiences that I find cloudsurf's comments:

"It takes the right anatomy (apparently the G-Spot is the back of a woman's clitorus and the bigger the spot the easier it is to stimulate), the right hormones and being well hydrated. too.....so most women will never squirt.
And don`t give the "right guy" too much credit....although a factor.... the right fingers and vibrator count too."


accurate.

I've been criticized by a member here, who touts himself as respectful, for not being able to achieve orgasm. He told me that there must be something wrong with me because I don't cum. This is the equivalent of me putting a man down for ED or PE problems, which is something I'd never do. In fact, I'd do everything in my power to help him overcome that. Even though I know it was his ego talking it still hurt me deeply! My anorgasmia is most like due to some of cloudsurf's reasoning and the fact that I was sexually abused growing up and never experienced a truly loving, caring relationship where there was trust and understanding. A lot of problems ensued in that long ago dynamic that probably interfered with any subsequent orgasms on my part. Usually a woman has to be relaxed to enjoy sex, whereas a man often uses sex to relax.

I find it very interesting that a bodily function that is so widely misunderstood is so sought after by so many. Maybe it's because it's viewed as an achievement on their part. Remember, it always takes two to tango and as long as both parties are enjoying themselves it shouldn't matter. Only men (not all) put the emphasis on achieving orgasm vs not.
 
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