More upheaval in Trumpland

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The forces massed against trump are just too powerful to overcome. All the liberal lefties, the media, Hollywood, Wall Street, parents of thousands of dead American Muslim soldiers, etc., etc. Now they are blaming Trump whenever a Muslim is murdered or when someone says "Muslim go home". Surprised they didn't blame Trump for the Orlando massacre or for the wildfires in California or the flooding in Louisiana.
so it wasn't Trumps own words...thanks for clarifying..
 

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Oh please!

If the orange-haired dingbat had put together just a week of competent, intelligent campaigning, he would be neck and neck or better. He blew this one all by himself.
He still could. Election is as long way off. Polls can change. But the question is whether Trump can change.
 

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He still could. Election is as long way off. Polls can change. But the question is whether Trump can change.
The Empire (i.e. The Establishment) Strikes Back. Trump has said he won't compromise his principles. He said he would rather lose than compromise. Even if he loses he will still have an impact on U.S. policy.
 

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The Empire (i.e. The Establishment) Strikes Back. Trump has said he won't compromise his principles. He said he would rather lose than compromise. Even if he loses he will still have an impact on U.S. policy.
1. There is no "establishment".
2. Trump has no principles. He is a opportunistic scam artist who says whatever he thinks will get him a deal.
3. He will lose either way.
4. He has absolutely no impact on anything, except making an idiot of himself on CNN.
 

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Yeah Trump will have less impact than Sarah Palin.

GOP insiders: Trump can't win
'Trump is underperforming so comprehensively...it would take video evidence of a smiling Hillary drowning a litter of puppies while terrorists surrounded her with chants of ‘Death to America,’' said an Iowa Republican.
Next speech Trump is going to claim to have seen that video.

Trump reminisces about the good old days of slavery

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump tried to improve his abysmal image with black voters during a Wisconsin trip on Tuesday. But he fell flat even before he got started, with some tone-deaf comments to the La Crosse Tribune.

Buried deep in that interview was a very Trumpian idea of what periods in American history were great and what made them so awesome:

Trump, whose campaign slogan is “Make America Great Again!” said he views the 1980s as the time when things were good for the nation, though he also hearkened back to the late 1700s and early 1800s.

“The industrial revolution was certainly ― in terms of economically ― that was when we started to grow,” Trump said. “I liked the Ronald Reagan years. I thought the country had a wonderful, strong image.”
There’s a lot to unpack in those racially insensitive comments.

The Industrial Revolution may have been a great time for white Protestant cisgender men. For everybody else, the memories are not so good. Lest Trump has forgotten, black people were enslaved in the U.S. until the 1860s. Afterward, strict Jim Crow laws barred them from freely sharing public spaces with white people, essentially legalized lynchings and effectively disenfranchised black voters. It wasn’t until the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act that many black Americans were truly able to cast ballots.

As for the 1980s under President Reagan, that’s when the crack cocaine epidemic swept through many black communities, and the war on drugs drove incarceration rates for black people through the roof.

Though Trump made clear that he was focusing on the economic benefits of the Industrial Revolution, he failed to note how much that revolution was built on the backs of enslaved Africans in cotton fields.
 

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so it wasn't Trumps own words...thanks for clarifying..
The Trumpkins are sounding more and more like Rob Ford supporters these days.
They blame the 'maggots' of the media instead of noting that Trump has said some incredibly stupid things.
Its weird this idea of total and unconditional support of your chosen leader.

What kind of follower refuses to criticize, however stupid or crazy, every claim of the their chosen leader?
Instead of accepting that some of Trump's statements are questionable they claim:
The forces massed against trump are just too powerful to overcome.
Weird.
 

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1. There is no "establishment".
2. Trump has no principles. He is a opportunistic scam artist who says whatever he thinks will get him a deal.
3. He will lose either way.
4. He has absolutely no impact on anything, except making an idiot of himself on CNN.
More insight into your point of view. You should really watch more news sources than CNN. I've been following mainstream media, CNN, TYT, Jimmy Dore (because he's even left of TYT), Fox News (including O'Reilly, Hannity, and Meghan Kelly, and Greta Von Susteren), MSNBC, CBC, RT, Alex Jones, as well some smaller independent journalists. When you do, you quickly see the editorial slant of CNN, how they mislead (primarily by omission or editing), and what their election tactics are. Interestingly, some of the best material to expose these issues comes from the left (TYT, etc.).

If you're not inclined to go that much effort, I'll save you the time and trouble. CNN is completely in the bag for Clinton. They are complicit in the DNC election scandal. They are expressly part of the e-mail chains organizing the fix for Hillary. Their reporting is THE MOST SKEWED OF ALL NEWS OUTLETS in favour of Clinton and opposed to Trump (even more so than TYT or RT, neither of whom support Trump). Also, their ratings are terrible, and they may be in real financial trouble.

Notwithstanding all of this, I still find it useful to watch their broadcasts. One, because they happen to be part of my cable package (neither FOX nor MSNBC is). Two, because they provide 24/7 coverage. Three, it's interesting to me to hear the spin that the Hillary campaign wants to put on everything.

But you won't get an appreciation of what they leave out, skew, or outright lie about unless you follow other sources.
 

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The Trumpkins are sounding more and more like Rob Ford supporters these days.
They blame the 'maggots' of the media instead of noting that Trump has said some incredibly stupid things.
Its weird this idea of total and unconditional support of your chosen leader.

What kind of follower refuses to criticize, however stupid or crazy, every claim of the their chosen leader?
Instead of accepting that some of Trump's statements are questionable they claim:


Weird.
The Clinton supporters on this Board are sounding more and more like the media, looking to parse words rather than distill and compare the actual positions of the two candidates.

You'd have to be incredibly dishonest to spend much time on this board and still claim that those who have tried to paint Trump more accurately have not acknowledged that he has said or done some stupid things, or more often has tried to express sound points in a stupid way.
 

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More insight into your point of view. You should really watch more news sources than CNN. I've been following mainstream media, CNN, TYT, Jimmy Dore (because he's even left of TYT), Fox News (including O'Reilly, Hannity, and Meghan Kelly, and Greta Von Susteren), MSNBC, CBC, RT, Alex Jones, as well some smaller independent journalists. When you do, you quickly see the editorial slant of CNN, how they mislead (primarily by omission or editing), and what their election tactics are. Interestingly, some of the best material to expose these issues comes from the left (TYT, etc.).

If you're not inclined to go that much effort, I'll save you the time and trouble. CNN is completely in the bag for Clinton. They are complicit in the DNC election scandal. They are expressly part of the e-mail chains organizing the fix for Hillary. Their reporting is THE MOST SKEWED OF ALL NEWS OUTLETS in favour of Clinton and opposed to Trump (even more so than TYT or RT, neither of whom support Trump). Also, their ratings are terrible, and they may be in real financial trouble.

Notwithstanding all of this, I still find it useful to watch their broadcasts. One, because they happen to be part of my cable package (neither FOX nor MSNBC is). Two, because they provide 24/7 coverage. Three, it's interesting to me to hear the spin that the Hillary campaign wants to put on everything.

But you won't get an appreciation of what they leave out, skew, or outright lie about unless you follow other sources.
Damn that biased media! If Trump just had a fair shot, he's such a bright, amazing, Afro-American and Chicano loving dude, he'd sweep right into power.
 

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The Clinton supporters on this Board are sounding more and more like the media, looking to parse words rather than distill and compare the actual positions of the two candidates.

You'd have to be incredibly dishonest to spend much time on this board and still claim that those who have tried to paint Trump more accurately have not acknowledged that he has said or done some stupid things, or more often has tried to express sound points in a stupid way.
I'm quite critical of Clinton, she's Bush-lite as far as I'm concerned. A bit shady and way too much in the pockets of those with big pocketbooks.
I don't think there is any Clinton supporter on this board who thinks she's golden.

But where is the criticism of Trump from the Trump supporters?
I haven't seen any to speak of.
 

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Damn that biased media! If Trump just had a fair shot, he's such a bright, amazing, Afro-American and Chicano loving dude, he'd sweep right into power.
See, here's an example of how you've bought the CNN spin.

1. He's made a number of express outreaches to the Black community, most notably in his latest law and order speech. Why bother to do that if he doesn't care about what's happening in their lives? He specifically said that the Democrats don't really care about the problems facing black people, they just care about their votes. Do you think that Trump is so Orwellian to be doing the exact thing he charges the Democrats with doing? If so, I think you've concluded that Trump is "evil", and I guess if that is the filter you evaluate this election through, you'll be dismissing a lot of evidence to the contrary.

2. Trump has said nothing negative about Mexicans who entered the US legally (yes, there really are some!) or Mexicans living in Mexico (apart from the drug cartels). He's even flattered Mexican trade negotiators for their business savvy. Everything negative he said about Mexicans was about Mexicans who entered the US illegally. Are you trying to say that Mexicans who immigrated legally identify themselves with those who entered illegally? I wouldn't think so. Saying Trump doesn't like all Mexicans is like telling a chef who won't use spoiled produce in his cooking that he doesn't really want people to eat. It's logically and factually false.

This ground has been covered again and again, but News outlets like CNN still push their skew, because that's what they've been paid to do.
 

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I'm quite critical of Clinton, she's Bush-lite as far as I'm concerned. A bit shady and way too much in the pockets of those with big pocketbooks.
I don't think there is any Clinton supporter on this board who thinks she's golden.

But where is the criticism of Trump from the Trump supporters?
I haven't seen any to speak of.
Weren't you referring to me with your comment? If not, I guess I need not have replied. If you were referring to me, I've agreed on a number of occasions that Trump has said stupid things (criticizing McCain, as one example) or made a reasonable point that didn't need to made (Khizr Kahn), or made a reasonable point but expressed it stupidly (alliances with Russia on specific issues could be in America's interests). These are not exhaustive of what I've said along these lines.

I've noticed other people who have tried to balance the hyperbole here against Trump who have made similar acknowledgements.

Does this mean you weren't addressing your remarks to me, or are the things I've agreed to insufficient acceptance of anti-Trump narrative to count?

If you weren't talking about me, who were you talking about?
 

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See, here's an example of how you've bought the CNN spin.

1. He's made a number of express outreaches to the Black community, most notably in his latest law and order speech. Why bother to do that if he doesn't care about what's happening in their lives? He specifically said that the Democrats don't really care about the problems facing black people, they just care about their votes. Do you think that Trump is so Orwellian to be doing the exact thing he charges the Democrats with doing? If so, I think you've concluded that Trump is "evil", and I guess if that is the filter you evaluate this election through, you'll be dismissing a lot of evidence to the contrary.

2. Trump has said nothing negative about Mexicans who entered the US legally (yes, there really are some!) or Mexicans living in Mexico (apart from the drug cartels). He's even flattered Mexican trade negotiators for their business savvy. Everything negative he said about Mexicans was about Mexicans who entered the US illegally. Are you trying to say that Mexicans who immigrated legally identify themselves with those who entered illegally? I wouldn't think so. Saying Trump doesn't like all Mexicans is like telling a chef who won't use spoiled produce in his cooking that he doesn't really want people to eat. It's logically and factually false.

This ground has been covered again and again, but News outlets like CNN still push their skew, because that's what they've been paid to do.
So the judge he said was unfit to hear his case because he was Mexican was an illegal immigrant?

You're right it's all a media conspiracy, Trump is actually wildly popular with Hispanics and blacks.... just ask Breitbart!
 

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Weren't you referring to me with your comment? If not, I guess I need not have replied. If you were referring to me, I've agreed on a number of occasions that Trump has said stupid things (criticizing McCain, as one example) or made a reasonable point that didn't need to made (Khizr Kahn), or made a reasonable point but expressed it stupidly (alliances with Russia on specific issues could be in America's interests). These are not exhaustive of what I've said along these lines.

I've noticed other people who have tried to balance the hyperbole here against Trump who have made similar acknowledgements.

Does this mean you weren't addressing your remarks to me, or are the things I've agreed to insufficient acceptance of anti-Trump narrative to count?

If you weren't talking about me, who were you talking about?
If I've missed critical comments from you, I apologize.
Maybe its more the smallpenis and his friends who refuse to criticize Trump.
 

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I'm quite critical of Clinton, she's Bush-lite as far as I'm concerned. A bit shady and way too much in the pockets of those with big pocketbooks.
I don't think there is any Clinton supporter on this board who thinks she's golden.

But where is the criticism of Trump from the Trump supporters?
I haven't seen any to speak of.
Their heads are stuck too far up his ass for you to hear their voices. How can any intelligent person listen to Trump and seriously consider him presidential material ? I laugh at the whining about media 'spin' which consists of actual video clips of Trump saying incredibly stupid things. The only thing I figure is that his supporter's only outlook on the world is reality TV and their concept of Trump is his delusion that he successful businessman that the world that the entire world loves.

The reality is that Trump was handed success. Trump the military genius avoided the draft and has proposed actions that are unconstitutional, recognised war crimes, weakens NATO and strengthens a military opponents strength. So enamoured Putin (Russia) is with Trump that they have openly supported him and covertly entered into a global hacking effort to try and put their candidate (Trump) into power.

So what does Trump think of as a successful business venture ? How about bragging the money he made on a bankrupt venture that cost investors, contractors and people with their life savings - millions of dollars ? Why is it a success ? Because Trump made money. That is your choice for the white house.

I also don't like Hillary but at least she isn't going to lead the world into WW-III. At least she isn't going to try and put hate into the law books in some convoluted effort to bring back old time race hatred. Trump is - Trump's a major fuck up which may explain some of his support.

A very intuitive insight from a foreign comic link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CceQISThDYQ
 

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Their heads are stuck too far up his ass for you to hear their voices. How can any intelligent person listen to Trump and seriously consider him presidential material ? I laugh at the whining about media 'spin' which consists of actual video clips of Trump saying incredibly stupid things. The only thing I figure is that his supporter's only outlook on the world is reality TV and their concept of Trump is his delusion that he successful businessman that the world that the entire world loves.

The reality is that Trump was handed success. Trump the military genius avoided the draft and has proposed actions that are unconstitutional, recognised war crimes, weakens NATO and strengthens a military opponents strength. So enamoured Putin (Russia) is with Trump that they have openly supported him and covertly entered into a global hacking effort to try and put their candidate (Trump) into power.

So what does Trump think of as a successful business venture ? How about bragging the money he made on a bankrupt venture that cost investors, contractors and people with their life savings - millions of dollars ? Why is it a success ? Because Trump made money. That is your choice for the white house.

I also don't like Hillary but at least she isn't going to lead the world into WW-III. At least she isn't going to try and put hate into the law books in some convoluted effort to bring back old time race hatred. Trump is - Trump's a major fuck up which may explain some of his support.

A very intuitive insight from a foreign comic link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CceQISThDYQ
If only you could power the planet with debunked posts full of political spin, the trees would be starved for CO2.
 

IM469

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If only you could power the planet with debunked posts full of political spin, the trees would be starved for CO2.
A lot of trees to spin the the enormous amount of bullshit from the Trump camp. BTW: Nothing is debunked when your idiot candidate is caught on VIDEO saying it. Only Trump supporters seem to loose the capacity to follow english when trying to explain moronic statments as presidentual rhetoric.
 
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