Scotch, Cognac question.

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If you have never been properly educated on the correct way to appreciate a fine scotch, it isn't your fault that you don't know how to drink it.

With a good scotch, bring the glass up to your lips, savour the aroma, and bring just enough fluid into your mouth to moisten the tip of your tongue: just a fraction of a sip. Let the scotch evaporate in your mouth, rather than wetting it, and get to know the flavours in the drink.


To start, you should choose a more mellow scotch (I recommend Glenmorangie), and after you know how to drink it, only then you can decide whether you enjoy a more flavourful sample such as, say, Oban.


I am sipping a glenfiddich with soda

1 part scotch 3 parts soda on the rocks

quite tasty

delicious actually


I am a changed man


ribs for din din

then put on a smoking jacket and munch some some dates, braie and pears with some glenmorangie on the rocks




Ceiling Cat, which scotch is best vaporized ? I find Maker's Mark to be best paired with heavily salted nachos smothered with hot melted cheese

 
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If it is 50% scotch and 50% vodka, the alcohol content by volume is still 40% as in both original bottles. All you are diluting is the flavor of the scotch with a neutral base spirit.
Sure but if you were to choose between the glass that is 50% one type of alcohol and 50% another type of alcohol OR a glass of 50% alcohol and 50% juice which would get you more intoxicated?
 

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Sure but if you were to choose between the glass that is 50% one type of alcohol and 50% another type of alcohol OR a glass of 50% alcohol and 50% juice which would get you more intoxicated? Cutting scotch or cognac with a neutral base like vodka is to lower the intensity so that you can savor the essence, if you want to get bombed the cheapest way is vodka.
I am sipping a glenfiddich with soda

1 part scotch 3 parts soda on the rocks

quite tasty

delicious actually

ribs for din din If you enjoy fine dining you can turn some low priced flap meat into a gormet delight with Sous vide cooking ( look it up on youtube )

then put on a smoking jacket and munch some some dates, braie and pears with some glenmorangie on the rocks
If you are a novice scotch drinker maybe you can try a few mixes and review them for us like :

Scotch and 7 up

Scotch with orange juice with a splash of 7 up

and as the OP did scotch on the rocks cut with 50% vodka.
 

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If you are a novice scotch drinker maybe you can try a few mixes and review them for us like :

Scotch and 7 up

Scotch with orange juice with a splash of 7 up

and as the OP did scotch on the rocks cut with 50% vodka.
I most certainly am a novice scotch drinker! I literally tried it once probably when I was 19 visiting my cousins in the Dominican. It was on the rocks and literally only had two gulps before I switched to something else. Scotch burns when it goes down in s different way than most alcohol for me.
 

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I most certainly am a novice scotch drinker! I literally tried it once probably when I was 19 visiting my cousins in the Dominican. It was on the rocks and literally only had two gulps You are not suppose to gulp it, you sip it and savor the aromas and fragrance before I switched to something else. Scotch burns when it goes down in s different way than most alcohol for me.
Try a simple mix like orange juice, a splash of 7up and a slice of lemon. Or one of 10,000 mixes you can fine on the internet. The right way to drink scotch and cognac it the way you like to drink it.

Do you know how some people tell you that to drink cognac properly you must swirel the cognac in a snifter, and then hold the snifter at your navel and inhale the aromas for the first sniffing? Then you hold it up to your chin and do a second sniffing before you put your shnoz in the snifter for a third sniffing? before you even taste it. If that is the way you think it is done, by all means do it........Oh, and do not forget to swirl it in the snifter to see how it coats the glass.

People in France buy very little cognac. Only about 10% of cognac is sold in France as the French people think it is over priced and prefer to by brandy outside of the Cognac region. They drink much of their Cognac and brandy mixed without any ritual.
 

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Ceiling. Cat, are you affiliated with the LCBO or SAQ by chance?
 

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No, I am not affiliated with the LCBO or SAQ. I like to try good scotch, cognacs and other products. I would say that the SAQ in Quebec is much better stocked than the LCBO, but still there are things the SAQ does not carry. For example Meukow VSOP cognac can be had here but not in Quebec. The SAQ in Quebec is much better stocked in XO cognacs, especially the lesser known brands that offer an excellent value. They also have a wider choice of Pineau des Charentes ( Cognac fortified wine ) whereas the LCBO only carries one choice. The Courvoisier Rosé is also only available in Quebec ( Cognac fortified wine ) I highly recommend these two latter products, especially suitable when entertaining a lady. Prices in general. are slightly better in Quebec but the selection is so much better.
 

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Whiskey can be sold as scotch if it is distilled in Scotland but it does not have to be bottled there. There are low quality scotch whiskies that are sold in the US that is bulk shipped from Scotland and blended in the US. These are the dregs from the scotch whisky industry in scotland that they can not sell as quality products. The low priced bottles can be had for as little as $10-11 / liter.
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The truth of the matter is that distilling and aging a good scotch or cognac is not that difficult. The difficulty is marketing and popularizing the product. The rarity of a scotch or cognac is a conspiracy of these distillers to limit production of their products to just barely meet demand. With more demand coming from China for scotch and especially cognac, these distillers have to ramp up production, but just barely to the level where they get premium prices but not flood the market. Canada, US France India and Japan produce whiskies in unlimited quantities, but they lack the reputation and prestige of scotch whiskies. Even though produced in the same manner as Scotch whiskies Indian and Japanese whiskies can not be called scotch. In some taste test Japanese whiskies equal or exceed the quality of scotches produced in Scotland.

There is nothing wrong with adjusting a drink to suit your taste no matter how you do it. I was gifted a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue a few years ago. No matter what I did to it I just did not enjoy the smokey / peaty flavor. I added other scotches to modify it and vodka to tame it down but it never suited me. So in the end I butchered a $250+ bottle without satisfactory results. Modifying a drink to suit your taste is not an affectation. Putting cognac in a snifter and requiring three nosings
and a slurping to take in the aromas is an affectation. Refusing Chivas Regal, Ballantine's or Johnny Walker scotch because it is not single malt is an affectation. Drink it the way you like it. It is affectation that causes people to prefer the Rémy Martin X.O. @ $250 or Hennessy X.O. @ $290 merely because the crowd tells them that these are the best, when a A. de Fussigny X.O. @ $150 or a bottle of Jean Fillioux Cep d'Or X.O. @ $123. Lessor known distillers can craft just a high quality a product as the big distilleries.
I was intrigued by your assertion that these less expensive XO's were as good as the big distillers so I tracked down and purchased a bottle of the Jean Fillioux Cep d'Or X.O. I did a taste test with the Jean Fillioux, Remy VSOP and Hennesey XO. The Jean Fillioux was only marginally better than the VSOP. Not worth the extra money and certainly not in the class of the Hennesey XO. The Hennesey was deeper, richer and smoother by a considerable margin.

So much for saving money. :(
 

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I was intrigued by your assertion that these less expensive XO's Some XO cognacs are exceptional values, not all. People are impressed with brands like Remy Martin, Hennessy, Courvoisier. There are less known brands that have long histories and can put out a quality product. The description in the LCBO website for the Jean Fillioux Cep d'Or X.O. - Kara Newman, of Wine Enthusiast gave a Score of 96. So you did not get a bottle of plonk. were as good as the big distillers so I tracked down and purchased a bottle of the Jean Fillioux Cep d'Or X.O. I did a taste test with the Jean Fillioux, Remy VSOP and Hennesey XO. The Jean Fillioux was only marginally better than the VSOP. Not worth the extra money and certainly not in the class of the Hennesey XO. The Hennesey was deeper, richer and smoother by a considerable margin. People have different taste. You can not find three websites that tatse cognac to agree on the best cognacs. They can only tell you what they like.

So much for saving money. :(
I enjoy a good cognac, I find that it is the exploration and the experience that is the pleasure of enjoying a good cognac
( or scotch ) If you would like a real adventure try to get you hands on a bottle of A. de Fussigny X.O.( approx $150 @ SAQ stores ) You will not be disappointed. There are many up and coming brands that offer excellent products. Two examples of this is P i e r r e Ferrand at the lower end and ABK6 cognac ( pronounced Abacus in French ). Unfortunately these products can only be had in Quebec. However, there are two fine brandies at very reasonable prices you can try from the LCBO. Try Raynal XO 15 Years Old Brandy and De Valcourt Brandy XO. Both under $36 Medium bodied and fruity.

Price and age do not always indicate quality and character in cognac and scotch. I drink XO cognacs only once in a while, I generally stick to my Camus VSOP or Île de Ré. As for scotch the 12 year olds are just fine and I do not mind a good blended scotch.
 

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False, Japan owns more distilleries in Scotland and Ireland (Jameson and Johnnie Walker among them) but it's native craftsmen that make the drink.
 

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It shouldn't be but I'm going to say true. The Far East likes whiskey.

In the 80s.90s Irish whiskey exports dwindled to near 0% exports and was made only for consumption in Ireland, it has come back but no where near the 89 million cases of whiskey made in Scotland.

Still, the Japanese production of 7.6 million cases a year of whiskey exceeds the production of Irish whiskey at 6.8 million cases.

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In the 80s.90s Irish whiskey exports dwindled to near 0% exports and was made only for consumption in Ireland, it has come back but no where near the 89 million cases of whiskey made in Scotland.

Still, the Japanese production of 7.6 million cases a year of whiskey exceeds the production of Irish whiskey at 6.8 million cases.

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Well either they priced myselves out of the world market or their whiskies aren't as good as the Irish. There is Irish at the LCBO but I haven't seen any Japanese. Same on the east coast US.
 

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Well either they priced myselves out of the world market or their whiskies aren't as good as the Irish. There is Irish at the LCBO but I haven't seen any Japanese. Same on the east coast US.
The situation is much more complex than the way you put it. Have Japanese whiskies priced themselves out of the market? Japan is a county that in the recent past have have phenomenal success in business and have made some citizens wealthy and able to afford luxuries such as Scotch whiskies.With all the money they have they have started to buy foreign distilleries as well as establish distilleries in Japan to satisfy demand. Are these whiskies up to the quality level as scotch whiskies. Some whisky experts say some are as good or better, and some are of a lower quality. Very few bottles of Japanese whiskies make it outside Japan. Have Japanese whiskies priced themselves out of the market? As with all distilleries the older the product the more expensive it is. Japan has a population of 127 million people, with the whole population prosperous they indulge in scotch whiskies as well as their home grown products, so export of Japanese whiskies are not a priority.
Are Irish whiskies better than Japanese whiskies. Some are and some are not. Ireland with a population of 6.3 million is about 1/20th. the size of Japan at 127 million pop. yet both countries make about the same amount of whisky ( 6.8 mill. cases Ireland vs. 7.6 mill. case Japan ) You can get Nikka Taketsuru Pure Malt Japanese Whisky but it is only available in some LCBO store.
Just as Japan got prosperous and started to buy up foreign property and import luxury goods and later to build their own distilleries. China will also do the same. It takes time to start up a distillery and produce a good quality product. Fine aged 18 and 25 year old whiskey does not appear over night. With the Irish distillers in re-start mode maybe it is cheaper for the Chinese just to buy up a few distilleries in Ireland and/or Scotland.
 

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Is there a big market for Japanese whisky outside of Japan? Taiwan, China and Russia import it in significant volumes, but the UK and probably N. America will never be large markets for it, even though the product is excellent but the connotation is seen to be somewhat negative. Probably any former British colony will never be a big market for Japanese whiskey as well for the same reasons. The Taiwanese despite being a former Japanese colony have a reverence for Japan and are the only country to have the Japanese Bullet train Shinkansen . Scotland's whiskies are said to be to smoky for the Japanese palate.
 

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Scotland's whiskies are said to be to smoky for the Japanese palate. Not all scotch whiskies are smoky.I do not go for the smokey scotch whiskies myself, so I tend to stick to the Speyside scotches like Glenlivet, Macallen, Aberlour and Cardhu. Chivas is fine anytime, but Glenrothes is my new favorite.
Here is my view on Japanese whisky. It is not marketed outside of Japan. People only know about some brands by reputation and from whiskey tasting competitions. The only people I know that are interested in Japanese whiskies are the whiskey snobs that want to brag about their tasting of the products from around the world. I am not a purist so I say a good whiskey is a good whiskey whether it is a blend or single malt, from Scotland or elsewhere.
 

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The situation is much more complex than the way you put it. Have Japanese whiskies priced themselves out of the market? Japan is a county that in the recent past have have phenomenal success in business and have made some citizens wealthy and able to afford luxuries such as Scotch whiskies.With all the money they have they have started to buy foreign distilleries as well as establish distilleries in Japan to satisfy demand. Are these whiskies up to the quality level as scotch whiskies. Some whisky experts say some are as good or better, and some are of a lower quality. Very few bottles of Japanese whiskies make it outside Japan. Have Japanese whiskies priced themselves out of the market? As with all distilleries the older the product the more expensive it is. Japan has a population of 127 million people, with the whole population prosperous they indulge in scotch whiskies as well as their home grown products, so export of Japanese whiskies are not a priority.
Are Irish whiskies better than Japanese whiskies. Some are and some are not. Ireland with a population of 6.3 million is about 1/20th. the size of Japan at 127 million pop. yet both countries make about the same amount of whisky ( 6.8 mill. cases Ireland vs. 7.6 mill. case Japan ) You can get Nikka Taketsuru Pure Malt Japanese Whisky but it is only available in some LCBO store.
Just as Japan got prosperous and started to buy up foreign property and import luxury goods and later to build their own distilleries. China will also do the same. It takes time to start up a distillery and produce a good quality product. Fine aged 18 and 25 year old whiskey does not appear over night. With the Irish distillers in re-start mode maybe it is cheaper for the Chinese just to buy up a few distilleries in Ireland and/or Scotland.
Hey you were the guy that said Irish exports were basically nothing and how Japan was rising star among exporters. I was merely pointing out that doesn't to be the the case up and down the eastern seaboard of NA. Wan'r asking for further red letter blathering :yo:
 

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Hey you were the guy that said Irish exports were basically nothing and how Japan was rising star among exporters. I was merely pointing out that doesn't to be the the case up and down the eastern seaboard of NA. Wan'r asking for further red letter blathering :yo:
I do not know why you are you upset. Maybe you misread and thought that I said that Irish whiskey is inferior to Japanese whiskies. I can not tell you if this is the case since I have had neither, not consciously anyways. I did say that there are some whisky tasting competitions that have rated some Japanese whisky brands highly. I never said that the Japanese brands were the rising star in exports, quite the contrary. I said that Japan with a population of 127 million and producing 7.6 million cases of whisky probably consume most themselves and much more that need to be imported to meet demand of a prosperous population.

It is fact that Irish whisky exports in the 80s and 90s dwindled down to near 0% and only in the last 15-16 years has rebounded. I refer you to this article :

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-whiskey-industry-2097977-May2015/

 

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Irish or Scotch whiskey

Any difference ?
 
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