Scotch, Cognac question.

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Scotch is whisky aged in an oak barrel.
I think there are two commonly used barrels.
This is from memory from years ago when I cared more about scotch, but as far as I remember scotch is made in recycled barrels (insert joke about cheap scotts here).
Oak barrels come from bourbon, generally and then they also use wine barrels (forget what they are made from).
Oak gives it a vanilla like flavour and the wine barrels a bit more fruitiness.
 

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Which water do you recommend, distilled, deionized with reverse osmosis, bottled imported such as Avian or domestic bottled such as Aquapure or rain water?
Certainly not distilled. I don't know about rain water: I doubt its purity without filtering. I use reverse osmosis or pure spring sourced water for both my coffee and my Scotch.

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Certainly not distilled. I don't know about rain water: I doubt its purity without filtering. I use reverse osmosis or pure spring sourced water for both my coffee and my Scotch.

Perry
I should start to use distilled water in my coffee machine to avoid the need for descaling. Spring water has up to 300ppm so it would really leave mineral deposits in my coffee machine. I lick my scotch neat but I have not really paid attention to the type of water added to my Scotch when not having it neat. Distilled water and reverse osmosis water are both 0 ppm.
 

Insidious Von

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I'll vouch for that. Just 2 or 3 generous drops in about an ounce (not tap water!) does open up the aromas and flavors.
I'm going to give it a go with the Talisker I've already uncorked. But if going to put water in my drink, i'm going to the source of my birth region:

 

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I should start to use distilled water in my coffee machine to avoid the need for descaling.
Yes, but distilled water is too "flat" and acidic. There is quite a bit of controversy about whether or not it is recommended for drinking.

Back along the way I tried it with my coffee machine, but I prefer to put up with the descaling... is is not that big a bother -- at least with my DeLonghi Magnifica.

Perry
 

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Mixing fine scotch with other products is a Sacriledge.
I have over a 100 different types of scotch ranging from 10 to 40 years. Everyone is different.
Scotch is an acquired taste and for people that appreciated it is a pleasure to taste it
 

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Mixing fine scotch with other products is a Sacriledge.(sic!)
Yes... but don't forget that all Scotch begins as barley and water!

We are talking about adding water and about 55-60% of Scotch IS water!

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Mixing fine scotch with other products is a Sacriledge.
I have over a 100 different types of scotch ranging from 10 to 40 years. Everyone is different.
Scotch is an acquired taste and for people that appreciated it is a pleasure to taste it
How does one acquire this taste?
 

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It all depends on the first tasting of the ambrosian dram, if it doesn't romance your taste buds then it's not for you.
just a sip of a single malt swished in mouth then swallow then inhale? Paired with a soft brie and fruit like pears ( careful not to override the whiskies flavor)?
 

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just a sip of a single malt swished in mouth then swallow then inhale? Paired with a soft brie and fruit like pears ( careful not to override the whiskies flavor)?
This is not like rinsing your mouth after you brush your teeth! :wink:

You don't swish good scotch, you slowly sip it.

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just a sip of a single malt swished in mouth then swallow then inhale? Paired with a soft brie and fruit like pears ( careful not to override the whiskies flavor)?
Soft Brie and pears eh. During the feast of Easter I paired 18 year old Lagavulin with curatella (Italian haggis), they melded together swimmingly.

 

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I think there are two commonly used barrels.
This is from memory from years ago when I cared more about scotch, but as far as I remember scotch is made in recycled barrels (insert joke about cheap scotts here).
Oak barrels come from bourbon, generally and then they also use wine barrels Sherry barrels from Spain, I believe they are also oak. (forget what they are made from).
Oak gives it a vanilla like flavour and the wine barrels a bit more fruitiness.
There is a method that some distillers use that is causing some complaints from the purist that say it is not traditional. There is a point where barrels will stop imparting flavor from the wood into the scotch and the barrel is thrown away or re purposed. Some distillers are taking the barrels apart and lining them with bourbon infused oak slats. This way the slats infuse flavour into the whisky. Some people say this is not traditional therefore not acceptable. I say the goal is to make a better product, so why not.

Mixing fine scotch with other products is a Sacrilege.
I have over a 100 different types of scotch ranging from 10 to 40 years. Everyone is different.
Scotch is an acquired taste and for people that appreciated it is a pleasure to taste it
If all Scotch were the same then it would be a waste to put a fine scotch into a mixed drink. There are lower priced scotch like Ballentine's and Dewar's that are passable but are cost effective to be put into a mixed drink. If people prefer mixed drinks, then a low price scotch is what it takes. Any bottle under $40 for 750 ml. is a candidate for mixing. For myself a Chivas Regal and a Glenrothes Select Reserve or Vintage 2001 Speyside ( available in Quebec ) is fine for ordinary occasions. I do have some Glenorangie, Aberlour for times I want something special.

How does one acquire this taste?
I have used the example of blowing a persons ears off with fine music. If the levels are too intense you may not enjoy the finest of music. Why not tone it down by mixing 7-up, water or tonic. You can experience the flavor at a lower intensity and build up the intensity. There are people that enjoy fine tea, coffee, wines and they savoir the aromas. Start at a lower intensity and see if you like it.

I suggest Aberfeldy 12, it is a fine single malt at a reasonable price.
 

Insidious Von

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Musically this is what a good single malt tastes like. Single malt is like the music of JS Bach, when you sip/listen to it all is well with the world.

 

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I have been given bottles of scotch and cognac over the years and they have sat on a shelf because I do not drink as much as I did when I was younger. Back then I did not have Scotch or Cognac too often unless it was offered to me. I have tried drink some of these drinks of the connoisseurs but I am not enjoying or appreciating them as other people seem to do. I have to power them down with vodka which has a almost neutral smell and taste. I use triple distilled Smirnoff vodka. I cut the Scotch or Cognac down 2/3 Vodka to 1/3 Scotch or Cognac. It is good on the rocks or mixed with orange juice a splash of 7 up and a slice of lemon. My questions are : Do other people find Scotch and Cognac too strong out of the bottle? Do other people cut them down in flavor with Vodka and is it proper to mix Scotch and Cognac with mixes like orange juice and 7up?
Wow chasing alcohol with alcohol. You're a champ! I can't drink scotch on the rocks. I can only drink it with coffee (hot or iced). I DO love a good cognac though (Hennessy anyone?). It tastes the best with cranberry juice, coke or root beer. Yes I said root beer! Try it! However I can only drink it on the rocks or from the bottle after a few mixed drinks and I'm feeling good. Mind you I literally only drink maybe once or twice a month.
 

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Wow chasing alcohol with alcohol. You're a champ! .
If it is 50% scotch and 50% vodka, the alcohol content by volume is still 40% as in both original bottles. All you are diluting is the flavor of the scotch with a neutral base spirit.
 

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If it is 50% scotch and 50% vodka, the alcohol content by volume is still 40% as in both original bottles. All you are diluting is the flavor of the scotch with a neutral base spirit.
When I chase alcohol with alcohol then it is really only the state of oblivion the state of oblivion that I am really chasing!
 

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If you have never been properly educated on the correct way to appreciate a fine scotch, it isn't your fault that you don't know how to drink it.

With a good scotch, bring the glass up to your lips, savour the aroma, and bring just enough fluid into your mouth to moisten the tip of your tongue: just a fraction of a sip. Let the scotch evaporate in your mouth, rather than wetting it, and get to know the flavours in the drink.

With a fine cognac, you would bring slightly more fluid into your mouth - just enough that the flavour of the cognac will warm your senses, and you might feel a warming effect in your sinuses.

To start, you should choose a more mellow scotch (I recommend Glenmorangie), and after you know how to drink it, only then you can decide whether you enjoy a more flavourful sample such as, say, Oban.
 

Ceiling Cat

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The Glenmorangie Original 10 and 18 year old is mellow and light, but the Nectar d'Or and Lasanta is more intense. If you are a true connoisseur of cognac and scotch there are many brands that are just as good as the popular well known brands. Glenmorangie was little know 10-15 years ago but now is quite popular. There are many brands that have been around for generations but did not build up a customer base and do not have large marketing budgets. These products can be quality at bargain prices.

Suggestions : Up and coming quality products.

Meukow VSOP Cognac - Very refined cognac with less burn than other brands.

Aberfeldy 12 Year Old Scotch - A single malt version of Chivas Regal
 
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