Any gun owners / shooters here

[John Henry]

I presume you mean handgun?

Take the weekend course
Fill the Possession and Acquisition License application
Get 3 references including your wife,
Send to the RCMP,
Wait 40 days for your license to be issued
Join a gun club
Do their safety course
Shoot under supervision a half dozen times at the club
Buy a handgun,
Get transfer approval from the OPP...

And you're good to go!

Unlike the States where anyone can just walk in and purchase a gun with only a background check us Canadians have to take at least 2 safety courses . 3 if the handgun course is separate from the normal PAL course . Even then your not going to be able to purchase a hand gun unless you belong to a bonafide gun club . You have to submit the name of the gun club that you belong to when purchasing a hand gun . Your not going to be able to take that handgun home that day either . Your application is sent to the RCMP and the ownership is transferred to your name first . The only reason you can give to be able to own a hand gun is target shooting . That's why you must write down the name of the club . Don't lie because they will check .

Funny how law bidding citizens have to jump through hoops to own a gun . Wonder if the hoods have passed a gun course or have had a background check down on them .

 

[fuji]

You forgot about the part where 2 cops come at your house to *interrogate* you. At least that was SOP back in 2001 when I got my PAL.

Fucking nosy bastards too

No one came to my house to interrogate me. They have phone conversations with two of my friends and a very brief one with me.

 

[AK-47]

No one came to my house to interrogate me. They have phone conversations with two of my friends and a very brief one with me.

Well of course not, you're fuji.

I'm surprised they even wanted to talk to you at all, fuji. You probably had all the answers ready before they asked you :biggrin1:

 

[fuji]

Well of course not, you're fuji.

I'm surprised they even wanted to talk to you at all, fuji. You probably had all the answers ready before they asked you :biggrin1:

Of course I had all the answers ready, who wouldn't? But all they really did was confirm some basic information from the application.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

AK-47,

To answer your question. What, you never heard of a computer at work? I suggest you also check the post in the days, weeks, and months past.

 

[Spacealien2]

Hmm, another question.

Can I carry my gun outside with a permit (if it exists?)

 

[cunning linguist]

Hmm, another question.

Can I carry my gun outside with a permit (if it exists?)

What kind of gun, what's your reason and where are you taking it?

For the sake of the discussion, let's assume restricted handgun. Authorization to Carry does exist, but good luck getting one, they're basically unobtanium unless your job requires it, like if you were an armoured car guard or had a job in remote wilderness, like trappers.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/wild-sauvage-eng.htm

 

[wilbur]

JR Carbine is a 9mm or a 45 cal rifle . It is not prohibited or restricted by any means . The 9mm rifle takes 9mm Glock mags and the 45 takes 45 cal. Glock mags . If you have a Glock 45cal or a Glock 9mm then those two make a nice pair depending what cal. of rifle you choose . You can even get a JR Carbine takedown if you like.

No mags go on the side . They all get inserted from the bottom.

I was wondering about the Glock 19. Unless you're in the prohib class, you have to have a 4" barrel, in which case the barrel extends past the slide. So what's the point?

 

[wilbur]

Hmm, another question.

Can I carry my gun outside with a permit (if it exists?)

Reflects the public perception that anyone can just go to the gun shop and walk out with a handgun, especially since the end of the long gun registry.

This was reinforced by Toronto ex-mayor Miller, when he wanted to ban gun shops and gun ranges from the city of Toronto, as if gangbangers could simply walk in and buy a handgun and go and practice at an indoor range.

Most people figure that when the Conservative abolished the [long-gun] registry, they deregulated firearms altogether, which is so far away from the truth. After C-42, the Liberals were trying to make everyone believe that anybody could then just legally pack a handgun anytime they went out, like shopping.... it was disingenuous when they knew better, but they did that to stir up the masses, since politics for the masses is mainly black and white, including some politicians.

Even with the abolition of the ATT (Authorisation to Transport) paperwork requirement, a target shooter must till travel between home and a CFO approved range via the most direct route. Getting caught doing otherwise without justification can land you in prison, not to mention lose you gun license for a very long time. You also cannot shoot on your own property, unless you spend a lot of money in order to satisfy the criteria for an approved range, the same as it applies to club and commercial ranges.

 

[Spacealien2]

Well there goes my hope of using a gun to protect my loved ones.

 

[John Henry]

I was wondering about the Glock 19. Unless you're in the prohib class, you have to have a 4" barrel, in which case the barrel extends past the slide. So what's the point?

The JR Carbine uses Glock mags , 9mm or 45cal . Depending on which model you get . So since I want a 9mm hand gun I'll get the Glock 19 ( 9mm ) and I can interchange the mags with the JR Carbine . Since I have plenty of extra mags for the JR Carbine I can save a bundle of money in not buying extra mags for the Glock 19 .

Mags are very expensive , around $50 or more . That can add up if you want to get 4 or 5 of them .

Glock 19 ( Gen 4 ) is a nice gun with the barrel longer than 4 inches which is legal and the JR Carbine has a legal barrel as well . Glock 19 ie restricted and the JR is not . Nice part is that you can use the mags in either gun .

 

[wilbur]

The JR Carbine uses Glock mags , 9mm or 45cal . Depending on which model you get . So since I want a 9mm hand gun I'll get the Glock 19 ( 9mm ) and I can interchange the mags with the JR Carbine . Since I have plenty of extra mags for the JR Carbine I can save a bundle of money in not buying extra mags for the Glock 19 . Mags are very expensive , around $50 or more . That can add up if you want to get 4 or 5 of them . Glock 19 ( Gen 4 ) is a nice gun with the barrel longer than 4 inches which is legal and the JR Carbine has a legal barrel as well . Glock 19 ie restricted and the JR is not . Nice part is that you can use the mags in either gun .

I use 10 round LR-15 pistol mags in my T97... all perfectly legal. I have 6 Glock 17 mags and broke 2: the catch that holds the slide back on empty fell off after some wear and tear. But I was wondering why you would want a Glock 19, which is in the prohibited class if it comes with the original barrel, if you have to get one with a longer 4 inch barrel in order to make it restricted? Why not just get a Glock 17 instead? I think that Questar sells them, but why would anybody go for an ugly (IMO) restricted Glock 19 with the barrel sticking out about an inch when a Glock 17 looks more 'normal'?

 

[John Henry]

Hmm, another question.

Can I carry my gun outside with a permit (if it exists?)

Like what CL has said the answer is no in a way . For a every day carry like they have in the States the answer is no . Even Old Man Trudeau applied for a permit to carry and he was turned down . Only way in Canada you are allowed every day carry is if your job requires it like a cop or your carrying money ( Brinks or something like that ).

Once a cop finishes his shift he has to lock up the gun . No he can't carry it around when ever or where he wants to after his or hers shift like they can in most states.

Now a days you can take a hand gun to a gun shop to get work done on it with out getting a special ATT permit to do that . You got the old ATT permit after you joined a gun club which is now good enough so no need for a special permit . The club made you take their safety course and then sent the paper work to Orillia to get the papers for the ATT . Now a days the new PAL will show if you have a ATT so carrying the paper work is not needed .

In Canada you can order a hand gun from anywhere in the country and it will be shipped ( UPS , Canada Post or Can Par ) to your address . The good thing with Canada Post is that if your not home when it is delivered you can pick it up at your local postal centre . Before you had to get a special ATT to bring it it from the post office to your home ( not any more with the new rules ) all though I doubt many people did that . Just go and pick up the package .

In the States if you order on-line you have to it sent to a local FFL Dealer , then pick it up from them which will cost you more money . No firearms are delivered to your home like they are in Canada . Some States like New York you can't even order ammunition from out of State . In Canada you can order what ever or how much you wish to and it is delivered right to your front door .

In Canada you can order a Mare's Leg rifle that's only 24inches long . You can get it in 357 ( 38 ) 22.cal or even a 45 L if you wish . In Canada it's considered a rifle but in the States it's considered a hand gun .

http://www.bullseyelondon.com/media...f78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/0/h006ml.jpg

Our gun laws maybe tougher at times but in other ways not as tough as they are in some States .

 

[jcpro]

Well there goes my hope of using a gun to protect my loved ones.

In Canada you're not permitted to defend yourself or your property with a firearm. There are exceptions, but they'll set you back a fortune in legal fees. When in doubt, hit the robber with a baseball bat and bury the body deep. You'll save yourself a load of trouble.

 

[John Henry]

I use 10 round LR-15 pistol mags in my T97... all perfectly legal. I have 6 Glock 17 mags and broke 2: the catch that holds the slide back on empty fell off after some wear and tear. But I was wondering why you would want a Glock 19, which is in the prohibited class if it comes with the original barrel, if you have to get one with a longer 4 inch barrel in order to make it restricted? Why not just get a Glock 17 instead? I think that Questar sells them, but why would anybody go for an ugly (IMO) restricted Glock 19 with the barrel sticking out about an inch when a Glock 17 looks more 'normal'?

I may have gotten my Glock numbers mixed up . LOL I want the one with the shorter barrel . Checking the web sites they say that the Glock 19 has a longer barrel than the Glock 17 . I'l check it out before I get one of those . More than likely the Glock 17 . Thanks .

I have plenty of those LR-15 mags as well . Even have a few of those .50 Beowulf that will hold 15 of the 223's .

 

[cunning linguist]

Like what CL has said the answer is no in a way . For a every day carry like they have in the States the answer is no . Even Old Man Trudeau applied for a permit to carry and he was turned down . Only way in Canada you are allowed every day carry is if your job requires it like a cop or your carrying money ( Brinks or something like that ).

Once a cop finishes his shift he has to lock up the gun . No he can't carry it around when ever or where he wants to after his or hers shift like they can in most states.

Now a days you can take a hand gun to a gun shop to get work done on it with out getting a special ATT permit to do that . You got the old ATT permit after you joined a gun club which is now good enough so no need for a special permit . The club made you take their safety course and then sent the paper work to Orillia to get the papers for the ATT . Now a days the new PAL will show if you have a ATT so carrying the paper work is not needed .

In Canada you can order a hand gun from anywhere in the country and it will be shipped ( UPS , Canada Post or Can Par ) to your address . The good thing with Canada Post is that if your not home when it is delivered you can pick it up at your local postal centre . Before you had to get a special ATT to bring it it from the post office to your home ( not any more with the new rules ) all though I doubt many people did that . Just go and pick up the package .

In the States if you order on-line you have to it sent to a local FFL Dealer , then pick it up from them which will cost you more money . No firearms are delivered to your home like they are in Canada . Some States like New York you can't even order ammunition from out of State . In Canada you can order what ever or how much you wish to and it is delivered right to your front door .

In Canada you can order a Mare's Leg rifle that's only 24inches long . You can get it in 357 ( 38 ) 22.cal or even a 45 L if you wish . In Canada it's considered a rifle but in the States it's considered a hand gun .

http://www.bullseyelondon.com/media...f78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/0/h006ml.jpg

Our gun laws maybe tougher at times but in other ways not as tough as they are in some States .

A point of clarification, cops don't have ATCs, they're not even required to do the firearms safety course. Through provisions in the Criminal Code and Police Services Act, they carry firearms as a condition of their employment.

An armoured car guard does require an ATC, though; they're treated as citizens, albeit employed in a profession which can legally justify the carrying of a restricted firearm, with no explicit exemptions under Canadian law.

 

[cunning linguist]

I use 10 round LR-15 pistol mags in my T97... all perfectly legal. I have 6 Glock 17 mags and broke 2: the catch that holds the slide back on empty fell off after some wear and tear. But I was wondering why you would want a Glock 19, which is in the prohibited class if it comes with the original barrel, if you have to get one with a longer 4 inch barrel in order to make it restricted? Why not just get a Glock 17 instead? I think that Questar sells them, but why would anybody go for an ugly (IMO) restricted Glock 19 with the barrel sticking out about an inch when a Glock 17 looks more 'normal'?

Some people like the "fit" of the 19 better than the 17; allegedly, the "Glock hump" is less pronounced in the 19 frame. That being said, no one's being hurt, if someone wants to spend the extra money to purchase a Canadian compliant Glock 19, have at 'er.

 

[John Henry]

In Canada you're not permitted to defend yourself or your property with a firearm. There are exceptions, but they'll set you back a fortune in legal fees. When in doubt, hit the robber with a baseball bat and bury the body deep. You'll save yourself a load of trouble.

Like the case in Hamilton a few weeks ago where a home owner shot and killed a guy who was trying to steal his truck at 3 in the morning . Didn't take him long to get bail which seems kind of strange .

Then you had the case in Welland I think where a bunch of guys were fire bombing some ones home in the country . The home owner took a warning shot and the criminals took off. The cops charged the home owner because he hadn't put his gun away safely even though he just used it . WTF .

People trying to kill and burn down your home and the home owner gets charged . Makes you really wonder WTF . Yea I'll just watch these guys burn my house down while I wait for the cops to show up .

The home owner got off but with some hefty legal fees . F*cking ridiculous .

 

[whitewaterguy]

Like the case in Hamilton a few weeks ago where a home owner shot and killed a guy who was trying to steal his truck at 3 in the morning . Didn't take him long to get bail which seems kind of strange .

Then you had the case in Welland I think where a bunch of guys were fire bombing some ones home in the country . The home owner took a warning shot and the criminals took off. The cops charged the home owner because he hadn't put his gun away safely even though he just used it . WTF .

People trying to kill and burn down your home and the home owner gets charged . Makes you really wonder WTF . Yea I'll just watch these guys burn my house down while I wait for the cops to show up .

The home owner got off but with some hefty legal fees . F*cking ridiculous .

The only exception being that I can shoot stray dogs endangering my livestock big fucking deal

 

[radagast]

In Canada you're not permitted to defend yourself or your property with a firearm. There are exceptions, but they'll set you back a fortune in legal fees. When in doubt, hit the robber with a baseball bat and bury the body deep. You'll save yourself a load of trouble.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6...