Jian Ghomeshi trial to begin in Toronto Monday

Perry Mason

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... a finding of not guilty isn't proof that he didn't do it.
Yes, Mr. Carroll...

And just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you! :p

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Yes, Mr. Carroll...

And just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you! :p

Perry
Proof without a reasonable doubt is quite rightly a very high bar, but it also means many people who actually did the crime walk free. In criminal court the freedom of an individual is at stake and so that high bar is appropriate, as is the curb it places on state power. But in the court of public opinion, in an employment context, in hiring and firing decisions, and other contexts, particularly in the court of public opinion, the standard is more rightly what is likely.
 

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Proof without a reasonable doubt is quite rightly a very high bar, but it also means many people who actually did the crime walk free. In criminal court the freedom of an individual is at stake and so that high bar is appropriate, as is the curb it places on state power. But in the court of public opinion, in an employment context, in hiring and firing decisions, and other contexts, particularly in the court of public opinion, the standard is more rightly what is likely.
It's not a matter of standards or burdens of proof, ya dummy!

It's a matter of the language you use, Humpty... “When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

So if you want to talk with your head down that rabbit hole, be my guest... I can easily put you on ignore... together with AK 47!

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It's not a matter of standards or burdens of proof, ya dummy!

It's a matter of the language you use, Humpty... “When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

So if you want to talk with your head down that rabbit hole, be my guest... I can easily put you on ignore... together with AK 47!

Perry
You need to be aware of context when looking at what a word means. I was simply pointing out to you that here on the escort review board people were using the word innocent to mean "he didn't do it", as opposed to what it means when you dress up in funny gowns and pontificate in front if a judge, where it means "absence of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it".
 

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You need to be aware of context when looking at what a word means. I was simply pointing out to you that here on the escort review board people were using the word innocent to mean "he didn't do it", as opposed to what it means when you dress up in funny gowns and pontificate in front if a judge, where it means "absence of proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it".
Innocent and not guilty are synonyms.
 

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Perry
I'm right. It is not true.

The difference will become significant if the same matter is subsequently pursued in civil court where the standard is balance of probabilities instead of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
 

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I'm right. It is not true.

The difference will become significant if the same matter is subsequently pursued in civil court where the standard is balance of probabilities instead of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Fugi let it it go for FS, Perry is talking from experience and what he is sure of in his profession. Innocents and quilt are very profound words in the legal system.
I should know this cause I have done jury duty, besides the fact that my brother is a lawyer. Lets just wait and see what happens to this Ghomeshi
 

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Fugi let it it go for FS, Perry is talking from experience and what he is sure of in his profession. Innocents and quilt are very profound words in the legal system.
I should know this cause I have done jury duty, besides the fact that my brother is a lawyer. Lets just wait and see what happens to this Ghomeshi
Perry is wrong. A famous example from the US: OJ was found not guilty in criminal court but subsequently held responsible in civil court. He won the criminal case but lost the civil one due to the different standards of proof used between the two.
 

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Perry is wrong. A famous example from the US: OJ was found not guilty in criminal court but subsequently held responsible in civil court.
That is not a fare analysis. This case was originally too publicised, but my guess is there was a motivating reason for that, from the defence.
 

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That is not a fare analysis. This case was originally too publicised, but my guess is there was a motivating reason for that, from the defence.
The OJ case very much highlights how the two different standards of proof can reach different conclusions, specifically how you can be found not guilty in criminal court even though you probably did it.
 

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The OJ case very much highlights how the two different standards of proof can reach different conclusions, specifically how you can be found not guilty in criminal court even though you probably did it.
Don't delude yourself, in the very end he got what he deserved !
 
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