Zunera Ishaq cleared by court to take citizenship oath wearing niqab

[FAST]

Again, you just claimed


So now you are at least admitting that your religion is freedom from Muslims.

Holy shit,...you're turning into groogy.

My statemant,....While accepting citizenship to Canada, and dealing with the public, while working for the government,...the majority.

The polls support that statement,...I NEVER said the polls were taken with Muslims only,...that's your groggy'ism tactic.

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[FAST]

Again, you just claimed


So now you are at least admitting that your religion is freedom from Muslims.

No groggy,...never said that.

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[oldjones]

Yep,...been there,...done that,...but you do know that cashiers working at a grocery store,...or Sears,...aren't civil servants.

Being questioned by a civil servant while hiding ones face,...completely different,...!!!

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You're fine so far. Not a single niqab wearer has been hired by the public service. Harper missed the three citizenship applicants so far (and still hasn't noticed he needs to amend a law to plug that loophole) but he claims he'll be right on the swivel-service catastrophe as soon as he's re-elected.

And we know he's never yet broken a promise or spoken an untruth don't we.

 

[oldjones]

Some Quebecois are arriving at the advance polls wearing masks.

Must be hot and uncomfortable for them, but they present no insurmountable difficulties as long as they identify themselves. If not, they'll be turned away.

 

[SkyRider]

If you're so backward you think symbols matter more than laws and we should run the country that way, how are you better than the Taliban?

Symbols matters. That is why she wears the niqab, a symbol she says shows she is a devout Muslim (implying that Muslim women who don't wear the niqab are not devout Muslims).

http://en.europenews.dk/Malala-says...-Islamists-who-tried-to-kill-her--126973.html

The niqab is a controversial issue in the Muslim community. "Old stock" Canadians and our courts should stay out of the controversy.

 

[oldjones]

In Germany they have laws against showing nazi symbols in public. In Baltic states that also applies to soviet symbols

And Harper could easily have used his majority to pass some new anti-niqab law, but he didn't. Our Dear Leader believed his mere say-so was all it took to decide who gets to be a citizen.

The Courts twice told him he was breaking the existing law of the land, and that even he had to obey the law.

 

[oldjones]

Symbols matters. That is why she wears the niqab, a symbol she says shows she is a devout Muslim (implying that Muslim women who don't wear the niqab are not devout Muslims).

http://en.europenews.dk/Malala-says...-Islamists-who-tried-to-kill-her--126973.html

The niqab is a controversial issue in the Muslim community. "Old stock" Canadians and our courts should stay out of the controversy.

Please produce the quote that supports your far-fetched statement. What I've read is that she wears it as her personal choice to remind herself of the religious duty she has assumed.

Symbols certainly do matter but our society draws the line at forcing others to accept symbols they did not choose. That's what Harper stands for (I'll be charitable and call his choice to dio it unlawfully an oversight rather than a calculated effort to stir up his bigoted base) and you are supporting it.

You still haven't addressed the question I posed, and which you quoted: If you're so backward that you think symbols matter more than laws and that we should run the country that way, how are you better than the Taliban?

 

[basketcase]

No groggy,...never said that.

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My "religion" requires you to show you face when you address me,...

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My "religion",...is the freedom from religion.
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Actually,...no,...Although I am a none believer,...I celebrate Xmas,...have been invited to, and attended Bar Mitzvah,...and was married in a Catholic church,...because you understand,...that Catholics aren't allowed to enter another persons place of worship,...I know,...kinda narrow minded,...EH
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So your 'religion' is freedom from religion so a woman wearing a veil is a violation of your rights yet you have no problems with Christian and Jewish religious celebrations.

 

[basketcase]

In Germany they have laws against showing nazi symbols in public. In Baltic states that also applies to soviet symbols....

Maybe you missed it but neither Nazi or Soviet are religions.

 

[basketcase]

Symbols matters. That is why she wears the niqab, a symbol she says shows she is a devout Muslim ...

So do crosses, turbans, and yarmulkes also bother you?

 

[bver_hunter]

There were NO polls that selectively asked Muslims their opinion,...that would be something the Fiberals and Mucklair might do though,...




Actually,...no,...Although I am a none believer,...I celebrate Xmas,...have been invited to, and attended Bar Mitzvah,...and was married in a Catholic church,...because you understand,...that Catholics aren't allowed to enter another persons place of worship,...I know,...kinda narrow minded,...EH

But as you can see,...I am much more open minded than the religious,...

The religious should try it some time,...might understand how none believers feel about always respecting their "rights",...but not everybody else's rights.

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Catholics not allowed to enter another religious place of worship? Are you still in the 17th Century? Have you been to Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Methodist Wedding Ceremonies in their respective places of worship and not seen any Catholics? Were they there undercover so that the Pope and Archbishops do not come to know about it? Holy Smokes, the type of statements that are spewed out at times!!

 

[SkyRider]

So do crosses, turbans, and yarmulkes also bother you?

Guys, we are co-mingling two separate issues here. Miss Ishaq said she is required to wear the niqab because she is a female Muslim. Not true. There are over 400,000 female Muslims in Canada who do not wear the niqab. The real issue is freedom of choice not religious freedom. She has the choice to wear the niqab just as you and I have the choice to wear the niqab. With regards to freedom of choice to wear whatever your heart desires, I suppose you could wear a baseball cap, sunglasses, welder's mask, surgical mask, goalie helmet, motorcycle helmet, etc. and/or a niqab at the citizenship ceremony.

 

[basketcase]

Miss Ishaq said she is required to wear the niqab because she is a female Muslim

And many Christians and Jews believe they must wear religious paraphernalia because of their religion. Others may disagree but that is their right since in Canada the government doesn't determine how one follows their religious beliefs

... I suppose you could wear a baseball cap, sunglasses, welder's mask, surgical mask, goalie helmet, motorcycle helmet, etc. and/or a niqab at the citizenship ceremony.

Sure. So why are you so worried about her with a veil.

 

[FAST]

I have "rights" also,...

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So your 'religion' is freedom from religion so a woman wearing a veil is a violation of your rights yet you have no problems with Christian and Jewish religious celebrations.

Come on basketcase,...you'er not doing your reputation any good by playing the dummy.

Its obvious that my point is,... that allowing some to use their religion as an all powerful excuse for what ever the hell they wish to impose on others,...is simply wrong.

Once again,...if my "religion" makes it a sin to converse with some one hiding their face,...just how far would I get if a civil servant was interviewing me for a passport was hiding their face,...and I stated that my "religion" does not allow me to communicate with that person,... because their face was being hidden.

And to make you look even more like you are playing the dummy,...I had a choice to partake in those religious celebrations,...

Keep "religion" the hell out of ANY part of any government,...to do otherwise,...is a to follow a not exactly so slow road down the wrong path,...!!!

Religions have done far more damage,...than good,...and this example only confirms the divisive affect it has on humanity.

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[SkyRider]

Sure. So why are you so worried about her with a veil.

Just because one can doesn't mean one should. IMHO, I think it is inappropriate to cover one's face on such an occasion. The proof is that she is the only one who covered her face.

 

[basketcase]

Just because one can doesn't mean one should. IMHO, I think it is inappropriate to cover one's face on such an occasion. ....

The Supreme court clearly disagrees with you though.

 

[basketcase]

Come on basketcase,...you'er not doing your reputation any good by playing the dummy....

If being a dummy means pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy of your posts then so be it. You said you ant to be free of religion yet you openly take part in Christian and Jewish religious ceremonies. Why don't you just admit that you think Muslims should be treated differently.

 

[SkyRider]

The Supreme court clearly disagrees with you though.

I don't think the Superior (not Supreme) Court said that just because you can you must.

 

[FAST]

If being a dummy means pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy of your posts then so be it. You said you ant to be free of religion yet you openly take part in Christian and Jewish religious ceremonies. Why don't you just admit that you think Muslims should be treated differently.

You'er only making yourself look worse,...basketcase,...!!!

I said,...over and over again,...I want to be free from "religion" being forced on me,...if you can't understand that,...then you are,...a dummy.

I deal with Muslims on a regular basis,...although I have not been to a Muslim ceremony,...I would gladly accept.

This has NOTHING to do with the specific "religion",...I could care less what "religion" has this degrading and in some circumstances,...insulting trait,...but with it being forced on me,...and showing disrespect for my country,...


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[oldjones]

Guys, we are co-mingling two separate issues here. Miss Ishaq said she is required to wear the niqab because she is a female Muslim. Not true. There are over 400,000 female Muslims in Canada who do not wear the niqab. The real issue is freedom of choice not religious freedom. She has the choice to wear the niqab just as you and I have the choice to wear the niqab. With regards to freedom of choice to wear whatever your heart desires, I suppose you could wear a baseball cap, sunglasses, welder's mask, surgical mask, goalie helmet, motorcycle helmet, etc. and/or a niqab at the citizenship ceremony.

What is not true is your lie about her reason for choosing to wear the niqab.

With regards to what you, I or anyone can choose to wear to take their Citizenship Oath on some frivolous whim, of course you're talking off the top of your head, and showing no respect for the ceremony or the oath whith your list of clownish costumes. "The Oath of Citizenship is a solemn and significant part of the citizenship ceremony" as the Ministry says, and it has always had a religious basis. Even if those without a religion can simply swear, a whole range of holy books is supplied to suit any individual preferences. You shame us 'old stock' Canadians by trivializing it.

Ms. Ishaq on the other hand, by her long and costly legal fight to take the oath in spite of the government's illegal opposition has demonstrated that she values it highly with all the solemnity of her beliefs as a Muslim.