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jcpro

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As a former military member I can clearly tell you have no clue. A howitzer shell, while fairly accurate, is not that accurate. Even the Iron Dome system is not perfect.

Also, yes, bring on the ICC, I'd love to see Hamas, the PLO, etc answer for their deliberate attacks on civilians. Israel has caused civilian casualties in defence, totally different than attacking/bombing buses, cafes, university campuses.
When I was in the military we did not have this capability, either. We did not have GPS and many other toys we have today. Nonetheless, we do have them today. In use, issued to the troops, combat tested, fired by howitzers, even heavy mortars. Try to keep up with the times.
 

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BTW, I found some of this reggae guy's lyrics. I cas see why BDS found them so offensive.

Sometimes I lay
Under the moon
And thank God I'm breathing
Then I pray
Don't take me soon
'Cause I am here for a reason

Sometimes in my tears I drown
But I never let it get me down
So when negativity surrounds
I know some day it'll all turn around because...

All my life I've been waiting for
I've been praying for
For the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There will be no more wars
And our children will play
One day [6x]

It's not about
Win or lose
'Cause we all lose
When they feed on the souls of the innocent
Blood-drenched pavement
Keep on moving though the waters stay raging

In this maze you can lose your way (your way)
It might drive you crazy but don't let it faze you, no way (no way)

Sometimes in my tears I drown (I drown)
But I never let it get me down (get me down)
So when negativity surrounds (surrounds)
I know some day it'll all turn around because...

All my life I've been waiting for
I've been praying for
For the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There will be no more wars
And our children will play
One day [6x]

One day this all will change
Treat people the same
Stop with the violence
Down with the hate

One day we'll all be free
And proud to be
Under the same sun
Singing songs of freedom like
One day [2x]

All my life I've been waiting for
I've been praying for
For the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There will be no more wars
And our children will play
One day [6x]



Peace, getting along, stopping war, stopping hate. I can see why the Palestinian supporters were so offended.
 

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When I was in the military we did not have this capability, either. We did not have GPS and many other toys we have today. Nonetheless, we do have them today. In use, issued to the troops, combat tested, fired by howitzers, even heavy mortars. Try to keep up with the times.
I still instruct on contract for the military and have a few friends in artillery. Gps is not precise, usually off by a matter of meters. The other toys still aren't going to make an artillery shell perfectly accurate that it will take down an incoming missile, especially ones that aren't reliable or very accurate at all in the first place.
 

jcpro

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I still instruct on contract for the military and have a few friends in artillery. Gps is not precise, usually off by a matter of meters. The other toys still aren't going to make an artillery shell perfectly accurate that it will take down an incoming missile, especially ones that aren't reliable or very accurate at all in the first place.
Israel( and others) have the capability of firing a 155 mm, high explosive howitzer shell down the trajectory of the incoming rocket.. I never said that the guided shells are used for downing rockets. Read the post again. They are perfect for destroying launchers. Arabs know that and launch rockets remotely from within civilians. Yet, the Israelis do not engage in counter-battery fire which they are capable of doing, but would also level Gaza. Instead they use air assets to visually confirm targets. It limits collateral damage, but saves terrorist's lives. What separates Israelis from Arabs is the unwillingness to employ maximum effort in a civilian area. If they stay with this approach, eventually they'll be defeated.
 

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BTW, I found some of this reggae guy's lyrics. I cas see why BDS found them so offensive.

Sometimes I lay
Under the moon
And thank God I'm breathing
Then I pray
Don't take me soon
'Cause I am here for a reason

Sometimes in my tears I drown
But I never let it get me down
So when negativity surrounds
I know some day it'll all turn around because...

All my life I've been waiting for
I've been praying for
For the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There will be no more wars
And our children will play
One day [6x]

It's not about
Win or lose
'Cause we all lose
When they feed on the souls of the innocent
Blood-drenched pavement
Keep on moving though the waters stay raging

In this maze you can lose your way (your way)
It might drive you crazy but don't let it faze you, no way (no way)

Sometimes in my tears I drown (I drown)
But I never let it get me down (get me down)
So when negativity surrounds (surrounds)
I know some day it'll all turn around because...

All my life I've been waiting for
I've been praying for
For the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There will be no more wars
And our children will play
One day [6x]

One day this all will change
Treat people the same
Stop with the violence
Down with the hate

One day we'll all be free
And proud to be
Under the same sun
Singing songs of freedom like
One day [2x]

All my life I've been waiting for
I've been praying for
For the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There will be no more wars
And our children will play
One day [6x]



Peace, getting along, stopping war, stopping hate. I can see why the Palestinian supporters were so offended.
BDS is a hate group whose steering committee includes Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Full on hate.
 

basketcase

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BDS is a hate group whose steering committee includes Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Full on hate.
They were at the concert prominently protesting the fact that he was allowed to play, waving flags during the concert, and heckling. I guess Jews aren't considered welcome no matter how peaceful and hopeful their message is.

p.s. I watched his stuff on youtube. Some of the songs including the one above are quite good (also pretty incongruous to see his old videos where he was still orthodox while spitting a pretty convincing patois accent).
 

nottyboi

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They were at the concert prominently protesting the fact that he was allowed to play, waving flags during the concert, and heckling. I guess Jews aren't considered welcome no matter how peaceful and hopeful their message is.

p.s. I watched his stuff on youtube. Some of the songs including the one above are quite good (also pretty incongruous to see his old videos where he was still orthodox while spitting a pretty convincing patois accent).
Well Mel Gibson is a pretty good actor and director.....
 

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Well Mel Gibson is a pretty good actor and director.....
Show me where this guy has ever said any of the sorts of things Gibson did. You have made this huge guilty by association argument, which actually boils down to "OMG HE IS A JEW" unless you can come up with some quotes.
 

basketcase

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Well Mel Gibson is a pretty good actor and director.....
What an idiotic statement.

You want to judge Matisyahu as evil simply because he is Jewish. You flat out stated that in the Iran thread. Excuse me if I judge a musician based solely on their music and their words.
 

nottyboi

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What an idiotic statement.

You want to judge Matisyahu as evil simply because he is Jewish. You flat out stated that in the Iran thread. Excuse me if I judge a musician based solely on their music and their words.
No, he is judged based on his affiliation with Zionist groups. Just like people who are affiliated with Hezbollah and Hamas are judged by their affiliations.
 

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Show me where this guy has ever said any of the sorts of things Gibson did. You have made this huge guilty by association argument, which actually boils down to "OMG HE IS A JEW" unless you can come up with some quotes.
He is affiliated with Zionist groups. He was asked to state his support for a 2 state solution which is the official position of Israel itself. He declined. WHY WHY WHY??? Actions speak louder then words.
 

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No, he is judged based on his affiliation with Zionist groups. Just like people who are affiliated with Hezbollah and Hamas are judged by their affiliations.
Bullshit. You admitted yourself that the religious groups he was with were not zionist.

Besides that you posted this.
nottyboi said:
But as someone who presents himself as a Jewish artist, by using the name of a famous Jewish hero as his stage name, he bears the burned of Israels demand for recognition.
Flat out racism.
 

basketcase

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He is affiliated with Zionist groups. He was asked to state his support for a 2 state solution which is the official position of Israel itself. He declined. WHY WHY WHY??? Actions speak louder then words.
The WHY, WHY, WHY is Why was he the only one required to make a statement? Like you, the BDS idiots object because he is a Jew.

"I support peace and compassion for all people," Matisyahu told Rolling Stone after the singer was removed from the Rototom lineup. "My music speaks for itself, and I do not insert politics into my music. Music has the power to transcend the intellect, ideas and politics, and it can unite people in the process. The festival kept insisting that I clarify my personal views, which felt like clear pressure to agree with the BDS political agenda. Honestly it was appalling and offensive, that as the one publicly Jewish-American artist scheduled for the festival, they were trying to coerce me into political statements."


Even the Spanish government which isn't exactly pro-Israel called out the hatred and intimidation of BDS in this case.

"Imposing a public declaration [from Matisyahu] puts into question the principles of non-discrimination on which all plural and diverse societies are based," Spanish foreign ministry officials said in a statement Tuesday, adding that Rototom's actions on behalf of the BDS movement were "anti-Semitic."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...tisyahu-back-after-govt-condemnation-20150819
 

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He is affiliated with Zionist groups. He was asked to state his support for a 2 state solution which is the official position of Israel itself. He declined. WHY WHY WHY??? Actions speak louder then words.
Affiliated? Unless you have a quote from him that guilt by association bullshit doesn't cut it. You are complaining that he is a Jew.
 
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