Blue Jays: 2015 edition

[Dawgger]

I wasn't necessarily arguing that AA is a good or bad GM, my point was in response to Kilgore Trout's comment that AA will be remembered and being a "psycho and destroyed the team by trading away all the top prospects for a bunch of old guys".

Having said that, AA got this job at the end of 2009. So basically 2010 was his real first year. I don't think 5 years is long enough to for most GM's. It takes time to build a winning organization. The blue jays started in 77, and didn't make the post season until 85. I like what he does. He refuses to get locked into long term ridiculous contracts that fucks up your team years down the road, and he's very creative with his trades. The is the guy that some how traded away the un-tradeable contract A.K.A, Vernon Wells.

bbl I will give you that AA has made some awesome trades. Dumping Wells salary was amazing, the Miami trade had the fans all excited, and the Mets trade was suppose to be the finishing touch on that.
Did not happen. This year signed Martin, awesome, traded for Donaldson, again awesome, traded Gose for Travis(who was to be the second baseman of the future and quickly became 'thee second baseman', the back up outfielder became 'theecenter fielder' filling glaring defensive holes from previous years. They broke camp without a closer. How many fans reporters baseball execs said they need a closer? Answer is a ton of them, but did he get one? No he had the team try to get by with Castro Cecil and Osuna. Had he got a half decent closer in April this team would either be with the Yanks or ahead.
IMO AA does somethings right he just doesn't get the job competed.
Look back every year he has made exciting moves but has left holes.

 

[shack]

Then you make your fat guy comment.

Actually Alex has shed a fair bit of poundage. Looking much better. And now he is smarter.

 

[gcostanza]

I was just thinking that.

That's 3 of us.

 

[dawk jimmy]

Pitching has been a sore point for the organization since AA took over. Pitchers that didn't pan out: Kyle Drabek, Brad Lincoln, Josh Johnson, Esmil Rogers, Steve Delabar. Then there's Dickey who has never come close to his CY Young form in New York. Ricky Romero once an all star now a has been. Aaron Loup an effective pitcher last year having a terrible season this year

 

[busterhut]

I agree that pitching is an issue to a degree, but I think their starting has been pretty solid over the past 6 weeks or so. Bullpen not so much, but Hawkins should help, and sometmes one good arm used properly changes the whole dynamic of the pen. I think they need to stop giving away runs, losing baserunners and they need to start doing the little things that make you win the one run games. This would help their pitchers. This is where I don't think Gibby gets it done. If you win by 6 then the manager probably didn't impact the game. If you win or lose by one run then there was probably something that could have been done at the manager level that would have possibly made a difference, either in that specific game or on an ongoing basis. I'm still unsure whether a manager should HAVE to teach major leaguers to play properly, or whether he CAN teach then once they've reached this level.

I'm not sure what their record is in one run games, but I bet there's lots of room to improve.

 

[eguapo]

Rogers Communications, is too cheap to go out and buy starting pitching. That is the biggest problem.

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There is absolutely no evidence of that. You have to differentiate between ownership and management

Beeston and Anthoupoulos have often publicly stated they will not do free agent contracts over 5 years. They have also publicly stated that ownership has not rejected any deals they have proposed. And Beeston has said he has not refused to take any of AA's proposals up the chain of command bar maybe one

Their 5 year rule will preclude them from the top free agent pitchers almost every year. This offseason do you think that Cueto and David Price and probably Samardja, Fister and Jordan Zimmerman are going to settle for 5 years or less? Other teams may have this policy but they don't put it out there continually for public consumption. Actually Shi Davidi (from the Jays PR department at Sportsnet) told me once the Red Sox are moving that way which would kind of validate the current Jay policy. They signed Rusney Castillo to a seven year deal later that month.

 

[black booty lover]

bbl I will give you that AA has made some awesome trades. Dumping Wells salary was amazing, the Miami trade had the fans all excited, and the Mets trade was suppose to be the finishing touch on that.
Did not happen. This year signed Martin, awesome, traded for Donaldson, again awesome, traded Gose for Travis(who was to be the second baseman of the future and quickly became 'thee second baseman', the back up outfielder became 'theecenter fielder' filling glaring defensive holes from previous years. They broke camp without a closer. How many fans reporters baseball execs said they need a closer? Answer is a ton of them, but did he get one? No he had the team try to get by with Castro Cecil and Osuna. Had he got a half decent closer in April this team would either be with the Yanks or ahead.
IMO AA does somethings right he just doesn't get the job competed.
Look back every year he has made exciting moves but has left holes.

I think what I'm trying to say is, I would give him two more years. No matter how good some of his trades and moves have been, if he doesn't get them to the post season in the next two years, there's not much I can do to defend him. The results will speak for themselves... but I would keep him for a couple more years.

 

[Nad Smith]

Jose Reyes singles in first Rockies ab....and then gets caught stealing

 

[SkyRider]

Trivia question. Heard this on the broadcast last night.

Only 4 MLB players have hit home runs as a teenager and as a 40 year. A-Rod is one. Ty Cobb is another. Who are the other 2?

 

[gcostanza]

Trivia question. Heard this on the broadcast last night.

Only 4 MLB players have hit home runs as a teenager and as a 40 year. A-Rod is one. Ty Cobb is another. Who are the other 2?

Rusty Staub & Gary Sheffield.

 

[dawk jimmy]

AA's contract is up after this year. Beeston is retiring so there will be a new president . Unless the team makes a major splash in the play-off I don,t think he will be retained

 

[Dawgger]

I think what I'm trying to say is, I would give him two more years. No matter how good some of trades and moves are, if doesn't get them in the post season in the next two years, there's not much I can do defend him. The results will speak for themselves... but I would keep him for a couple more years.

I don't know if I would give him 2 years, but after the Reyes trade I would probably be willing to see him make to at least spring training. I think the Tully acquisition positions them well for the future but if it looks like another year at .500 ta ta AA.
Food for thought..... If AA believes there will be no post season this year, would he, with Buehrle's consent, trade or sign and trade him to a team that he would be willing to go to and finish his career?

 

[eguapo]

. If AA believes there will be no post season this year, would he, with Buehrle's consent, trade or sign and trade him to a team that he would be willing to go to and finish his career?

Why does he need his consent? Buerle does not have a no trade clause. Just a big chunk of salary remaining.

 

[Dawgger]

Why does he need his consent? Buerle does not have a no trade clause. Just a big chunk of salary remaining.

courtesy to a veteran player no other reason

 

[mandrill]

Pros and cons of potential Jays pitching targets

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/pros-and-cons-of-potential-jays-pitching-targets/



The Toronto Blue Jays designated Felix Doubront for assignment in a move that creates roster space for newly acquired shortstop Troy Tulowitzki.

Doubront started for the Blue Jays Tuesday, lasting four-plus innings while allowing three earned runs on six hits and two walks. The left-hander’s season ERA climbed to 4.76 as the Blue Jays lost 3-2 to the Philadelphia Phillies.

“He started scattering a little bit, maybe he was overthrowing, I don’t know,” manager John Gibbons said. “That was the difference in the game.”

Since impressing in his first start with Toronto, Doubront has pitched five or fewer innings in three consecutive outings, reinforcing the need for a rotation upgrade in Toronto.

The Blue Jays don’t have a fifth starter for Sunday’s game against the Kansas City Royals. They could call up a starter such as Daniel Norris if they don’t complete a trade, but GM Alex Anthopoulos has said he’s working the phone lines in an attempt to bolster his pitching staff by Friday’s 4 p.m. ET trade deadline.

“I hope so is probably all I’d say, but I really can’t forecast the next three or four days,” Anthopoulos said.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-designate-felix-doubront-for-assignment/

 

[Toke]

Rusty Staub & Gary Sheffield.

I heard this too, but am unsure. I'll guess Willie Mays and Ken Griffey Jr. Oops. You had them right.

 

[Dartman]

I heard this too, I believe Roger Maris and Mickey Mantle were 2

 

[Perry Mason]

My guess is that Travis is going on the DL and The Motorcycle Guy is coming up... and the BJ's always seem to win more than their usual share when that Guy is around... :biggrin1:

Perry

 

[Butler1000]

Welcome to Toronto Tully!

Nice way to start your career here...

 

[shack]

Welcome to Toronto Tully!

Nice way to start your career here...

Did he tell Dave Feschuk to go screw himself?

Only thing better would be if he hit a homer.