I don't see how anyone can make that argument reasonably.
How did 'Jew hatred' stop negotiations, or stop agreements that were acceptable to both sides.
Explain specifically.
Are you accusing Abbas of 'Jew hatred'?
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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How did 'Jew hatred' stop negotiations, or stop agreements that were acceptable to both sides.
Explain specifically.
Are you accusing Abbas of 'Jew hatred'?
Holy fuck. Are you really saying that Hamas and Fatah's armed wing agreeing to PEACE is an impossible condition for peace? All this time I thought a Two State Peace meant the two sides agreed to be peaceful but you somehow don't think peace is a requirement for peace. You really are warped.Those were the dates fuji talked about, before he deleted his post in embarrassment.
I see you also have impossible conditions, yours being all Palestinians must renounce Hamas and violence?...
Do you know the meaning of the word "IF" or are you just to busy supporting a peace where the major Palestinians factions don't have to agree to peace?You are still mischaracterizing Obama's statements....
Are you saying that the White House supports continued Palestinian violence after a Palestinian state is created?You now admit that my claims and views are the same as the White House's....
Let's be clear that it is Netanyahu's belief, you don't have to agree with his belief, but you need to stop lying about what he believes.That's a personal verdict, not born out by reality.
The reason they went nowhere is that Hamas was never even at the table. Abbas couldn't agree to peace because he doesn't have the cards in his hand. He can talk, but he can't deliver.Talks were fine for the last twenty years, though they went nowhere, nothing has drastically changed in the situation from before the election to after the election.
So long as Hamas isn't part of the conversation the peace talks are an irrelevant sideshow. The only talks that have ever really mattered are the indirect talks between Hamas and Israel. Those produce actual ceasefires.
As yet Hamas hasn't even been interested in discussing peace at all.
The Palestinians were offered an independent state with terms that were considered to be better than they could hope for -- particularly the offers that were made to Arafat. Arafat walked away from the table. Abbas rejected Israel's offer to walk away from 93 per cent of the West Bank because he said it wasn't enough.How did 'Jew hatred' stop negotiations, or stop agreements that were acceptable to both sides.
Explain specifically.
The real issue was inescapable: The terms that were put to the Palestinians included recognition of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. The Palestinian leaders couldn't accept that.
I don't know about his personal beliefs but he certainly panders to the Jew hatred that is prevalent among the Palestinians.Are you accusing Abbas of 'Jew hatred'?
I didn't say otherwise.Let's be clear that it is Netanyahu's belief, you don't have to agree with his belief, but you need to stop lying about what he believes.
But now that you've confirmed it, lets say it and put it all together.
Netanyahu's personal beliefs are that Palestinians are too violent or full of hatred as you and basketcase claim) and as a result of those beliefs has promised to never allow a Palestinian state to be created while he is PM.
That is accurate to your claims, isn't it?
Yes, unlike you, Netanyahu thinks that peace means an end to violence.I didn't say otherwise.
But now that you've confirmed it, lets say it and put it all together.
Netanyahu's personal beliefs are that Palestinians are too violent or full of hatred as you and basketcase claim) and as a result of those beliefs has promised to never allow a Palestinian state to be created while he is PM.
That is accurate to your claims, isn't it?
(though I'd say Palestinian leadership are filled with hate, not all the people)
You and Netanyahu want an end to resistance before they will even negotiate for peace?Yes, unlike you, Netanyahu thinks that peace means an end to violence.
Does that include peaceful resistance, like protests, the BDS movement and moves towards international law?
Do you believe those have to end before negotiations can start?
No that is another one of your lying misrepresentations, that is the SECOND time you have tried to replace "Hamas" with "Palestinians" in a dishonest attempt to misrepresent what others have said.Netanyahu's personal beliefs are that Palestinians are too violent or full of hatred as you and basketcase claim) and as a result of those beliefs has promised to never allow a Palestinian state to be created while he is PM.
That is accurate to your claims, isn't it?
This would be accurate:
"Netanyahu's personal beliefs are that Hamas are too violent or full of hatred and as a result of those beliefs has promised to never allow a Palestinian state to be created while he is PM."
(Based also on the belief that Hamas isn't going away during the next few years while Netanyahu is in power.)
So then this is correct:"Netanyahu's personal beliefs are that Hamas are too violent or full of hatred and as a result of those beliefs has promised to never allow a Palestinian state to be created while he is PM."
Netanyahu has promised not to allow a Palestinians state to be created because of his personal beliefs.
We have now confirmed that Netanyahu has stopped the peace process because of his beliefs and that he has promised to not allow a two state solution to come to pass as long as he is PM, according to fuji.
Now that's done its really time for you to apologize for accusing me of lying.
That statement is false because you have again left off that this is based on conditions, you are again trying to make it sounds like he is against a Palestinian state, which is a lie.Netanyahu has promised not to allow a Palestinians state to be created because of his personal beliefs.
The non lying statement would be:
"Netanyahu has promised not to allow a Palestinians state to be created until certain conditions are met because of his personal beliefs."
And those personal beliefs are reasonable: he does not believe Israelis should be killed by Palestinians.
What peace process?We have now confirmed that Netanyahu has stopped the peace process because of his beliefs and that he has promised to not allow a two state solution to come to pass as long as he is PM, according to fuji.
I must say, I find it interesting that you characterize Netanyahu's opposition to the slaughter of Jews as his "personal beliefs."
My statement is correct, you can call his beliefs whatever you like, as long as they are labelled Netanyahu's personal belief.The non lying statement would be:
"Netanyahu has promised not to allow a Palestinians state to be created until certain conditions are met because of his personal beliefs."
Call them religious beliefs, beliefs of his political party, fear of another race, hatred or paranoia, you can call them whatever you like.
Both show that Netanyahu is the one holding up the peace process, just as his claim that Abbas needs to call Israel the 'Jewish state' or something like that as one of his 'personal beliefs'.
The important thing is that you've shown that my claims are all correct.
You have shown that I have not lied about anything, in fact only you have been presenting false information here.
You need to apologize.
So you think that Netanyahu is "holding up the peace process" because of his "personal belief" that Israeli Jews should not be killed by Palestinian militias?Both show that Netanyahu is the one holding up the peace process,
Wow.
You are screwed up.
This is what you said:So you think that Netanyahu is "holding up the peace process" because of his "personal belief" that Israeli Jews should not be killed by Palestinian militias?
Wow.
You are screwed up.
And"Netanyahu has promised not to allow a Palestinians state to be created until certain conditions are met because of his personal beliefs."
Netanyahu was elected on a promise not to establish a Palestinian state while he was in office.
It is indeed impossible to create a Palestinian state anytime soon.
So far, all we've established are the existence of yours and Netanyahu's beliefs and the effect they are having on the two state solution.20 or 30 years seems to me like a good estimate for how long it might take
Personally, I don't believe your claims.
And what was it you were accusing me of lying about again?
Seems to me that it was less then you have admitted already.
So far we have established that you think asking Hamas to disarm and recognize Israel as a Jewish state is "unreasonable and impossible", and you think Netanyahu is "holding up the peace process" because he holds a "personal belief" that Jews should not be slaughtered.
No, you are wrong.So far we have established that you think asking Hamas to disarm and recognize Israel as a Jewish state is "unreasonable and impossible", and you think Netanyahu is "holding up the peace process" because he holds a "personal belief" that Jews should not be slaughtered.
I believe that asking for only one side, or Hamas to disarm as a precondition to negotiations is unreasonable and impossible.
Just as your insistence that only one side disarm and stop violence shows you to are not for peace but for total capitulation or subjugation of an entire people.
As for Netanyahu, I'm not the one making claims about his personal beliefs, those are your claims, I really don't know what he believes. I have only stated your claim that it is his personal beliefs, whatever they are, that lead to his electoral promise to not allow the two state solution to come to be while he is PM.
Those are your claims, claims that you think shows Netanyahu supports the two state solution.
You are an idiot.
And you owe me an apology.
In this case Hamas are terrorists dedicated to ethnic cleansing, and peace is simply NOT POSSIBLE while such people are armed.I believe that asking for only one side, or Hamas to disarm as a precondition to negotiations is unreasonable and impossible.
I don't share your beliefs about the possibilities of peace, but do agree it is now very, very unlikely the two state solution will ever happen.In this case Hamas are terrorists dedicated to ethnic cleansing, and peace is simply NOT POSSIBLE while such people are armed.
I'm still waiting.
You've been shown wrong on all of your accusations.
You owe me an apology.
