It's pretty amazing how often you support Palestinian actions despite not caring what they want. If we're talking into forcing the Palestinians hands, I would start by forcing them to have an election. But that would be democratic and we know you don't give a damn about that if it conflicts with your biases.
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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I didn't realize every Palestinian felt this way.. I do like the idea, though, this new idea that the best way to deal with a race is to paint every member with the same brush.. There are Palestinians out there who wish to kill all the Jews, so all the Palestinians must suffer.. The Palestinians who are "good" should know better and "reign in" the bad ones.. Just like how all blacks are guilty of the crimes of some other blacks, and until the good learn to control the bad, they must all suffer.So long as the Palestinian goal is to ethnically cleanse all the Jews, Likud is right not to make peace.
They had an election remember? lol. If you support democracy, do you support their right to have Hamas as a govt? So lets be clear, you support the right of the Palis to chose govt sworn to destroy Israel? In essence you support Hamas's legitimate right to rule?It's pretty amazing how often you support Palestinian actions despite not caring what they want. If we're talking into forcing the Palestinians hands, I would start by forcing them to have an election. But that would be democratic and we know you don't give a damn about that if it conflicts with your biases.
I know that you are huge supporter of democracy. Why don't you remind everyone when the last election was held in the WB and G.They had an election remember? lol. If you support democracy, do you support their right to have Hamas as a govt? So lets be clear, you support the right of the Palis to chose govt sworn to destroy Israel?
Obviously not everyone does and most likely just want to get on with their lives. Unfortunately their leadership is pretty open about their views. Hamas freely vows to destroy Israel and remove the Jewish presence. Fatah's political arm talks more moderately but they still praise terrorists in their media and their armed wing openly wants Israel's destruction.I didn't realize every Palestinian felt this way.. ....
Whether the lack of political support for peace is a result of authoritarian leadership refusing to brook dissent or whether there really isn't much grassroots support, the result is Palestinian leadership that do not accept what much of the world sees as a reasonable lasting peace.
And the terms of office elapsed six and seven years ago. Also pretty laughable that you say Hamas was put there by Israel then say the Palestinians voted them in.They had an election remember?...
If the Palestinians want to vote in Hamas that is their choice. They just have to live with the repercussions of electing a party sworn to war and destruction.
Most Palestinians only want a better life for themselves and their children and would like nothing more than to live in peace with the Israelis. Unfortunately they are not the ones who control the rockets and missels and fighters. The stated goal of Hamas is well know.I didn't realize every Palestinian felt this way.. I do like the idea, though, this new idea that the best way to deal with a race is to paint every member with the same brush.. There are Palestinians out there who wish to kill all the Jews, so all the Palestinians must suffer.. The Palestinians who are "good" should know better and "reign in" the bad ones.. Just like how all blacks are guilty of the crimes of some other blacks, and until the good learn to control the bad, they must all suffer.
2006 I believe, but why do you think it would be any different now. The Palis are not really a state let alone a failed state. So to think "democracy" can save the situation in its current state is idiotic. Also a proper vision of peace must be articulated with all the potential benefits.I know that you are huge supporter of democracy. Why don't you remind everyone when the last election was held in the WB and G.
HMMM. So Hamas was elected democratically but you don't think the Palestinians are democratic or that democracy is wasted or doesn't work in the WB and G. I would recommend Lewis Carol to you if you want some reading material.2006 I believe, but why do you think it would be any different now. The Palis are not really a state let alone a failed state. So to think "democracy" can save the situation in its current state is idiotic. Also a proper vision of peace must be articulated with all the potential benefits.
This isn't about how incompetent, corrupt or unable to negotiate the the occupied people are, this is about a fundamental change in Israeli policy - and perhaps US policy (which should tighten the Sphincter muscle of our Zionists). That the Palis are incompetent and Bibi will continue to steal land is t really new news.
I don't think democracy is good for all situations. They can be democratic in the future but the situation needs to be stabilized first like how Japan and Korea when tough transitory stages with pseudo democracies under firm guidance. Perhaps with their constitution being written with some external assistance.HMMM. So Hamas was elected democratically but you don't think the Palestinians are democratic or that democracy is wasted or doesn't work in the WB and G. I would recommend Lewis Carol to you if you want some reading material.
An election does not mean a state is democratic. When was Abbas elected? When will they have another election? Same goes for Gaza. Supreme Court, legislative assembly that passes laws, independent judiciary, free press? We can go on.... None of these things were even attempted by the Palestinians. If it was not for Israel as their enemy, they'd be running around and killing each other like the rest of the Arabs. Let us be honest, for a change. Palestinians took no steps to build a country and, frankly, such people don't deserve one.I don't think democracy is good for all situations. They can be democratic in the future but the situation needs to be stabilized first like how Japan and Korea when tough transitory stages with pseudo democracies under firm guidance. Perhaps with their constitution being written with some external assistance.
Obama is an anti-semite. I'm convinced of this nowThe poisonous relationship between the Obama Administration and the Government of Israel certainly hasn't helped matters
That has been the explicit Palestinian goal since the 47 war. It is not something recent, Hamas is just the latest standard bearer.That is Hamas goal, Israel put them there to be a boogie man. Israel has not offered any vision of what peace may look like either. Hamas may talk ethnic cleansing, Israel is doing it.
Oh grow up. The context of "the Palestinians" is clear and does not mean the race, I am clearly talking about the people in a position to make peace, the ones with the guns and the armed forces, i.e., Hamas and the PLO.I didn't realize every Palestinian felt this way.. I do like the idea, though, this new idea that the best way to deal with a race is to paint every member with the same brush.. There are Palestinians out there who wish to kill all the Jews, so all the Palestinians must suffer.. The Palestinians who are "good" should know better and "reign in" the bad ones.. Just like how all blacks are guilty of the crimes of some other blacks, and until the good learn to control the bad, they must all suffer.
When someone says "the Germans started the war" they do not mean the race nor do they mean every single German citizen, nor even a majority, they clearly mean the government. Same here, and you know it. Stop being an ass.
Trying to sideline a debate by rat holing into pedantry based on intentional misreading is a childish way of avoiding the substantive point.
The clear and irrefutable point is that it is not meaningful to ask Israel to make peace with organizations that have ethnic cleansing of Jews as their goal. It makes more sense to remain at war with such groups, until such time as they express a willingness to coexist, which they have not and which they have insisted they will not ever do.
The Palis are not incompetent. Hamas has a very competent grip on Gaza. Rather, their goals are incompatible with peace.This isn't about how incompetent, corrupt or unable to negotiate the the occupied people are, this is about a fundamental change in Israeli policy - and perhaps US policy (which should tighten the Sphincter muscle of our Zionists). That the Palis are incompetent and Bibi will continue to steal land is t really new news.
They didn't fail to negotiate peace because they are incompetent, but rather because they flat out don't want peace. Hamas have said so, out loud, repeatedly. You should believe them.
Or is BIBI a member of the KKK?Obama is an anti-semite. I'm convinced of this now
Hamas competent? HAHAHAHHAA first you call them terrorists, criminals etc , now they are competent? Man, you and Frack keep changing your opinions based on justifying whatever Israel does...or to try and prevent any progress. But you are right about their goals being incompatible with peace, and that is why some factions in Israel helped put them there.The Palis are not incompetent. Hamas has a very competent grip on Gaza. Rather, their goals are incompatible with peace.
They didn't fail to negotiate peace because they are incompetent, but rather because they flat out don't want peace. Hamas have said so, out loud, repeatedly. You should believe them.
I know Hamas is the excuse to steal land with radical settlers and ethnicly cleans East Jureselum (both NOT IN GAZA).The Palis are not incompetent. Hamas has a very competent grip on Gaza. Rather, their goals are incompatible with peace.
They didn't fail to negotiate peace because they are incompetent, but rather because they flat out don't want peace. Hamas have said so, out loud, repeatedly. You should believe them.
