How will John Tory impose scrutiny on the number of officers making Sunshine list.

[destillat]

Who else, in your mind, Rob Ford is responsible "so many union Sunshiners"?

So let me get this straight, moron.
Right after Rob Ford got tough on unions and allegedly limited the raise given to the TPS, half of police officers are now on the sunshine list... but you are asking what Tory will do to curtail that?
Fuck you are an idiot... but you DID get one thing right... this is just one more mess that Fatty left behind that now has to be cleaned up by a real Mayor.

 

[boodog]

Police should not be permitted to take paid duty assignments.

Paid duty covers two things generally:

1) Security at events -- there is really no reason why private security can't handle this. We even have armed private security in Canada.

2) Traffic duty at road construction, etc. -- we could deputize people to do this, give them the power to direct traffic, but not arrest, and allow private firms to hire them out. Parking enforcement could do it alternately.

If police want to work overtime there's lots of casework in Toronto that could use some additional police attention -- how many times do we hear people complain that the police don't have the resources to investigate burglaries, broken-into cars, purse snatches, cellphone theft, etc., the police say they don't have the resources. Well, they do have the resources -- working paid duty. Wrong priority!

I disagree.

As long as the "paid duty" is paid by the private enterprises nothing wrong with higher frequency of appearance of "uniformed police".

The administrative fee also generates auxiliary income for the force which helps, yes a very small amount comparing with its annual budget, the general taxpayers on their tax bills.

 

[oldjones]

They shouldn't be allowed to do paid duty at all. It creates a potential conflict of interest.

BINGO!! If the City's interest requires the attendance of cops for some private event or purpose, then the TPS should assign them as a normal part of their on-duty day. TPS can then bill out the recorded salary and other costs, and even add a security-industry comparable service fee. But they'd have to actually manage their manpower. Non-required security would and should be by private contract.

The current set-up is operated in the financial interests of the individual cops using their official monopoly and their off-duty but still in 'unofficial' overtime status to extort high rates with minimal official oversight or control. No one is held responsible, and the Chief and Board face all but open armed revolt if they even hint this cash cow's on its way to slaughter.

How anyone imagines a Mayor can realistically 'control' the voluntary hours someone signs up for, works and is paid for by private enterprise—all of which boo approves—is beyond me. But it certainly evokes all the evils of mercenaries enriching themselves rather than serving the public interest. When the cops and their supervising sergeant make more hanging around film set coffee trucks than doing their jobs, whose orders do you imagine they jump to?

'Whatever the wallet say's.

 

[boodog]

So let me get this straight, moron.
Right after Rob Ford got tough on unions and allegedly limited the raise given to the TPS, half of police officers are now on the sunshine list... but you are asking what Tory will do to curtail that?
Fuck you are an idiot... but you DID get one thing right... this is just one more mess that Fatty left behind that now has to be cleaned up by a real Mayor.

I did not ask "what Tory will do to curtail that".

Phony John Tory himself claims "additional scrutiny" is in order to review the increase of numbers of officers on the sunshine list. The police service board, under his watch, instructs the police chief to report back on the "situation".

The topic of my thread is "How will John Tory impose scrutiny on the number of officers making Sunshine list". Is it another John Tory's political pandering?

 

[destillat]

Here is another question...
I have never seen a paid-duty officer show up to his post in his private vehicle... it is always a police vehicle.
Who foots the bill for the city equipment an officer uses while on a paid-duty shift?

 

[destillat]

I did not ask "what Tory will do to curtail that".

Phony John Tory himself claims "additional scrutiny" is in order to review the increase of numbers of officers on the sunshine list. The police service board, under his watch, instructs the police chief to report back on the "situation".

The topic of my thread is "How will John Tory impose scrutiny on the number of officers making Sunshine list". Is it another John Tory's political pandering?

How about, it's John Tory doing his due diligence as a high-performing Mayor of a world-class city.
Just because your lover Fatty was too drunk to think about questioning paid-duty policies doesn't mean that Tory is pandering because he brought up a very good (albeit controversial) issue.
You are still pouting that your BFF lost... it will get easier with time... it's a nice day out, maybe you should leave your mom's basement and get some fresh air and sunshine.

 

[fuji]

Without Rob Ford mayoral leadership and the vocal opposition of Michael Thompson (sp?) and other fiscal conservative council representatives on the Police board (since we are on the thread topic reagarding the police officers' income) reeling back in the potential big raise, would have been given by mediators after the huge raise was given to OPP, the Toronto Police would have even a bigger raise.

Seriously, stop smoking crack, Ford gave the unions, all of them, everything they asked for in every negotiation. They didn't go on strike because he was tough, they didn't go on strike because he paid them off. He was a total phony, talking tough to the cameras but playing Santa Claus at union negotiations.

TTC? You are joking, right? Under the fiscal responsible leadership of Rob Ford TTC was designated as "Essential Service" and the union got their right to strike removed.

Translation: Ford gave them the juiciest contact they have ever had and then locked it in as an essential service so no future mayor can ever roll it back.

Jobs for life. Exorbitantly paid jobs for life. The union laughed all the way to the bank.

 

[boodog]

How boo imagines any Mayor can realistically 'control' the voluntary hours someone signs up for, works and is paid for by private enterprise is another of the many irrational fantasies and delusions the name Tory apparently provokes in him.

I normally ignore your posts. But a response is needed on this post.

Phony John Tory himself claims "additional scrutiny" is in order to review the increase of numbers of officers on the sunshine list. The police service board, under his watch, instructs the police chief, who will retire in less than a month, to report back on the "situation".

I am 100% with you "How a mayor can realistically 'control' the voluntary hours someone signs up for, works and is paid for by private enterprise."

I am also 100% with you this political pandering of John Tory "is another of the many irrational fantasies and delusions".

 

[destillat]

I am also 100% with you this political pandering of John Tory "is another of the many irrational fantasies and delusions".

Please explain why this is 'political pandering'.

 

[fuji]

Boodog, you know that they got on the sunshine list while Ford was mayor, right? That this is for the year ending 31 Dec 2014?

 

[boodog]

Seriously, stop smoking crack, Ford gave the unions, all of them, everything they asked for in every negotiation. They didn't go on strike because he was tough, they didn't go on strike because he paid them off. He was a total phony, talking tough to the cameras but playing Santa Claus at union negotiations.

Can you be kind enough to provide me a link?

Translation: Ford gave them the juiciest contact they have ever had and then locked it in as an essential service so no future mayor can ever roll it back.

Jobs for life. Exorbitantly paid jobs for life. The union laughed all the way to the bank.

"Jobs for life" as a trade-off for "Right to Strike".

Amazing mayoral decision to avoid constitution court challenge from the union.

What's wrong with that?

Shall I refresh your memory? Under the fiscal responsible leadership of Rob Ford TTC was designated as "Essential Service" and the union got their right to strike removed. And again under the leadership of Rob Ford TTC management went against the union and contracted out the bus cleaning lowering the hourly rate from $26 to $18.

 

[boodog]

Boodog, you know that they got on the sunshine list while Ford was mayor, right? That this is for the year ending 31 Dec 2014?

Yes I do. I do know the list ended on Dec 31 2014 under Rob Ford' watch and hence the political pandering by Phony John Tory.

And I really don't see any thing wrong with the sunshine list numbers.

I agrees with OldJones "How a mayor can realistically 'control' the voluntary hours someone signs up for, works and is paid for by private enterprise."

I am also 100% with him this political pandering of John Tory "is another of the many irrational fantasies and delusions".

 

[destillat]

"Jobs for life" as a trade-off for "Right to Strike".

What's wrong with that?

Why am I not surprised that someone as stupid as you thinks that a "jobs for life" policy is a good thing.
Fuck, just when I think you can't get any stupider, you go and prove me wrong again.

 

[destillat]

I am also 100% with him this political pandering of John Tory "is another of the many irrational fantasies and delusions".

Why are you ignoring my question? How is this political pandering?

 

[boodog]

Why am I not surprised that someone as stupid as you thinks that a "jobs for life" policy is a good thing.
Fuck, just when I think you can't get any stupider, you go and prove me wrong again.

Here is a better and more completed quote:-

"Jobs for life" as a trade-off for "Right to Strike".

Amazing mayoral decision to avoid constitution court challenge from the union.

What's wrong with that?

Shall I refresh your memory? Under the fiscal responsible leadership of Rob Ford TTC was designated as "Essential Service" and the union got their right to strike removed. And again under the leadership of Rob Ford TTC management went against the union and contracted out the bus cleaning lowering the hourly rate from $26 to $18.

 

[boodog]

Why are you ignoring my question? How is this political pandering?

Why I ignore you and your question?

You don't need help on that.

Why is this not a political pandering?

 

[destillat]

Why I ignore you and your question?

You don't need help on that.

Why is this not a political pandering?

Fuck you're stupid.
You make an accusation... it is your onus to prove it, not mine to disprove... you fucking moron.
No wonder no one takes you seriously here... does your mommy still pay for your internet connection, or does she make you do chores around the house to earn it?

 

[Butler1000]

Yes I do. I do know the list ended on Dec 31 2014 under Rob Ford' watch and hence the political pandering by Phony John Tory.

And I really don't see any thing wrong with the sunshine list numbers.

I agrees with OldJones "How a mayor can realistically 'control' the voluntary hours someone signs up for, works and is paid for by private enterprise."

I am also 100% with him this political pandering of John Tory "is another of the many irrational fantasies and delusions".

They can control it by bring in a policy limiting the the amount of OT an officer can do. Looking at the list that way will stop the constable who earned $244,000. That should not be allowed for the simple reason their ability to function has to be impaired working that much. I have no issues with someone picking up extra cash but I think 10 hours per week is a reasonable limit.

 

[boodog]

They can control it by bring in a policy limiting the the amount of OT an officer can do. Looking at the list that way will stop the constable who earned $244,000. That should not be allowed for the simple reason their ability to function has to be impaired working that much. I have no issues with someone picking up extra cash but I think 10 hours per week is a reasonable limit.

Okay I can agree with that.

Not an easy thing to do for Police Service Board under John Tory who knows he owes his mayoral job to the Toronto Police.

But I can agree with it in principle.

 

[fuji]

Here is a better and more completed quote:-

Declaring the TTC an essential service was disastrously stupid. It locks in the current exorbitant contact without rolling back any of the cost. No future mayor can fix it. Nobody can lock out the TTC workers until they sign a less costly deal. Nobody can remove the union. They are locked in.