Israel carries a great deal of responsibility for Hamas controlling Gaza, yes. Israels actions also generate a great deal of hatred yes. But the converse is also true. Hamas with its goal of spreading terror, gets dickheads like Netanyahu elected, and so the cycle of hate and violence is self perpetuating. The only way it ends is if an extraordinary leader emerges like Rabin, and isn't murdered. OR is there is a watershed event of such massive violence, it shocks all stakeholders to their very core and forces change. That is really all there is to look forward to in this shit show.
More Israeli douchbaggery....
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Hmm lets see, Hamas allegedly kidnaps and kills 3 students, Israel proceeds to pulverize Gaza killing 2000 people 1300 who the UN says were innocent civilians and injuring 10,000 others causing BILLIONS in property damage. So now, WHO do you say is being disproportionate here? :wink: And based on your response, some Israeli thugs kidnapped an arab kid, tortured him and burned him alive...now what do you think would be an appropriate response from the Palis for that?And every time you say things bad about Hamas you then blame Israel for allowing them to be elected and spend the next 50 posts criticizing Israel for things that would be the most moral actions Hamas ever took.
Certain things about Israel deserve criticism but that doesn't let Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or Fatah off the hook for their immorality and glorification of attacks on civilians. It's equivalent of saying a driver deserved to be beat to death because a guy with the same type of car cut you off.
If it was justified I would have called it justifiable homicide. It is possible the guy went insane after he got out of prison and saw what Israel did in Gaza, but since he was killed in the attack we will never know for sure. If Israel is engaged in killing a lot of Arabs, and it has 1.8M arab citizens, it can pretty much expect some trouble don't you think? Am I broken up about it? No I said already, I don't give a fuck.You said it was murder but was justified. You have said the same thing about every Palestinian attack on Jewish civilians. Every time a Jew is killed you say they should expect to be targeted and the murder is to be expected because Palestinians are angry.
Your proclaimed morals are distinctly one sided and if you justified Israeli actions the way you do Palestinian ones, you would be supporting the complete destruction of the Palestinian people (and that is exactly the goals of Hamas when applied to Jews).
Are you stupid?So... wheres your source to support your claim that hamas" use children as bullet proof vest"?
Clearly your just a troll. Without any evidence whatsoever to support your claim. Youre just another stupid hateful hasbara trollAre you stupid?
I am a troll because I don't feel like providing well-documented evidence of FACT? Use the search function idiot.Clearly your just a troll. Without any evidence whatsoever to support your claim. Youre just another stupid hateful hasbara troll
Next you'll be asking me to prove to you that gravity exists or that the earth is round.
Every rational adult accepts the FACT that Hamas uses human shields. End of story. Case closed.
Either you are too stupid to grasp that concept, or YOU are the troll.
You mean other than using a hospital as their military HQ? You mean other than firing rockets from the yard of a church full of shelter seekers? You mean other than hiding weapons in mosques and schools (and yes, one of the schools wasn't in use but was a few meters across a playground from one that was)? You mean other than building military infrastructure under what was labeled as a medical clinic? You mean other than firing rockets from outside a hotel full of reporters?So... wheres your source to support your claim that hamas" use children as bullet proof vest"?
Check google maps. Gaza has plenty of land away from civilians that Hamas etc could use but instead they use densely populated areas and what should be purely civilian establishments.
Typical. Israel is to blame. Israel is to blame.Israel carries a great deal of responsibility for Hamas controlling Gaza, yes. Israels actions also generate a great deal of hatred yes. But the converse is also true. Hamas with its goal of spreading terror, gets dickheads like Netanyahu elected, and so the cycle of hate and violence is self perpetuating. The only way it ends is if an extraordinary leader emerges like Rabin, and isn't murdered. OR is there is a watershed event of such massive violence, it shocks all stakeholders to their very core and forces change. That is really all there is to look forward to in this shit show.
Fact is the Palestinian people elected Hamas to the Legislative branch of their government (though their mandate expired years ago). Is Israel to blame for allowing Palestinians to vote?
Hamas is openly and overtly clear that the only peace they will accept involves destroying Israel and ejecting all Jews (in some cases they say that weren't the by WWI). That leader you speak of needs to be someone who takes Hamas and Fatah away from promoting violence and turns them into purely peaceful political organizations.
Meanwhile, you might read up on the Israeli elections to see how Israelis feel. One of the fast rising stars in this election is a former Likud minister who is openly talking about giving up land for a real peace.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/rising-star-kahlon-says-he-would-give-land-for-peace/
HMM. Lets see. Notty has no clue about historical events even if they are only a few months old. That flare up was not about kidnapped kids but continual rocket fire. After the kidnapping rocket fire spiked. Israel hit one of the launching teams that included a Hamas guy then Hamas chose to launch their own rockets.Hmm lets see, ...
June - 66 rockets fired from Gaza
Start of July - 250 rockets fired from Gaza
July 7 - 80 rockets fired from Gaza (claimed by Hamas)
July 7 - Israeli cabinet decided on counter terror operation.
(p.s. July 14 - Hamas refused the first PA brokered ceasefire - before 1000 more needless deaths)
The only connection with the kidnapping is Palestinian parties were using the Israeli search for the perpetrators (why wasn't the PA searching?) as an excuse to fire more rockets at civilian targets.
You are absolutely an immoral piece of trash if you call guys butchering random old men justifiable.If it was justified I would have called it justifiable homicide. ...
At least you are becoming more open about it as you openly say you "don't give a fuck" about Jewish deaths but post endlessly about Palestinian deaths and even started this thread complaining about loss of residency.
HMM. Lets see. Notty has no clue about historical events even if they are only a few months old. That flare up was not about kidnapped kids but continual rocket fire. After the kidnapping rocket fire spiked. Israel hit one of the launching teams that included a Hamas guy then Hamas chose to launch their own rockets.
June - 66 rockets fired from Gaza
Start of July - 250 rockets fired from Gaza
July 7 - 80 rockets fired from Gaza (claimed by Hamas)
July 7 - Israeli cabinet decided on counter terror operation.
(p.s. July 14 - Hamas refused the first PA brokered ceasefire - before 1000 more needless deaths)
The only connection with the kidnapping is Palestinian parties were using the Israeli search for the perpetrators (why wasn't the PA searching?) as an excuse to fire more rockets at civilian targets.
Oh that is such rubbish....look at the wiki on the whole incident and see how the cycle of violence escalated,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagers
you try and divide incidents into nice little pieces. The rocket fire increased in response to the massive collective punishment Israel inflicted on Palestinians... so now we wait for the Pali response to the last escalation from Israel, as sure as the rising of the sun, it will come.....
You and exceed like posting links but what in that link says that Israel attacked because of the kidnapped and murdered kids?Oh that is such rubbish....look at the wiki on the whole incident...e.....
Seems Palestinian factions using the search as an excuse was the cause of the war. If you are really suggesting that Israel shouldn't have searched for the missing kids, you really are off you nut.
If it was justified I would have called it justifiable homicide. It is possible the guy went insane after he got out of prison and saw what Israel did in Gaza, but since he was killed in the attack we will never know for sure. If Israel is engaged in killing a lot of Arabs, and it has 1.8M arab citizens, it can pretty much expect some trouble don't you think? Am I broken up about it? No I said already, I don't give a fuck.
You said it was murder but was justified. You have said the same thing about every Palestinian attack on Jewish civilians. Every time a Jew is killed you say they should expect to be targeted and the murder is to be expected because Palestinians are angry.
Your proclaimed morals are distinctly one sided and if you justified Israeli actions the way you do Palestinian ones, you would be supporting the complete destruction of the Palestinian people (and that is exactly the goals of Hamas when applied to Jews).
When did I justify it? I said it was a murder.
p.s. here's the whole discussion (in reverse order). Random Jews killed because they are Jews. You pretend to call it murder and then change your mind and call it justifiable homicide. Absolutely disgusting.Strange that you have no problem justifying murder of some old dudes praying though.
(and your posting history shows you couldn't care less about Arabs either - in one thread you even called them animals)
Yup.Every rational adult accepts the FACT that Hamas uses human shields. End of story. Case closed.
http://www.thestate.com/2014/09/12/3676210_evidence-growing-that-hamas-used.html?rh=1
Even the Carter Center acknowledged that it had occurred (although the Carter Center spokesman questioned whether it was widespread).
FACTS? You mean some bullshit propaganda netanyahu establish and acknowledge by a hasbara troll like you as facts?I am a troll because I don't feel like providing well-documented evidence of FACT? Use the search function idiot.
Next you'll be asking me to prove to you that gravity exists or that the earth is round.
Every rational adult accepts the FACT that Hamas uses human shields. End of story. Case closed.
Either you are too stupid to grasp that concept, or YOU are the troll.
Even Hamas now admits “mistakes” were made.
But Hamas says it had little choice in Gaza’s crowded urban landscape, took safeguards to keep people away from the fighting, a
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/09/12/3676210_evidence-growing-that-hamas-used.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
But Hamas says it had little choice in Gaza’s crowded urban landscape, took safeguards to keep people away from the fighting, a
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/09/12/3676210_evidence-growing-that-hamas-used.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
You and exceed like posting links but what in that link says that Israel attacked because of the kidnapped and murdered kids?
Seems Palestinian factions using the search as an excuse was the cause of the war. If you are really suggesting that Israel shouldn't have searched for the missing kids, you really are off you nut.
What country imposes a curfew on hundreds of thousands of people over a crime? The heavy handed approach they took probably eliminated any chance those kids would be found alive. Israel wanted to provoke a response, just like they did in Lebanon, starting a war over the death of 1 soldier and 1 kidnapping. After hundreds of deaths including dozens of Israeli soldiers the net effect was NOTHING. Same here, nothing was accomplished.
In fact, Hamas encouraged civilians -- including children -- to put themselves in harm's way.But Hamas says it had little choice in Gaza’s crowded urban landscape, took safeguards to keep people away from the fighting.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/israel-warns-gaza-of-future-air-strikes/article19582831/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...-on-defiant-hamas-as-conflict-enters-3rd-day/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mue96rYTY7M
So what Israel intentionally settles citizens in areas that are at risk on disputed ground contrary to international agreements in the hopes of having Jerusalem as it's capital some day.In fact, Hamas encouraged civilians -- including children -- to put themselves in harm's way.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/israel-warns-gaza-of-future-air-strikes/article19582831/
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...-on-defiant-hamas-as-conflict-enters-3rd-day/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mue96rYTY7M
