More Israeli douchbaggery....

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So what Israel intentionally settles citizens in areas that are at risk on disputed ground contrary to international agreements in the hopes of having Jerusalem as it's capital some day.
Nice attempt at a deflection.

The fact remains that Hamas encourages the use of human shields, including the use of children as human shields. You no longer have grounds to post that you "don't believe it" (post #198).

And despite your failed attempts to shift the blame for the resulting casualties, the reality is that it is Hamas that is guilty of immoral behaviour and war crimes.
 

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Even Hamas now admits “mistakes” were made.

But Hamas says it had little choice in Gaza’s crowded urban landscape, took safeguards to keep people away from the fighting, a


Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2014/09/12/3676210_evidence-growing-that-hamas-used.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
Bullshit.

Here's google's satellite image of Gaza. Unless google is part of some zionist world conspiracy, there seems plenty of open space.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@31.4103564,34.4002066,56473m/data=!3m1!1e3

Instead of using it though, the fired rockets from behind hospitals (which was also their military HQ), from the yard of a church filled with people seeking shelter, stored weapons in a school building across a playground from another school building filled with people seeking shelter, built tunnels and stored weapons in a building labeled as a medical clinic, etc.
 

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What country....
So now you are saying that hundreds or rockets from Gaza fired at civilian centers is acceptable because Israel was searching for criminals that the Palestinians refused to search for.

And what country tells people to destroy security tapes so thatkidnappers don't get caught?
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.ca/2014/06/no-it-wasnt-activists-who-told.html

Your opinions are not surprising from a guy who said the butchering of some old men praying is justifiable homicide.
 

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So what Israel intentionally settles citizens in areas that are at risk on disputed ground contrary to international agreements in the hopes of having Jerusalem as it's capital some day.
1) Israel does not hide their attacks behind the settlers.

2) Settlers don't make effective human shields because (as you have repeatedly justified) Palestinians terrorist intentionally go after any Jews, military or not.
 

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Hamas did say to stay in their homes as no where is safe in the gaza strip. Also the fact that consider almost half of gaza as a no-go zone where must one to go?

as the same as hamas called israel unsafe for israeli citizens would netanyahu evacuate most of israel? I would guess no. If netanyahu didnt evacuate israel is netanyahu using its citizen as human shield?
 

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Bullshit.

Here's google's satellite image of Gaza. Unless google is part of some zionist world conspiracy, there seems plenty of open space.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@31.4103564,34.4002066,56473m/data=!3m1!1e3

Instead of using it though, the fired rockets from behind hospitals (which was also their military HQ), from the yard of a church filled with people seeking shelter, stored weapons in a school building across a playground from another school building filled with people seeking shelter, built tunnels and stored weapons in a building labeled as a medical clinic, etc.
If you were a soldier you would last 12 seconds with that idiocy. Why don't you go to Gaza and pretend to assemble a mortar in wide open spaces.... I know you wish Hamas were retarded like you....but they are not. Maybe the IDF should also approach from open ground instead of approaching from allyways and close to cover of civilian buildings. Geez. Maybe you should write a book - how to get a posthumous purple heart.
 

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Hamas did say to stay in their homes as no where is safe in the gaza strip. ...
Again, google maps shows plenty of open land that Hamas could use if they chose to. Instead they used hospitals, schools, churches....

Meanwhile Israel uses clearly defined military facilities that aren't buried in downtown Tel Aviv or Haifa. As usual your attempted comparison is asinine.
 

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If you were a soldier you would last 12 seconds with that idiocy. ....
Oh I see. There is an exception to the Geneva Conventions for armies that are worried about losing.

Point pretty clearly is that Hamas:
a) shouldn't be pursuing a losing war,
b) intentionally put their own civilians at risk in trying to wipe out Israel.

There should be no excuses but people like you who call murdering random Jews "Justifiable Homicide" will always try to make up something.
 

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Again, google maps shows plenty of open land that Hamas could use if they chose to. Instead they used hospitals, schools, churches....

Meanwhile Israel uses clearly defined military facilities that aren't buried in downtown Tel Aviv or Haifa. As usual your attempted comparison is asinine.
israel did target downtown gaza you moron. no matter where them go entire building blocks are leveled. What caused for such justification?
 

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Again, google maps shows plenty of open land that Hamas could use if they chose to. Instead they used hospitals, schools, churches....

Meanwhile Israel uses clearly defined military facilities that aren't buried in downtown Tel Aviv or Haifa. As usual your attempted comparison is asinine.
israel did target downtown gaza you moron. no matter where them go entire building blocks are leveled. What caused for such justification? Oh thats right all they have to say is there "were" weaponry somewhere around there....
 

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israel did target downtown gaza you moron....
Because that is where Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PRC, PIJ, and all the other factions were attacking Israel from. If the Palestinian factions were following morals standards and not hiding amongst civilians, Israel would have attacked their infrastructure in the open.

And I'm so honoured you felt the need to respond to my post twice.
 

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Oh I see. There is an exception to the Geneva Conventions for armies that are worried about losing.

Point pretty clearly is that Hamas:
a) shouldn't be pursuing a losing war,
b) intentionally put their own civilians at risk in trying to wipe out Israel.

There should be no excuses but people like you who call murdering random Jews "Justifiable Homicide" will always try to make up something.
I suppose you have never seen all the footage of US solders situating themselves in civilian areas during urban combat. Ever seen footage from Vietnam where they fought in temples? I didn't call the act of murdering Jews justifiable homicide. Don't be idiotic. I said I would have used that term if I thought it was justified. Is english even your first language? Sheeh......!! Armys always pursue losing wars. If they didn't there would be no Jews left on the planet and we'd be speaking German. Israel puts it's own civilians at risk to fulfill the national aspiration of Jerusalem as the capital. So please stop perpetuating this nonsense. The whole forming of Israel put civilians at risk.
 

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No, actually, Hamas encouraged them to go to the rooftops of their homes.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...-on-defiant-hamas-as-conflict-enters-3rd-day/

It wasn't a safety measure. It was intended to be a show of resistance using human shields. Hamas told its followers that if they were killed, they would be martyrs.

The fact is Gazans shouldnt have the need to evacuate as they are being targeted in a measure of huge scale that entire city blocks are leveled. Same as when hamas called israel unsafe for israeli citizens would netanyahu tell its citizens to leave? My guess is no. Does that mean netanyahu is using them as human shields?
 

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Because that is where Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PRC, PIJ, and all the other factions were attacking Israel from. If the Palestinian factions were following morals standards and not hiding amongst civilians, Israel would have attacked their infrastructure in the open.

And I'm so honoured you felt the need to respond to my post twice.
Hiding? Or are they firing at convience? or is it because gaza is too crowded to even have a viable place to operate? Must i note 98% of the rural area are occupied either by a farmer or a villager, if hamas used a a farmers field to fire a rocket and idf killed the farmer is that considered using him as a human shield?
 

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The fact is Gazans shouldnt have the need to evacuate as they are being targeted in a measure of huge scale that entire city blocks are leveled. Same as when hamas called israel unsafe for israeli citizens would netanyahu tell its citizens to leave? My guess is no. Does that mean netanyahu is using them as human shields?
That's a ridiculous comparison.

I didn't say Hamas was guilty of not evacuating all of Gaza. I said it is guilty of encouraging people to stand on the roofs of specific locations that it knows are going to be bombed, and of using schools and hospitals as military bases.

Hamas wants civilian casualties among its own people, as it believes the increased number of dead can help sway world opinion.
 

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I suppose you have never seen all the footage of US solders situating themselves in civilian areas during urban combat. Ever seen footage from Vietnam where they fought in temples? I didn't call the act of murdering Jews justifiable homicide. Don't be idiotic. I said I would have used that term if I thought it was justified. Is english even your first language? Sheeh......!! Armys always pursue losing wars. If they didn't there would be no Jews left on the planet and we'd be speaking German. Israel puts it's own civilians at risk to fulfill the national aspiration of Jerusalem as the capital. So please stop perpetuating this nonsense. The whole forming of Israel put civilians at risk.
You really are pathetic. First you say killing random Jewish civilians is "justifiable homicide" and now instead of criticizing Hamas (etc.) for using civilian areas you criticize the people who try and fight them.

Yes, Hamas made the choice to base their military inside civilian areas, hospitals, and schools, intentionally putting civilians at risk.

Of course your whole pathetic line about Israel existence putting people at risk is just another place where y ou justify Arab hatreds instead of criticizing it. If it wasn't for that hatred, Israel would have been the tiny state in the Peel Commission plan. The ones putting civilians at risk are those hate filled assholes of Hamas etc. who feel justified in trying to destroy another country for racist reasons. Don't worry about criticizing that though.
 

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Hiding? Or are they firing at convience? or is it because gaza is too crowded to even have a viable place to operate? Must i note 98% of the rural area are occupied either by a farmer or a villager, if hamas used a a farmers field to fire a rocket and idf killed the farmer is that considered using him as a human shield?
Your justifications are getting more desperate. Hamas could have built their military infrastructure, headquarters, and weapon storage away from dense population but instead they intentionally use schools, hospitals, and churches.

Instead of hiding amidst civilians, the simpler way for Palestinian militants to keep themselves safe is to accept the concept of peace and give up their genocidal goals.
 

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Your justifications are getting more desperate. Hamas could have built their military infrastructure, headquarters, and weapon storage away from dense population but instead they intentionally use schools, hospitals, and churches.

Instead of hiding amidst civilians, the simpler way for Palestinian militants to keep themselves safe is to accept the concept of peace and give up their genocidal goals.
Sure, a great way for Israel to obtain peace would be to make a constructive offer and stop enlarging settlements as well, but they sure ain't doing that are they? As I said, there are extremists in Israel that are just as opposed to peace as Hamas. They are the same. Would you also expect Hamas to put a bulls eye on their military buildings? Do you really understand Israels military capabilities or are you as stupid as you sound?
 

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You really are pathetic. First you say killing random Jewish civilians is "justifiable homicide" and now instead of criticizing Hamas (etc.) for using civilian areas you criticize the people who try and fight them.

Yes, Hamas made the choice to base their military inside civilian areas, hospitals, and schools, intentionally putting civilians at risk.

Of course your whole pathetic line about Israel existence putting people at risk is just another place where y ou justify Arab hatreds instead of criticizing it. If it wasn't for that hatred, Israel would have been the tiny state in the Peel Commission plan. The ones putting civilians at risk are those hate filled assholes of Hamas etc. who feel justified in trying to destroy another country for racist reasons. Don't worry about criticizing that though.
Where did I say killing random Jewish civilians is justifiable homicide, clearly you cannot read. What a twit. In either case in a war civilians always get targeted. No war has ever been fought without violating the Geneva convention.
 
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