The grand jury is only supposed to decide if there is enough evidence to go to trial. The idiot prosecutor in the Michael Brown case got the description wrong of what a grand jury is supposed to do by saying they're supposed to figure out what's fact and fiction, which is what a jury does.
NYPD chokehold case
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Why? So the trail could go down in flames, you get a little theater, and then there's no way whatsoever that either cop could ever be prosecuted again?The grand jury is only supposed to decide if there is enough evidence to go to trial. The idiot prosecutor in the Michael Brown case got the description wrong of what a grand jury is supposed to do by saying they're supposed to figure out what's fact and fiction, which is what a jury does.
Yes, if the prosecutor pushed he could have gotten an indictment. It's a fucking dog shit case. The Brown case much more than the choke case, yes, but that's the truth: if you even CAN throw a grand jury case, it's enough of a dog shit case that you're fucked come trial time.
Do you know what double jeopardy is, yung_dood? Do you understand what that means in this context? Going to full trial makes it MORE likely the cops stay free, forever, than declining to prosecute them at this time, when the evidence sucks. Does this make any sense to you? Or are you just going to keep blathering emotionally-based bad decision-making logic over and over again?
Why do dumb asses resist arrest - do they think that's going to work? Cops, the world over, will increase intensity until you comply. I guess they could have tazed him, then we'd be reading about a guy tazed to death.Give it a few seconds, it'll kick in.
Go ahead, what were you saying?
How fat do you have to be to die from that, seriously?
It's fucking tragic, a guy is dead for no reason, he puts his hands behind his back and he's eating pizza with his kids tonight.
Do as you're told, boy, and you get to live! Gee. Why are those silly Negroes protesting and upset over something so simple and just plain right?Why do dumb asses resist arrest - do they think that's going to work? Cops, the world over, will increase intensity until you comply. I guess they could have tazed him, then we'd be reading about a guy tazed to death.
How fat do you have to be to die from that, seriously?
It's fucking tragic, a guy is dead for no reason, he puts his hands behind his back and he's eating pizza with his kids tonight.
So I'm not black, but about 4 months ago I did get detained for suspicion of Grand theft Auto by Toronto PD.
As I was standing outside my car, 5 Toronto PD cars came speeding up to me, (their lights and sirens on) blocking me. Before they got out of their cars, I backed away from my car and just drew my hands up to show that I wasn't holding anything. They asked me why I was trying to steal this car, (they were pointing to my car). When I informed them that this was my car they informed me that they got a call to this address saying that I was trying to steal a car. We were just talking and no one was shouting. After I was able to whip out my ipod and documents showing proof of ownership and registration they went after the person that made the call. THey just needed a few minutes to sort out the information they were provided.
As I was standing outside my car, 5 Toronto PD cars came speeding up to me, (their lights and sirens on) blocking me. Before they got out of their cars, I backed away from my car and just drew my hands up to show that I wasn't holding anything. They asked me why I was trying to steal this car, (they were pointing to my car). When I informed them that this was my car they informed me that they got a call to this address saying that I was trying to steal a car. We were just talking and no one was shouting. After I was able to whip out my ipod and documents showing proof of ownership and registration they went after the person that made the call. THey just needed a few minutes to sort out the information they were provided.
I agree that the Garner case was at best an example of poor Police work. He clearly wasn't the same potential threat as Brown -while both were obese, this guy is much older and obviously with one foot in the grave - and his resistance & provocation was several notches bellow those alleged of Brown and (seemingly supported by the forensic evidence).
I was very critical of the RCMP officers who tasered the middle aged, overweight Polish guy who was having a meltdown and seemed delirious from fatigue among other things. That was another example where more patience and discretion could have been used. Although it differs from the garner case in that the guy couldn't speak or understand English whereas Garner fully understood what was happening and chose to refuse very simple & clear instructions.
Garner did make a stupid choice to resist arrest however briefly & half-assed and is not without responsibility for his misfortune. However this is one case where they could have given him more time and chances come to his senses.
I was very critical of the RCMP officers who tasered the middle aged, overweight Polish guy who was having a meltdown and seemed delirious from fatigue among other things. That was another example where more patience and discretion could have been used. Although it differs from the garner case in that the guy couldn't speak or understand English whereas Garner fully understood what was happening and chose to refuse very simple & clear instructions.
Garner did make a stupid choice to resist arrest however briefly & half-assed and is not without responsibility for his misfortune. However this is one case where they could have given him more time and chances come to his senses.
I wouldn't put my hands behind my back for no reason, NYC cops have a history of targetting blacks and latinos just for being out in public. And resisting arrest does not warrant a death sentence by the banned practice of the choke hold. Stop cheerleading for tge pigs.Why do dumb asses resist arrest - do they think that's going to work? Cops, the world over, will increase intensity until you comply. I guess they could have tazed him, then we'd be reading about a guy tazed to death.
How fat do you have to be to die from that, seriously?
It's fucking tragic, a guy is dead for no reason, he puts his hands behind his back and he's eating pizza with his kids tonight.
What did Garner actually do to "resist" arrest?Garner did make a stupid choice to resist arrest however briefly & half-assed and is not without responsibility for his misfortune. However this is one case where they could have given him more time and chances come to his senses.
Increasing intensity for resisting arrest is all well and good, if the technique is appropriate. But it wasn't, there were other techniques that were more appropriate and should have been used. Not that I dislike law enforcement, but they are held to very different standards.Why do dumb asses resist arrest - do they think that's going to work? Cops, the world over, will increase intensity until you comply. I guess they could have tazed him, then we'd be reading about a guy tazed to death.
How fat do you have to be to die from that, seriously?
It's fucking tragic, a guy is dead for no reason, he puts his hands behind his back and he's eating pizza with his kids tonight.
Black ppl aren't the ones primarily part of car theft rings.So I'm not black, but about 4 months ago I did get detained for suspicion of Grand theft Auto by Toronto PD.
As I was standing outside my car, 5 Toronto PD cars came speeding up to me, (their lights and sirens on) blocking me. Before they got out of their cars, I backed away from my car and just drew my hands up to show that I wasn't holding anything. They asked me why I was trying to steal this car, (they were pointing to my car). When I informed them that this was my car they informed me that they got a call to this address saying that I was trying to steal a car. We were just talking and no one was shouting. After I was able to whip out my ipod and documents showing proof of ownership and registration they went after the person that made the call. THey just needed a few minutes to sort out the information they were provided.
Thats canada - currently - dont get it mixed up with the USA.So I'm not black, but about 4 months ago I did get detained for suspicion of Grand theft Auto by Toronto PD.
As I was standing outside my car, 5 Toronto PD cars came speeding up to me, (their lights and sirens on) blocking me. Before they got out of their cars, I backed away from my car and just drew my hands up to show that I wasn't holding anything. They asked me why I was trying to steal this car, (they were pointing to my car). When I informed them that this was my car they informed me that they got a call to this address saying that I was trying to steal a car. We were just talking and no one was shouting. After I was able to whip out my ipod and documents showing proof of ownership and registration they went after the person that made the call. THey just needed a few minutes to sort out the information they were provided.
Canada has its own forms of police violence, like grandma shoved to the ground in a pipleine protest.
http://www.upworthy.com/listen-up-canada-the-world-is-watching-and-they-saw-what-you-did?c=ufb1
or knocking over the disabled.
http://www.theprovince.com/Vancouve...an+ground+gets+suspension/10423298/story.html
I believe it was refusing to comply with the initial officer's instructions which were to turn around and put his hands behind his back.What did Garner actually do to "resist" arrest?
Nancy Grace is one of the biggest idiots on the airwaves right now. Believe me when I say using her as a voice of reason is a bad choice.Both the Ferguson case and the Eric Garner case should at the very least go to trial. Many legal experts and former prosecutors say that its very easy for any prosecutor to indict a ham sandwich.
Nancy Grace is a former prosecutor who claims that this particular prosecutor used the jury as his own personal tool instead of presenting them with the evidence
I understand what double jeopardy is but there is a lot of evidence in the form of eye witness testimony and an independent autopsy that works in favor of Michael Brown.Why? So the trail could go down in flames, you get a little theater, and then there's no way whatsoever that either cop could ever be prosecuted again?
Yes, if the prosecutor pushed he could have gotten an indictment. It's a fucking dog shit case. The Brown case much more than the choke case, yes, but that's the truth: if you even CAN throw a grand jury case, it's enough of a dog shit case that you're fucked come trial time.
Do you know what double jeopardy is, yung_dood? Do you understand what that means in this context? Going to full trial makes it MORE likely the cops stay free, forever, than declining to prosecute them at this time, when the evidence sucks. Does this make any sense to you? Or are you just going to keep blathering emotionally-based bad decision-making logic over and over again?
Also, the police did not follow protocol in dealing with Wilson. The first officer on scene did not take notes nor did anyone else take pictures of the scene. Wilson did not go to the hospital after the incident either. There is also evidence that Wilson and tbe first responding officer spoke to eachother on the phone to decide what was to be said in a statement.
As I said many legal experts as well as forensic specialists said Darren Wilson was helped out.
She is a former prosecutor though. This is her field of expertise.Nancy Grace is one of the biggest idiots on the airwaves right now. Believe me when I say using her as a voice of reason is a bad choice.
I know your being sarcastic, but that is actually the right answer, regardless of ethnicity.Do as you're told, boy, and you get to live! Gee. Why are those silly Negroes protesting and upset over something so simple and just plain right?
Enough said, let's hope you don't get stopped or your stupidity could end badly for you.I wouldn't put my hands behind my back for no reason, NYC cops have a history of targetting blacks and latinos just for being out in public. And resisting arrest does not warrant a death sentence by the banned practice of the choke hold. Stop cheerleading for tge pigs.
In fact he flailed his arms and yelled "don't touch me"... tragicI believe it was refusing to comply with the initial officer's instructions which were to turn around and put his hands behind his back.
