My (and your) next steps?

[rajbabba]

I suspect I am part of the majority: Married, kids, lack of sex at home led me to this hobby. Professional worker so if I get any kind of criminal conviction, I would not be able to ever do what I do now, which I really like doing.

So when I hear people say it will be fine and no need to worry, i get it but this is the kind of event that is a game changer and the shame/embarrasment of being convicted would be hell. If just my wife just found out about my hobby, that would not be so bad....job is fine, not everyone would know and I could maybe save my marriage or rebuild after that if she left me. But conviction is another ball game.

So my next steps are to lay low. Might just sit on the sidelines for a couple of months. But for now, the risk/reward is just not worth it for me. Will still be on TERB but just lurking to see what is happening.

What are you doing and why?

 

[wangbang]

I think this has been answered about 15 times by everybody in so many other threads.

 

[dirkd101]

You've about summed it up rajbabba. Each of us will have to do an assessment of how this affects us, personally and professionally and at what cost will this law have on both of these aspects of your life.

Laying low and seeing where the police and courts go with respect to this law is probably the most prudent thing one can do.

 

[Hard Idle]

One way to look at it is that you've been taking risks all along, There were probably many times you could have been charged under the old laws if LE had chosen to enforce them and if they took all the extraordinary measures to collect the evidence (bugging phones bugging the incall, getting a warrant to access your e-mails & borwsing data...). It's going to take a huge, massive enforcemnt campaign to significantly increase any one person's individual risk.

I have a hard time believing that just a month after a shooting spree at Parliament Hill, police forces in major cities would see fit to assign hundreds of police officers to play the equivalent of man-on-man defense with the entire hobbying population every day. But who knows?

 

[goalie000]

You know, I can see the Law being tested in some way by LE and Government early so they can get some idea of how it will play out in court. Then adjustments will be made. I just don't want to be that fist guinea pig!! LOL

 

[vwdub]

Nothing wrong with threads like this even though there may already exist similar threads.

The people on here who say "it will be fine" are definitely in the minority. Over the course of the past few months, in my hobbying, I have asked almost every SP from the experienced ones to the newbies their thoughts and experiences. They say just about every guy they see now brings this up. People are scared. The SP's know it too and are also scared and in addition, they are also experiencing a decline in customers. I am told that there is DEFINITELY a noticeable slowdown. In the meantime, I'm tipping over and above what I normally do to help partially compensate, especially if service is good.

Based on the number of agencies, ads, back page, MP's, SC's - there is a lot of supply out there. Girls want to do this as a way to help pay with school. There was a very recent news piece in the U.S. about a girl who felt she had to do porn to pay for her tuition. It's a famous case, look it up. Not equating the two, but there are similarities - many girls want to do this (we know this). What's going to happen is, with the drop off in John's... only the best will survive. A lot of up and comers, newbies, girls just wanting to give it a shot and may be a bit too shy to begin with and not give good service may leave the industry way sooner than under current rules. It will be very interesting to see, but clearly, things are destined to be changed permanently.

 

[legmann]

Small comfort now, but as with any other calamity, things will adjust to some new 'normal'; it won't be the same, but it may become at least something familiar, if not more predictable.

Far too much uncertainty and apprehension right now I think; I have a feeling next week might actually feel better, once we see there are not paddy wagons lining Yonge Street and the sky is not falling.

 

[vwdub]

I think most on here know that there will not be paddy wagons around town.

The concern is on how agencies may be unwound. Why can't a police officer pose as an innocent young SP trying to break into the world of escorting and go through the interview process with one of our beloved agencies, start work and then once any hint of either one of the other girls working in the condo is selling sex for money or if a guy comes in requesting sex for money - ARREST. ?

Can't this scenario happen? Once that happens - pretty sure agency goes away to avoid future problems.

 

[fuji]

I think most on here know that there will not be paddy wagons around town.

The concern is on how agencies may be unwound. Why can't a police officer pose as an innocent young SP trying to break into the world of escorting and go through the interview process with one of our beloved agencies, start work and then once any hint of either one of the other girls working in the condo is selling sex for money or if a guy comes in requesting sex for money - ARREST. ?

Can't this scenario happen? Once that happens - pretty sure agency goes away to avoid future problems.

Yes, it could, but there is an easier way for the police to bust an agency. Send an undercover posing as a customer to establish what is on offer, then stake it out and arrest everybody who comes out for a few hours. The case against those arrested clients will initially be pretty weak, but offer them all a deal -- swear in testimony about what is going on at the agency, in exchange for all charges dropped. They only need a couple of customers to take the deal and they can start building a pretty strong case against the agency. At some point they raid it. If any of the girls are found to have drugs in their purse (and honestly, pretty good chance) then offer them the same deal in exchange for dropping the drug charges.

They may not get it the first time around, but repeat that exercise a few times and the agency will either shut down in fear, or else they really will build a strong enough case to close it.

IF they want to. I don't think they will spend a lot of time doing this versus any random agency. But they might single one out to make an example out of it, and they might do this kind of thing if they hear rumours or complaints about any mistreatment of women, human trafficking, or whatever else actually gets their interest. Rather than pursue the actual trafficking charge or whatever it will probably be easier for them to "C36 the place".

 

[manofyourdreams]

Seems to be alot of fear going around about C36 and how it may affect clients dealing with Agencies. Alot of this fear is justified because let's face it the Agency owners are living off the avails, they know it and the cops know it. For Agencies it really is just a matter of time so stick with Indy's. Police will NOT waste their resources on going after clients of Indys because there is no one living off the avails. You don't have to stop hobbying you just have to be smarter about it. While C36 may seem to be about going after the clients it really is still about getting some controls on sex trafficking

 

[vwdub]

Yes, it could, but there is an easier way for the police to bust an agency. Send an undercover posing as a customer to establish what is on offer, then stake it out and arrest everybody who comes out for a few hours. The case against those arrested clients will initially be pretty weak, but offer them all a deal -- swear in testimony about what is going on at the agency, in exchange for all charges dropped. They only need a couple of customers to take the deal and they can start building a pretty strong case against the agency. At some point they raid it. If any of the girls are found to have drugs in their purse (and honestly, pretty good chance) then offer them the same deal in exchange for dropping the drug charges.

They may not get it the first time around, but repeat that exercise a few times and the agency will either shut down in fear, or else they really will build a strong enough case to close it.

IF they want to. I don't think they will spend a lot of time doing this versus any random agency. But they might single one out to make an example out of it, and they might do this kind of thing if they hear rumours or complaints about any mistreatment of women, human trafficking, or whatever else actually gets their interest. Rather than pursue the actual trafficking charge or whatever it will probably be easier for them to "C36 the place".

So, according to you and referencing your other post regarding sbs, they won't waste time on an agency in a high traffic areas downtown where they can stop multiple guys from using it and shut down an agency living off avails, but will charge a lone dude whose mean loose canno gf complains that she was paid for sex even though she agreed to it?

Agencies are at crazy risk. Way more than other scenarios.

 

[vwdub]

Seems to be alot of fear going around about C36 and how it may affect clients dealing with Agencies. Alot of this fear is justified because let's face it the Agency owners are living off the avails, they know it and the cops know it. For Agencies it really is just a matter of time so stick with Indy's. Police will NOT waste their resources on going after clients of Indys because there is no one living off the avails. You don't have to stop hobbying you just have to be smarter about it. While C36 may seem to be about going after the clients it really is still about getting some controls on sex trafficking

According to some, if the Indy gets upset and then goes to police and admits you both were in a deal to spend time for money, you are in trouble too.

 

[dirkd101]

Visiting agencies or MPs are high risk in this new world as "bawdy house" has been tweaked to work with the new law. This, by no means makes it any safer to visit a girl working out of her home or hotel room as these are places that fit the definition of bawdy house as well.

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

I think most on here know that there will not be paddy wagons around town.

The concern is on how agencies may be unwound. Why can't a police officer pose as an innocent young SP trying to break into the world of escorting and go through the interview process with one of our beloved agencies, start work and then once any hint of either one of the other girls working in the condo is selling sex for money or if a guy comes in requesting sex for money - ARREST. ?

Can't this scenario happen? Once that happens - pretty sure agency goes away to avoid future problems.

Would never happen. We meet ladies for an interview first,never mention anything sexual, request photo ID, then she comes for a photo shoot and basically if she is a cop she wont get naked because she is not allowed to get naked on the job and she would have to be wired for her safety so if she is a cop we would find out during the photo shoot and simply say " I am sorry but we can't hire you".

Thanks. Sexy Friends Toronto

 

[MPAsquared]

Visiting agencies or MPs are high risk in this new world as "bawdy house" has been tweaked to work with the new law. This, by no means makes it any safer to visit a girl working out of her home or hotel room as these are places that fit the definition of bawdy house as well.

There is no more bawdy house law hun. And no, mp's will not be an easy target. This has been discussed at great length in the massage section.

 

[vwdub]

Would never happen. We meet ladies for an interview first,never mention anything sexual, request photo ID, then she comes for a photo shoot and basically if she is a cop she wont get naked because she is not allowed to get naked on the job and she would have to be wired for her safety so if she is a cop we would find out during the photo shoot and simply say " I am sorry but we can't hire you".

Thanks. Sexy Friends Toronto

Well, that's your agency in your case. There are many agencies where the pictures are with clothes on. Also, if you are "just providing companionship", why is it a prerequisite for the girl to get naked. Seems like asking a cop pretending to be a wannabe sp to pose with a dildo in her pussy opens you up for questions and scrscrutiny.

 

[fuji]

There is no more bawdy house law hun. And no, mp's will not be an easy target. This has been discussed at great length in the massage section.

You keep misleading people. It will not be hard for police to target MP's at all IF they want to.

The only real question is what police will decide to do. They may decide to turn a blind eye in most cases, that is what the majority seem to predict. But who knows. And Even if most of the time they turn a blind eye they may make a few very public busts now and then just to put on a show that they are enforcing the law.

 

[D-Fens]

I'm gonna take a step back, lay low for a few months, and wait for the dust to settle. In that time I will be focusing on other things in my personal life anyway.

 

[SexyFriendsTO]

Well, that's your agency in your case. There are many agencies where the pictures are with clothes on. Also, if you are "just providing companionship", why is it a prerequisite for the girl to get naked. Seems like asking a cop pretending to be a wannabe sp to pose with a dildo in her pussy opens you up for questions and scrscrutiny.

Photo shoots are done in bra and panties. Nobody shoots ladies in a winter jacket and snow pants. What dildo in pussy? What are you talking about mate?You should read what I wrote first before posting.

 

[legmann]

there is an easier way for the police to bust an agency. Send an undercover posing as a customer to establish what is on offer, then stake it out and arrest everybody who comes out for a few hours.

I agree this is a reasonable and likely scenario, but how can police ascertain that anyone entering/leaving a building in which an agency incall might be located is indeed there to see an escort? Targeting a specific unit in which a known escort is operating is plausible; surveilling an entire building seems less so.

Thoughts?

if the Indy gets upset and then goes to police and admits you both were in a deal to spend time for money, you are in trouble too.

Entirely possible and a definite risk. Never underestimate what a spurned 'lover' might do, either on her own or if subpoenaed.

For Agencies it really is just a matter of time so stick with Indy's.

See above.